As a support, I want to be able to stop Fiora
so easily destroying my carries. What tips can you give me?
NOTE: Thank you so much everyone! There are really a ton of helpful responses here. It feels good to be able to fire off a multitude of questions and have them all answered.
Zmuecat5 votesExhaust. Heals. Shields. Stuns. Sona's mini exhaust. Telling the ADC to stand further away from her so she can't QQ onto them. Knock ups. Knock backs. Slows (not as effective because of her dash) Wards and pinging. Whatever Lulus polymorph is considered. Mikaels (acts as a heal if needed). Telling them to buy Zhonyas (won't help with anything else) Buying Relic shield and aegis upgrade for more shields. Having your team do all of these. Twin Shadows for scouting when there's no enemies on the map (they go to the closest enemy champion).
Any combination of these work, sometimes all you need is one, sometimes you are screwed no matter what you do, but if you communicate well enough and utilize these, you should be able to handle a bunch of champions as a support.
Including Zed and Lee Sin.
Mr Slowdeath1 votesThank you! I have been trying a number of these things but I guess what I've got to go with is a support with heavier crowd control. The problem for me is Fiora's speed. Her Flash-ignite-ultimate combo is really fast and either I have trouble reacting or my ADC does. That would be okay if there was a solid way to interact with Fiora after her ultimate, but what you do after she gets going often doesn't matter at all. Does anyone know if standing right next to my ADC reduces or increases the overall damage Fiora deals when she has 
? Also, I feel like there's an armor trick and a Flash trick here. Fiora's first and last hit of her ultimate always hit the target of the ability, but does that mean she can't go "out of range" of that target?
Zmuecat2 votesIt doesn't, and as far as I know, the closer you are to it's center the more damage it does.
I take exhaust on... Well, almost everyone.
And you don't really need to play harder CC champions, it just helps to know how the other champion is playing. Fioras, I've noticed either blow their ult right away or do a couple of AAs and then use it. Most rarely alter their attack patterns, so if she is wrecking you, take note of how she's attacking. If she's waiting until she takes some damage, go ahead and hold onto your exhaust for a second, then use it. This should take care of a decent amount of damage.
That, combine with a form of healing or, preferably shields if she's using ignite, will reduce the chances of your ADC dying. If you are Lulu, this is easier in my opinion, because you can use her polymorph or exhaust, and if that fails, go ahead and ult your ADC and shield her with Pix.
You could also forgo the use of flash. I use it, but I can also drop it if need be for an extra summoner like heal. Flash is a GREAT summoner, but if you know how to play and are in the lower leagues of skill (like most) you can work around it. I however, don't recommend this every game, and it will be a judgement call on your part.
Mr Slowdeath1 votesThank you. The possibility of dropping Flash for Heal is one I didn't consider. I don't own Lulu or particularly enjoy playing her but her kit is as you mention, the bomb against Fiora.
To clarify about the Flash trick though, I meant, can I Flash myself away from my ADC after Fiora has ultied my ADC, carrying Fiora with me and effectively absorb 3 out of 5 hits? It's quite a feat, but if it's possible, it's something I'm willing to learn.
P.S. I know that Fiora's ultimate will have to choose me as random target number two.
Zmuecat1 votesI'm not 100% on this, but I do believe her that regardless she will at least appear next to her selected target, however if you are close enough she will switch between you and your ADC, splitting the damage (note there will still be some overlap if she has hydra).
Janna and Braum are good replacements imo because of their abilities. Janna has that amazing shield and the disengage after, Braum can give the ADC armor (stand with me), as well as CC after. Sona could work as well, but if you don't have her W passive charged and ready and can't land your ult in time, I'd be supplementing items moreso than the other two.
You can friend me or tell me what champion you love to use and I'll help out as best as I can, or until someone smarter than me comes along.
Mr Slowdeath1 votesMy favorites are Janna and Blitzcrank. The problem for Janna is ignite, unless my solution could be to get more AP for a stronger shield and heal. Blitz I think I would just be more proactive than reactive and hope my team is able to nuke or CC Fiora into submission after a grab.
Zmuecat2 votesBlitz I'd rely on trying to peel for your ADC and stop her from getting back to your ADC. Requires you to land your hook as a peel instead of an initiate, everything else comes down to items and summoners sadly. I'm by no means a super great at Blitz, but for him I'd get either/both 
, the shield won't prevent a lot, but if you can get Randuins off so she can't engage your carry, well that's better than anything else. You may have to rely on exhaust or your team for Blitz.
My Janna builds always have AP in them. 
alone is a must buy if you don't get it already, but I also bring in 
because I like to have a lot of speed on her. You could get 
and 
, but you'd be building a lot of AP and less defense (especially armor), so you'd be squishy as all hell, but if your carry can't survive with about 350ish shield, your team has screwed you.
Mr Slowdeath1 votesWhy do I always forget about Ardent Censer?! Thank you again, I'll have look at my AP options for Janna and see how they fare against dear Fiora.
TTUPhoenix1 votesStanding next to your ADC will not reduce the damage from Ravenous Hydra, but it WILL reduce the damage from her ult. She delivers 5 hits, the first and last of which always hit the original target. If you or other teammates are nearby, though, you'll soak some of the other three hits, reducing the damage.
Mr Slowdeath1 votesIs it significant though? I want to know if it's going to shave off say 400+ damage, or if it's better to just let my ally take the full brunt of the damage so I don't die as well or so I can be more useful in another way as opposed to my ally just dying to Fiora's dash once they make it through her ult. Will my armor reduce 's damage to my allies?
I'm more concerned about levels 2 and 3 of Fiora's ultimate.
Stephenizgod2 votesCC her then focus, nothing she can do about that if you are all outside her Ults range. This is the biggest way to counter her, stopping her while you are outside her ult range (which is decently small) and she will just stand there and die.
Wait for her to Q once then hard CC her, it will make sure she cant Q again.
Run away from her, she doesnt have a MS steroid without hitting something so if her Q is down or you are out of range then she is just a useless pile of health that can be kited.
Warding and good Map Awareness stop her from ganking you often.
Kind of weird but going invisible doesn't stop her ult but it does stop her from dealing damage to you.
She can still be effected by DoT's, AoE's, and any damage that got off before she ulted. I have been killed by old Wraith camp before while in my ult simply because their AA's went off before i ulted and hit me after i ulted.
Armor, specifically Thornmail, she tends to build Armor Pen so you need a lot to make a difference. Thornmail is really good against her, she is squishy so any extra damage she takes is helpful.
When her W (the parry) is up dont AA her.
Yulen Xoshxius2 votesShould we focus her over the enemy ADC?
Zmuecat5 votesAs support, you should always CC whatever is the biggest threat to your team in my opinion. If the other teams support is carrying, I will make sure they can't help their team.
If she's the biggest threat, CC her, but don't save everything you have if she's not engaging with her team right away, but keep something effective just for her pretty face.
Stephenizgod4 votesDepends on the situation obviously, Fiora is a really good Clean-Up champion and a great back line diver. If your team can hold off the ADC then sure focus her so she cant destroy you before she dies. If you can keep her from going in and you can actually get the ADC then focus the ADC. If they are both coming at you at the same time (as a support) i will CC whoever is attacking my ADC.
Mr Slowdeath2 votesDo you know if she takes damage from Sunfire Cape?
Leona is probably the best Thornmail support. Could Thornmail kill her in her ultimate?
Stephenizgod2 votesYes i believe it does, Fiora only takes damage the moment she strikes, so its not like she takes full damage from AoE. It nots a good idea to bet everything on Sunfire killing her. Im pretty sure Thornmail hurts her in her ult so yes i think it can kill her.
Also Jax can Dodge her Ult (super lame), I dont think Cleanse works but Zhonya's cancels it for sure (also super lame, it has a high CD), i know another Fiora can parry one strike lol, Im not sure about Pantheons passive but it might, and Spellshields will block 1 strike i think (it might only be Banshees im not sure),
ElementM1 votesI have but 1 answer
ElementM1 votesI have but one answer
Captain Aishi1 voteslast time i checked, QSS when fiora ulted me kept her ult animation going, but strikes stopped dealing damage
Mr Slowdeath1 votesI very much doubt that this works, and it probably shouldn't.
Captain Aishi2 votesit's because blade waltz "debuffs" the original target of the ult so fiora returns to it for the final strike
Mr Slowdeath1 votesI still don't think this works because it completely owns her ultimate if it does and Riot doesn't let things like that survive for long. But it would be very interesting if 
stopped even her last strike from happening.
Captain Aishi1 votesQSS completely negates zed and vlad ultimates as well though
Mr Slowdeath1 votesZed and Vlad's ultimates don't stop you from retreating, like Fiora's would. You can't react to QSS. It's too feelbad to be anything more than a bug.
TheDuelist9991 votessupport kayle
Mr Slowdeath1 votesUnfortunately support Kayle isn't going to help much against the rest of my opponents. I've tried it.