Build Gunblade, not Will of the Ancients

K54·Sep 9, 2015·1 votes·1,465 views

Sorry for the original post being pure flame, making me look like a complete ass in hindsight. Didn't know I was coming off as trying to sound 31337 or pro. I am not, I am a B5 but I'm an expert analyst. I know I would get owned by high gold, diamond and challengers in game, but I would own them in strategizing on paper. Alas, here is my reasoning for my troll post bashing which I jokingly referred to as Wipe on the Ass.

gives you 80 ability power, 10% CD reduction and 15% spell vamp gives you 40 attack damage, 80 ability power, 10% life steal, 20% spell vamp

WOTA is all around an inferior item, because you're going to get your CD from and if you're building spell vamp, it probably means you plan on surviving trades long enough to use your abilities again anyway.

The absolute only positive about WOTA is the spell vamp applies before magic resist, meaning you get full heal even from an MR tank without doing the actual damage. Outside of this, WOTA is completely useless.

Now let's talk about and why it's superior in every aspect, making WotA an item that shouldn't ever be built.

1st let's cover the active that deals 150 plus 40% of your ability power in magic damage and slows the champion by 40% for 2 seconds. This alone is more than a reason to never build a WotA. Mobile champs are pretty popular and this stop escapes plus secures kills. I've had low health champs flash away and killed them with the damage from the active under their turret and didn't even take a turret blast (the active has excellent range).

Then we get to the fact that it has the 40 AD with 10% life steal, every champ AAs and that little bit of life steal can be the difference between you being slain and you leaving the engagement with 40 health.

Then you get the which makes your life steal 12% and my spell vamp 24%. If you're using a mêlée AP (1 champ that I personally do this with is ) is building a after my . Effectively making my life steal 22% and my spell vamp 34% (or 41.2% if I'm using my SV quints).

Honestly, is no more effective than , so any champ you thought about building a WotA for, build the , finish your build, then upgrade the HR to

The one and only champ I can see that has a usage for is because the healing ignores MR which makes invincible , but if you're using any champ except , is the way to go.

On paper, I still think rushing HR would be more beneficial to Vlad, then building it into GB late game, but I can't say for sure because I haven't tried it. I'll come back to this post when I do because I think GB's active would allow me to get close to and kill an ADC in a team fight.

14 Comments

Nick ValentineSep 9, 20153 votes

I did read your first post lol.

Anyway,

WOTA is almost 1k cheaper than Gunblade. That's why. When you need spell vamp as your first item, you need it fast and 1k gold is not that easy to come by without kills. Gunblade is absolutely far more cost efficient but it is still that extra 900 gold.

Not to mention WOTA allows you to prioritize item 3108 during a second backing. Gunblade forces you to buy the full upgrade on almost everyone because the base stats of cutlass are wasted.

In cases like Vladimir you want as much as you can, as fast as you can so WOTA is a far more favorable choice. I do agree if everyone is nearing full build and you have some extra CDR from other items, you can consider selling WOTA for Gunblade purely for the stats. But the build path/early cost is why many champions build WOTA.

Building gunblade first is like telling a dps mage to buy item 3116 as their first item, especially over something like item 3165 . You know, while you're farming with Rylai the enemy has come back with tons of extra AP and they just are gonna be so much stronger than you for so long.

K54Sep 9, 20151 votes

item 3146 is 3400 item 3152 is 2500

These are both a waste of money in my eyes early game as Vladimir

Which I why I specifically said I build a item 3145 (1300 gold cheaper than item 3152 at 1200 gold) then finish the rest of my build. The 40 ap 12% sv is all I've ever needed when I used Vladimir

So after I build the HR, I keep it until I completely finish the rest of my build then I'd come back to it and finish it as item 3152 , but in hindsight, I think item 3146 would have been the better item. I'll let you know for sure when pick order lets me know I can safely use Vlad again.

junglerboy16Sep 10, 20152 votes

WotA is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper, it's spell vamp disregards MR (MUCH better for tanky champs who don't build much Mpen or when facing a tanky opponent), and half the time, the extra gold you sink into Gunblade are for wasted stats (AD and Lifesteal, which only Akali and Morde really make any use of regularly).

If it works for you, that's great, but I doubt it is really quite as effective as you think it is.

K54Sep 10, 20151 votes

I've tried it on every champ except Vladimir and it's more effective. To reiterate for like the 5th time, you only build the item 3145 , build your other 5 items, then come back and complete it as item 3146 . With certain champs Akali Ekko Jax Katarina Fizz I can build it outright, combined with item 3100 or item 3124 I can go full tank. These were all experimental builds, tried 3 or 4 matches each regular before being tried 2 or 3 times in ranked and were always effective when making bruisers. But I don't use these builds regularly, just when a troll teammate who picks a champ like Darius MonkeyKing Sejuani Nautilus that makes everybody assume they're going tank then go freaking glass cannon and screw the team.

SadBoyRhymesSep 10, 20152 votes

Is Talon Wukong reallife?

TotN TitanSep 9, 20151 votes

An expert analyst?

So from what I am gathering from post, your build for Ekko is Gunblade, Spirit Visage, Zhonya's Hourglass, Guardian Angel, and Rageblade? Everything about this screams troll, even though you have all those numbers behind it.

Good luck on your climb.

K54Sep 9, 20151 votes

Ekko 1st item item 3146 2nd item is item 3068 or item 3065 depending on my lane opponent being AD or AP (if I'm jungling, it's based off their team comp or biggest threat) 4th item can be item 3083 item 3001 item 3157 5th item is item 3124 or item 3026 6th item (I buy my item 1001 early) but I finish them last being either item 3047 or item 3111

The build takes enemy team into consideration and this is only if I'm building tank Ekko because my team lacks tankiness, with this build I can engage 1st, absorb damage, possibly get a pentakill and leave a team fight with damned near full health with my ult up.

I don't even use life steal/spellvamp or tank build if there's already a tank or 2 on our team, then I can go full 650 AP glass cannon instaburst Ekko, which makes my 1st item item 3100 followed by item 3157 and item 3020 then finish with item 3165 item 3135 item 3089

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 11, 20151 votes

Talon Wukong duoQ with me

K54Sep 12, 20151 votes

I'm greatly appreciative of this request, but I'd disappoint you. My knowledge of the game isn't reflected in my gameplay. I preach not turret diving at early levels all the time, but sometimes my greed gets the better of me, then my team rages cause I didn't realize Tryndamere just hit level 6 or Vladimir has heal as a summoner spell.

Even moments when I start taunting and dancing mid lane because I'm owning, then get my face slapped off by a ganking jungler.

I'm awesome when I pay attention though lol

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 12, 20151 votes

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I'm greatly appreciative of this request, but I'd disappoint you. My knowledge of the game isn't reflected in my gameplay. I preach not turret diving at early levels all the time, but sometimes my greed gets the better of me, then my team rages cause I didn't realize Tryndamere just hit level 6 or Vladimir has heal as a summoner spell.

Even moments when I start taunting and dancing mid lane because I'm owning, then get my face slapped off by a ganking jungler.

I'm awesome when I pay attention though lol

I don't care about skill, i just want to duo with you because we both have similar playstyles and we both play Wukong

BTW imo not all turret diving is bad. If you're an assassin it's probably good because a kill on an assassin is usually worth more to the team than a kill on a tank or support is to the other team

K54Sep 12, 20151 votes

Well I'll be on in about 2 hours

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 12, 20151 votes

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Well I'll be on in about 2 hours

i won't though. im just on the forums while im doing hw

RenailleSep 12, 20151 votes

Literally no reason to build gunblade on champions that aren't jax, akali or mordekaiser. Vlad wants the cdr, cheaper cost and the healing to not be reduced by mr and is the only viable user of wota.

K54Sep 12, 20151 votes

Gunblade is better for AP tanks check my ranked match history with Ekko
You'll notice it's 10 fold better than glass cannon