What is the best mana item in a 6 item build?

ZaganJustice··2 votes·2,291 views

^Title I don't want to devote more than one slot to a mana item, be it mana or mana regen. I'm tired of going oom and having to back in the late game after a teamfight even when I'm full hp, just because I'm not a resource-less champion.

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Namquoron3 votes

This is subjective based on the champion and role you are playing in. Are you asking for mages, ranged carry, bruiser, tank, or what?

ZaganJustice1 votes

Mages in the mid lane or mages in the top lane.

ModAttysu The Poro1 votes

What kinda mage? Mages like Orianna need Tear, mages like Ahri need Morello, mages like Syndra need Chalice, mages like Annie need RoA.

BakedLotion1 votes

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What kinda mage? Mages like Orianna need Tear, mages like Ahri need Morello, mages like Syndra need Chalice, mages like Annie need RoA.

Wdf why would an orianna need tear. No cdr for her ult. Chalice solves all her mana problems. I spam a shit load of Q's and never run out of mana past 9. Never buy tear on ori unless its an AD assassin. Even then, morello is still better.

Also, RoA is a noobtrap on Annie just like it is on Singed. Don't buy it. Buy morello.

ModAttysu The Poro1 votes

I've built tear on Ori and it's worked just fine IMO, I think it's a pretty good item. Also, running Annie with RoA is really good, it works pretty well with her.

ZaganJustice1 votes

I kind of have to agree with Venni on RoA; the sustain and mild tank from catalyst seems too worth in lane. But maybe that's because I mainly see support annies, but w/e.

ZaganJustice1 votes

In lane I rush morello's on ahri and build chalice if I'm against magic dmg and I suspect the opp is competent enough to trade well. On malz, I go tear, sometimes RoA if my opp is really passive/waiting for ganks. I'm kinda between morello's and chalice atm; is chalice better in the late game for ahri if I'm finding myself blue starved?

UNSC2 votes

what champion are you playing? usually super high mana cost champs take tear, chalice, or roa (if they need tankiness). assassins like ahri usually take a morello

ZaganJustice1 votes

I play alot of ahri recently and I still go oom with both completed morello's and a chalice (I usually sell the chalice later). The thing is, my junglers get blue for like mumu and diana so I don't see the buff as often as I'd like, while going up against things like yasuo and malzahar (who always seems to get blue donations when I face one) and I get shoved out of lane. It's gotten to the point where I just all in the second I get chance just because I know I can't keep up with the sustained trading from all the attention I'm attracting.

Lightningfst1 votes

You should try asking your jg for next blue buff before it spawns. That way they will have it in mind to ping you to come take it in their jg route. Unless you are dying a lot, in which case they will probably not want to waste it.

ZaganJustice1 votes

I've had junglers who refuse to donate blue regardless of how I'm doing, saying things like "I'm behind, I need this," etc. Although, IMO, if they are behind, I don't want them keeping blue from a macro perspective since they are more likely to give it away than I am, whilst I (or top, if top is mana hungry and I'm not) am capable of pushing my advantage and maybe translating my lead to other lanes. I could even move on to help my jg ambush enemy at their blue.

1011001110002 votes

item 3174 In tune with the cdr it also gives item 3027 Health for increased survivability, increased mana pool is just harder to burn through in general item 3004 For AD Casters item 3110 Tanks who also want cdr

VenomousNecro1 votes

Depends on what champion. Tanks just use item 3110 . Also take the consume mastery since you get 6 mana back if you manage to get all the creeps in one wave.

3lue1 votes

What is the consume mastery? If it was a thing, it no longer exists.

ZaganJustice1 votes

it exists in the sup tree its right before biscuit

tseihei1 votes

I am surprised no one as mentioned item 3165. Although I rarely play mid, so I can't really give much insight into this.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

For mana regen, I generally always take Athene's. That bit of MR is waves better than the 20 AP and grievous wounds on Morrelo's I'm not really sure on just mana though, as the only champs that I play that really need just more mana are tanks (so Frozen heart and a RoA on my Naut)

Scræm1 votes

maybe a thought outside the box for you: perhaps a support whos willing to use summoner spell "clarity"summoner 13 or maybe you take clarity. theres always a way to make your champ work. good luck

ZaganJustice1 votes

its funny because i just had a discussion on oddone's chat about how clarity should b removed from the game, else reworked like heal was

Tyren1 votes

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maybe a thought outside the box for you: perhaps a support whos willing to use summoner spell "clarity"summoner 13 or maybe you take clarity. theres always a way to make your champ work. good luck

I had a Zilean support take clarity, He just kept putting bombs on the other team. It also helped a ton because the adc was spamming all of their skills. Heal and Clarity is almost a reset during a team fight. It worked but I was a little iffy about that clarity.

ZaganJustice1 votes

With supports, it's a no-brainer for me; always athene's.

xBushx1 votes

Personally I go Athene's on almost Every ranged AP....this is due to the CDR and the PASSIVE...it is GOD.

in a 5v5 it's Unlimited mana if you stay alive and continue to participate in the fight.

ZaganJustice1 votes

Yeah, after testing, this seems like the better choice for a 6 item Caster-type.

what you deserve1 votes

I've never seen the benefit to item 3174 over item 3165 . Usually the people I build these on are long range casters who shouldn't be taking damage anyway.

ZaganJustice1 votes

Morello's is really nice when I can use the passive (wounds), but when I get to 6 item late game, I actually care more about the mana regen, in which case I'd rather have the Athene's.

what you deserve1 votes

Morello's is usually my first item. Would you suggest switching it out by the end?

ZaganJustice1 votes

Yeah, pretty much, unless enemy team has a vlad, nunu, gragas, swain,or anything that is sustain based. But even then, if you aren't getting blue for w/e reason, then you still might want to swap it out (obviously once you've gotten the gold to complete it; don't sell your morello's for a partially completed item, like I've seen some people do).

what you deserve1 votes

Generally if a game goes on that far and I'm doing well enough to consider it, I'm sitting around with ~5k gold and full build + elixirs.

Mirage Seraph1 votes

This is a very arbitrary question.. Which champion are you playing? For example, if you're playing TF, the only mana item you need is item 3100 , but if you're playing Anivia you're probably gonna want item 3027 AND item 3040, and if you're playing Urgot or Jayce you're gonna be looking at item 3042.

If you're playing a champion that needs mana regen, obviously you have 2 choices. item 3174 or item 3165 . I typically don't play any champs that need mana regen outside of Anivia (who builds a lot of flat mana instead anyways). I think the general decision to make here is "how much do I want to spam my abilities?" and "Am I fighting a Swain?" Basically, both are good but one is better than the other in certain situations. Morello's higher ap and grievous wounds make it relevant in any match though, but I'm thinking Xerath and Sona and such would prefer Athenes.

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