Thanks for advice, need more

K54·Aug 24, 2015·1 votes·890 views

Been brought to my attention that I have horrible warding, overall map awareness and positioning, especially when I'm winning lane (over extending) or in team fights (specifically at dragon/baron). So I'm curious, as far as needing a mid lane ranged APC, who's the safest to use mobility wise but can still put out a lot of damage in a team fight as well as burst 1v1 encounters, but can still escape when things go badly.

As of right now my list is just

so far the best option since I can blink away, her Shaco style passive and slow/root enemies with excessive pursuit like with her bind is my 2nd best option behind LeBlanc and 10x more useful in team fights due to her heavy CC and AoE spells, which also assists her escape (Glacial Path) is 3rd because she has to have her ult in order to escape and her only CC is charm which still pulls the enemy closer to her escape route for his blink and spell range

This preference is with team composition in mind. This playstyle isn't my normal option, but what I believe is necessary if we lack a pure tank, CC and AP against a fairly meta team. This allows me safely poke the other team with high magic damage without being countered by a freaking .

12 Comments

Chaotic SageAug 24, 20152 votes

I don't really have input here but I wanted to suggest a fun tool if you're looking to track your warding improvement. If you want to that is. http://wardscore.loltools.net/

K54Sep 4, 20151 votes

thx

YerroFeverAug 25, 20152 votes

No matter which champs you play, you still need good ward coverage because it helps with the game overall.

Don't pick champs with escapes in lieu of improving your ward coverage and map awareness. Continue to work on your map awareness and ward coverage.

K54Aug 25, 20151 votes

Voted best answer.

Møøn KnightSep 4, 20152 votes

The thing is. You have to be proficient in your skill uses and the more reliable damage output would be Ahri. Only 2 skill shots to hit. If you miss anything on LB your burst is cut significantly. Late game LB does burst well, But is less reliable unless you script and can hit every ability. Not to mention your low elo makes me believe that you are godlike with numbers, but not as strong in game. So sticking with reliable damage and clear is a better overall strat than late game burst. Which ahri still has, but is more reliable.

Møøn KnightAug 24, 20151 votes

I personally think in the current meta, ahri is your best bet. The Cd on your ult is short enough to where if your flash is down, you have your ult for escape. Only time you need to use your ult is when you are 100% sure about your burst. LB is still a little weak, AP ez is kinda dead, and Liss is slowly getting buffs but still pretty low in dmg reliability.

K54Aug 25, 20151 votes

Actually Leblanc has higher base damage than Ahri and better scaling for all of her abilities, so her combos are better both with and without ult. As far as combo damage with ult the priority order is Leblanc Ezreal Ahri Lissandra . Without ult it's Leblanc Ahri Ezreal . After you take scaling into consideration, then it's Ezreal Leblanc Ahri . So your statements about Leblanc and Ezreal are wrong.

VesperNadalAug 25, 20151 votes

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Actually has higher base damage than and better scaling for all of her abilities, so her combos are better both with and without ult. As far as combo damage with ult the priority order is . Without ult it's . After you take scaling into consideration, then it's . So your statements about and are wrong.

I don't recall LeBlanc scaling better than Ahri. And even if that were the case Ahri is a more versatile champion. Unlike Leblanc whose only purpose is to go around nuking squishies, Ahri actually has waveclear and has some crowd control built into her kit. And if you find yourself being outplayed by the enemy mid laner Ahri is more capable of being relevant come late game, LeBlanc is not.

K54Aug 25, 20151 votes

She does, but I can use LeBlanc just as well as I can use Ari, Ahri's only wave clear is her Q (140 base damage with 25% AP scaling both ways), which I can accomplish just as well with LeBlanc's W (her blink, 245% damage with 60% AP scaling). In respect's too let game, they're both assassin's and LeBlanc has way more burst, CC and damage. My love for Ahri is because she has better pursuit with her ult to finish off escaping champions, but I can accomplish the same thing by ulting LeBlanc's blink then using her QE combo for 590 base damage, after root her W and Q will be off CD so I can full burst again for another 555 base damage.

VesperNadalAug 25, 20151 votes

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She does, but I can use LeBlanc just as well as I can use Ari, Ahri's only wave clear is her Q (140 base damage with 25% AP scaling both ways), which I can accomplish just as well with LeBlanc's W (her blink, 245% damage with 60% AP scaling). In respect's too let game, they're both assassin's and LeBlanc has way more burst, CC and damage. My love for Ahri is because she has better pursuit with her ult to finish off escaping champions, but I can accomplish the same thing by ulting LeBlanc's blink then using her QE combo for 590 base damage, after root her W and Q will be off CD so I can full burst again for another 555 base damage.

"If you're using LeBlanc's W for wave clearing you're not playing her properly."

I have heard that from many LeBlanc mains as well as on nearly all of her mobafire and solomid guides when I was learning her 2 years ago. But there is one thing LeBlanc has over Ahri and that is sneakiness. LeBlanc can use a W+R combo From dragon pit in order to get into enemy red buff, drop a ward and get out. This will help you or your jungler counter jungle. And LeBlanc does have escapes. And if you're looking into a champion that is elusive you might as well put that elusiveness to good use by getting vision of their jungle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmzLeDWk-nA

Watch this if you want to learn an escape tactic. The "brushy brushy." The streamer is without a doubt a jerk but he's smart at using LeBlanc. Ahri is pretty popular, you can find probably hundreds of Ahri main streams.

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/leblanc-patience-summoner-188079#chapter6

That's the best guide I found on LeBlanc and it gives you insight into the mindset on how to play as LeBlanc. LeBlanc still doesn't scale very well into late game but she's all about setting people behind at the expense of her own.

And for general warding tips, buy a pink ward your first back. LeBlanc excels at killing her opponent early on and usually a LeBlanc will back upon getting said kill. Go back, buy your AP item, maybe a potion and a pin ward. Pink ward your jungle and wait on the enemy jungler to invade. Then go kill them. That 100 gold you spent has now been recouped. After a tower has fallen you can buy another ward, pink or green, and place it at whatever buff is closest to dragon in the enemy jungle. You could help with dragon but as LeBlanc you're best served by waiting in a bush near dragon, using vision to find the enemy lone wolf and eliminating them. Double points if it's the enemy jungler. If you kill or get the enemy jungler super low you just did more for securing dragon than you would have if you were actually at dragon. If the enemy mid laner starts to build MR items like Banshee veil or Spirit Visage you have done your job.

K54Aug 25, 20151 votes

Never thought about using her to help counter jungle. I still prefer late game LeBlanc over the others because she has the most burst. People forget that LeBlanc has to dedicate herself to the kill, but there isn't a single champ she can't burst, rather it's Alistar or Heimerdinger or Jinx . People forget that to maximize her damage you can't just poke, you need to detonate her Q and stay close when you use her E. Her CDs are so fast that You can QR for an instant 2151 damage in less than 1 second, then W for another 1175, then E for 901, by the time the root takes effect you can use another QW combo for 1423 more damage. Those numbers are numbers for a 621 AP dealing 5650 before taking magic resistance into consideration, but my build has 50 magic resist penetration after ignoring 41% of their magic resistance (including my runes and mysteries). item 3135 item 3151 item 3165 item 3157 item 3089 item 3020