Why is Bronze sooooooooo annoying?!?!? I need HELP!

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scores don't show much tho. There are a lot of things that are going to show up in a score for 1 player: Dragons taken, baron, map pressure, stats for lane dominance (+/- cs difference), wards placed (while some sites have this), etc. Good scores alone aren't enough to win the game.

Having good farm is good, but this leads to Nasus-syndrome where you are so focused on farming that you ignore other aspects that are going to win you the game. By the time you actually group your 4 man squad is so behind that your team loses.

Another thing is simply throwing. Yea you can farm, but can you teamfight? Can you build right (this guys builds seem right)? When do you take dragon? Baron? There are a lot of areas that players don't focus on. Maybe your team is doing great, but you did baron at a terrible time and threw the match because of this and the other team was able to turn their deficit into a gain and even a win. We've all had those games where you are doing great. Games going your way and you throw at baron late and lose. This would show a lack of how to close a game which happens A LOT when you are low elo without faceroll/snowball heavy champs.

Things like this are why I'm hating going back through gold. There are many players i see that may be great mechanic players (for this elo) or can win their lane, but they don't know what it takes to close out games. Maybe they chase too much and therefore give the enemy a chance to come back instead of taking another tower or even getting an inhib. Maybe your team kills bot lane easy with jungler by drag and everyone just ignores it. So if I'm seeing these things in gold I'd bet they are amplified in bronze and silver.

TLDR: There is probably a reason this guy is still bronze, but its probably not about score related stats.

You mentioned a lot, so I will try to address everything according to my current knowledge of the game.

I don't think I focus on farm too much. When Dragon is pinged, I go. If someone is invading our jungle and someone pings, I go. If there is no objectives to get, that is when I farm. I group with my team when I feel it's beneficial to do so. For example, if my team wants to go all mid and all 5 enemy players aren't in view but the minions waves are pushing against our towers, I go farm and give some relief to our towers. I assume someone on their team is preparing to split push when they see an easy target like that. Likewise, if the enemy team is 2-3 levels above us and we have loss the last 3 team fights, I will not continue team fighting. I will go farm enough to get another useful item then try to fight again. The issue with Bronze is that people assume just because the whole team is there that you have a better opportunity to win the fight. Although in some situations that is true, however it can also result in an easy ace and throw.

I try to take Dragon before 8 mins, if the jungler or 2 other players are there to help me. If I'm Heim, I solo the dragons. Players in Bronze go for Baron at inopportune times a lot. I've been told that it's best to Baron when the lanes are pushing against the enemy or when their jungler and/or ADC is down.

If players are still chasing kills in Gold, I'm afraid to see what Silver looks like (if I ever get there.) Bronze is much worst than you can expect. They chase and chase and chase. They ignore minions, dragons, buffs, wards, and often develop tunnel vision on kills. For example, my last game. We had a great start. Had an early dragon at 7 mins. I had 3 kills early from a roam. Brand had 4-5 kills on Lux. I thought we had the game in the bag. However, what happens was people become cocky. The Brand who was fed early stopped farming/pushing lanes and started chasing kills. Once people got killed, they wanted revenge and instead of farming/getting gold, getting stronger, and then getting revenge, they would run directly back into the fight. The Lux who started at least 0/4, finished 11/5 with 183 cs. The Brand? Finished 5/15 with 79 cs. See what I mean about tunnel vision? Four people on the enemy team had 11 kills. Yes, everyone but the Support. I had the most with 12 kills and 2 deaths. When I unmuted my team towards the end of the game, they were actually upset I barely survived one of the fights, despite us losing 2 quick towers as a result of them dying. Mind you, I was in the most, if not every team fight. I just dodge a lot of skills and try to harass without taking free damage. I even used my E as Lucian to dodge one of Sejuani's ults when I was in the frontline. I don't think I should be responsible for the Nautilus on my team continuously not being able to land a hook that would have made some great fight engages several times.

In conclusion, you never really mentioned anything specific to me that I can take away from your post. A lot of what you said has value, but I'm not the typical Bronze player thanks to the Coaches I have had giving me A LOT of pointers. I've been told by my Coach that I play at a high Silver - Low Gold level. I just haven't managed to get out of Bronze due to past decisions I've made and my continued frustration with my teammates.

Maya Fey?

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Hey I was the Eve that kicked your team's ass the other day :^)

Are you talking to me or Left for Zed? Because I don't recall playing an Eve.

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I've tried to work Vayne into my play, but I don't trust playing her with many Bronze Supports. I'll give her another shot. I do understand her potential. I can play Support, but I often feel I'm wasting my potential if I'm not able to farm or kill someone. I've also tried Tryndamere, but I don't play him very well. My weakness is using melee champs, specifically against ranged champs.

with vayne, I was able to cs fine in a 1v2 lane while in bronze. I like vayne since she outscales and can melt tanks if needed. you can just farm until you have your items and you can end up fairly strong, which sounds like your style really. if you are playing someone like graves, it's better to play aggro early and make a lead.

even with vayne, I was getting kills fairly early on.

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http://youtu.be/mlHzcu4g0cY

Check out some of his videos he has some good advice. I think maybe getting out of ranked for a while might help a bit. I understand the frustration, my advice would be to encourage the team mates that are doing poorly we have all had bad games and got frustrated. The key I think is not rageing at them. Another suggestion is if you are doing well in a game people are more likely to follow your suggestions so try to point your team in the right direction.

Thank you for the video! I'm going to watch it in a few then see what other videos he has. You may be correct about getting out of ranked for awhile. I read on the boards recently that if you lose 3 in a row, you should take a break or play a different game or mode. I started trying this after I loss 4 in a row. My main issue is win streaks followed by 1-2 losses. Many of the losses result in me not qualifying from promos or going back to 50-60 LP, essentially requiring more wins and making climbing appear more daunting.

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My friend is diamond and told me how he passed gold.

If you're playing ADC and there's a huge minion wave top about to run into your tower and everyone else is mid, ignore top and go mid. ALWAYS (Except if you're Nasus, see below).

It sounds stupid, but you carry yourself out of elo hell by STICKING WITH YOUR TEAM. If you splitpush, they get 4v5'd and you lose. If you can get an ace mid, then push down an inhibitor, it's worth losing all that CS top (And sometimes you lose a tower).

Many bronze players don't know how to assess a fight. Many silver players (and gold players) don't know how to play a 4-1 splitpush. They just teamfight for no reason. So if you're top splitpushing and your team gets initiated on, your team WILL GO ALL-IN AND FIGHT A 4V5 because they're bad. I've sadly initiated plenty of 4v5 fights as Amumu (Bronze players also have bad map awareness, guilty as charged).

If you join your team and you get aced and enemy pushes an inhib and get 2 top towers, you were doomed from the get-go.

If you really belong in higher elo, stick with your team and show the enemy superior positioning and win the fight off that. So if both teams are mid and just dancing around, keep dancing until something happens. If everyone disperses, just go jungle or clear a lane or ward the jungle.

If your Tryndamere is clearing top while you're all mid, just disperse (NEVER FIGHT A 4V5). Retreat ping, etc.

Usually, low elo games aren't won off of mechanics, they're won off of "who has more players in the fight". Don't have less players.

If you really don't want to teamfight (seriously, they teamfight every 2 minutes), stick to Nasus . This dog will just Q-Farm all day and splitpush until you win. Remember to buy wards so you can teleport to them (and to see ganks) and continue the splitpush. Spend the extra 250 gold on the upgraded yellow trinket. Your team will die. You may even be 1v3'd and die (You should be able to handle a 1v2).

But hopefully, the enemy can only push down an inner turret while you're bashing their inhib turret. And by the time they retreat to defend their base, you'll die (and it's okay!), but they lost a tower, an inhibitor, and 2 members of their team.

99% chance the enemy will group up mid again, raring for a teamfight, and you just need to TP to a ward and eat the rest of their base while your team tastes the brutal agony of a 4v5.

After you get like 600 stacks, you can probably solo an inhib tower without minions (And your ult, with Triforce, etc).

tl;dr: Stick with your team at any cost, except if you're Nasus, then splitpush until you reach gold.

Thank you for the advice. I will get my lane tower and team fight for the rest of the game. I'll see how it works and assess my play.

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When you say "backdoor," are you implying not to team fight and just push towers?

Your win condition is destroying the Nexus... Nasus and Trynd are champions that can go 0/20/0 and still solo win the game.

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I feel your pain man. Most bronze players really haven't taken the time to learn what's important in LoL. They just want here the announcer shout "TRIPLE KILL" (nevermind the fact that its usually the opposing team getting the triple kill.) Only advice I can give you is find people you trust that you can duo with. As least then one of your teammates will always work together with you. If you want to try some norms sometime let me know.

I think the Kat on my team from the last game got a quadrakill, but we didn't even get a tower or Dragon from it. Definitely a missed opportunity. I have a few people I have duo'd with when I play ADC, but it hasn't went well. They say that duo queuing is harder than solo queuing. I'm not sure how true that is, however after I stopped duo'ing I won 6 games straight and my old duo support duo partner started Jungling and is now Bronze 1. Makes me feel like I was holding HIM back. Lmao!