Building Frozen Heart AND Iceborn Gauntlet on Ryze?

LintOnYourPizza·2/18/2015, 4:30:14 AM·1 votes·1,986 views

My usual Ryze build for facing a FULL AD TEAM. = Tear, ROA, Sorc shoes, Frozen Heart, and WoTA. After this, would you recommend an Iceborn Gauntlet? The extra mana seems fantastic, and the extra armor seems like a plus. but I've heard that the more armor you build, the less effective it will become. So in that case, should I instead build a Void Staff? (Keep in mind, in this scenario, I'm against a full AD team. If they had an AP carry, I'd obviously build a Spirit Visage or Banshees over Iceborn.)

Thanks for reading, any and all advice is appreciated :)

3 Comments

DefenderOfFaith2/18/2015, 10:48:46 AM2 votes

I think even if your opponents don't build MR, most champions (Maokai was an exception among others) typically receive a little bit per level just for leveling up, and all receive a little for their base stats.

The void staff ignoring 35% of this is surprisingly effective, plus a solid 70 AP. The Iceborn gauntlet gives 30 AP, so 40 less, but has 500 mana. According to the wiki, his overload does 6.5% of his maximum mana, so 6.5% of 500 is 32.5. But according to the same wiki, it has a 40% AP scale, which means that extra 40 AP will only give you 16 extra damage.

If the team is all AD, and you have no tanks to shred, the iceborn gauntlet seems better.

But I'm going to say void staff because of the ordering you mentioned. If it is a last item, it assumes late game and this means you'll have a lot of AP already to "punch through" the base MR of champions. It will do at least as well. If someone builds an MR item, anyone at all, then even better.

There does come a time though when you want to decide that your crappy team has no tank and you just need a better engage and its a sorry state of things when its got to be Ryze, but then yeah - go grab your gauntlet.

BluePolarizer2/18/2015, 4:36:53 AM1 votes

depends on if you are the only tank.

Seppuku Lover2/18/2015, 4:37:34 AM1 votes

I've never played Ryze to any large extent, so I'm no expert on how to build him, but from my experience playing AP mid I would personally go Void Staff instead of Iceborn Gauntlet for the magic penetration, also the Void Staff costs much less gold and will be easier to obtain.