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how do i stop a viktor from dominating?

NorthTurtle11··1 votes·3,257 views

so I recently fought a viktor top while i was nasus. i never died to him in lane and couldn't get my health below half after i got mr but i could never kill him. he then got fed on everyone else on my team once both towers where gone and by the end of the game i had like over 200 mr but he had 939 ap and his e did at least 1/4 of my health. what do i need to do to stop him from completely walking over me and my team if i ever see one again?

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AwesomeChad1 votes

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so I recently fought a viktor top while i was nasus. i never died to him in lane and couldn't get my health below half after i got mr but i could never kill him. he then got fed on everyone else on my team once both towers where gone and by the end of the game i had like over 200 mr but he had 939 ap and his e did at least 1/4 of my health. what do i need to do to stop him from completely walking over me and my team if i ever see one again?

You should ask your jungler to gank top or ask for a lane swap with mid lane if that's a more favorable match-up for you. As nasus vs. viktor, you should let the minion wave push to your turret so you can safely farm. Otherwise, its tough to gap close to viktor since he can easily kite you.

MrPerson101 votes

He can't kite worth shit. He's very slow, has a terrible Ms boost and horribly small shield. If you avoid his W you can catch him without issue, and viktors rarely ever have spell vamp while Nasus has built-in decent sustain which becomes virtually unstoppable sustain with 500+ stacks and SV.

Let your minion wave push to your turret, farm safely to 200+ stacks, warn your team of MIAs, if he remains in lane simply bait his W, avoid it and W/E/Q him. with your Wither off, his MS is slowed immensely, E/Q cuts through his lack of armor then proceeds to do a ton of damage. Two of those combos costs you around 300 mana, and will either force him out of lane or kill him. Worse comes to worse, splitpush all game. By 600 stacks, you take down turrets in 2-3 hits and become a force to be reckoned with 1v1, so the opposing team will send 2-3 others to deal with you, leaving an easy team fight for your team.

Mayor Stubbs2 votes

Is this a joke? A nasus would never be able to come anywhere near viktor. If nasus tried to ever get close vik would just drop his stun on himself and run away once nasus was stunned.

MrPerson101 votes

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Is this a joke? A nasus would never be able to come anywhere near viktor. If nasus tried to ever get close vik would just drop his stun on himself and run away once nasus was stunned.

Guess you didn't read. Viktor's W has an insane CD on it in comparison to Nasus' CDs, and is usually overused by Viktors in order to avoid missing the E. Best case scenario, you bait it out. Worst case, you wait to get hit then engage. This is an incredibly easy lane for Nasus to scale with.

MrPerson101 votes

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Guess you didn't read. Viktor's W has an insane CD on it in comparison to Nasus' CDs, and is usually overused by Viktors in order to avoid missing the E. Best case scenario, you bait it out. Worst case, you wait to get hit then engage. This is an incredibly easy lane for Nasus to scale with.

Find me a viktor who can effectively run from a Nasus with item 3284 item 3078 item 3102 item 3065

Mayor Stubbs1 votes

Yea 35 mins later when Nasus can afford all that. good one.

MrPerson101 votes

In what world does it take 35 minutes to get swifties and Triforce? the Bveil is an obvious next, you should have it by the time the 20 minute mark hits at the latest.

Mayor Stubbs1 votes

You linked two more expensive items than just swifties and triforce.

MrPerson101 votes

Which you would have after triforce and swifties in this particular lane. Again, bait W, proceed with combo. L2read.

Mayor Stubbs1 votes

How would you bait w, you keep saying that. Viktor would never use his w unless you used wither first. Maybe in wood V nasus can beat vik in lane I'm the way you're imagining.

MrPerson101 votes

Let him push to turret, E, run up with your far superior movement speed - congrats, you've baited a snare and still have wither.

Mayor Stubbs1 votes

Sorry, Wither is the only way Nasus can have any hopes of reaching Viktor and it's cooldown practically matches Viktor's stun cd at 15 seconds. Unless you're against a braindead opponent Viktor will literally be able to avoid being within Nasus melee range 100% of the time. This is an easy matchup for vik. (With the exception being if Nasus were to ghost summoner/ go for an all in later game.)

MrPerson101 votes

I've literally never not taken Teleport/ghost as Nasus, and as I said, bait his W. You also seem to be forgetting that Nasus can easily still harass with E from under turret, which scales well off AP he gets from his core. Viktor rarely builds CDR, where Nasus nearly always has 40%. Remind me again how his Wither CDR is long?

Mayor Stubbs2 votes

I never said wither CD was particularly long, I said it's on par with Viktors stun cd which you claimed is "long"

Killer X 121 votes

As a Viktor player i dislike having a Nasus on the other team. A farmed Nasus can 2 shot a Viktor (like any other carry) so i'm very surprised you had an issue with Viktor late game. Him having more AP doesn't stop him from you being able to kill him. I have to assume you didn't build a tri force...for whatever reason.

Viktor Is deceptively immobile. His upgraded q gives him a really shitty shield and speed boost that only matters when he is against slow mages. Nasus, with his W, and speed from a tri force should have no issue catching and killing him. Viktor has his little slow field, but it has such a long CD he will only get it out once, and maybe twice in a team fight. If he throws it on you (the tank), then he is pretty fucked, and if he throws it on your carries, then you...as Nasus just walk up to him and kill him.

All that fails, you need to avoid fighting in the jungle. His skill shots become infinitely easier to hit in small spaces, and with his slow field pulling people to the center he can easily kill any non-tanks on your team all at once with his E and R. Key all your flanks warded and try to get a fight in the lane where he has to choose between peeling for himself or attacking your back line.

Also, Veigar is probably the best counter to Viktor.

Yaksha1 votes

You could always start playing ranged top laners

DrCyanide1 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1720275834/42592968?tab=overview

Speaking as a fed Viktor who went against a team with a stacked up Nasus... you kill my team.

Viktor is a teamfight oriented champion. If he's fed or willing to use his ult on a single target he can go 1v1, but if he's got three people fanning out and comming at him life's going to suck. Ultimately we lost because I couldn't be everywhere my team needed me to be (defending base + in the team fight). I'd destroy the enemy jungler, and I could take the Nasus head-to-head if he was alone, but with the enemy jungler and Nasus and the ADC there... I didn't have a chance unless they let me.

Something else to keep in mind, watch his CDR. A Viktor with a lot of CDR and a Lich Bane will devour squishy targets unfortunate enough to get close to him. If he doesn't have a lot of CDR, then you want to engage on him as fast as you can after he misses with his lazer. Don't give him breathing room.

PS: Note that Nasus didn't get the Bloodthirster until close to the time he tried to TP into our base and destroy our last turret. I dueled him 1v1 and won, but it was close. He would have won the game then had I not been there.

Centuros1 votes

Same thing you do against a Lissandra top.

Hell if I know what that is, though.

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