People who give up and surrender in Ranked.

Lunathil·Jun 17, 2015·36 votes·8,144 views

People who just go like, "GG" when First Blood happens. People who constantly try to persuade the team to surrender. There's no reason to give up or surrender in ranked. There's always a chance to win games. One late game Ace wins you the game. If you have the mentality of just giving up because oh whatever LB got First Blood or something, you shouldn't even be playing ranked.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1858882384/210046661?tab=overview

What happened in this game was that the we had a Master Yi who fed 3 kills to Tryndamere by 10 minutes. A dual mid with Vayne and Akali. Me soloing bot lane with Leona. They had a 7500 gold lead at one point in the game. We were 4 drags behind. But we still won the game by grouping in the end and playing well, ending it 38-29 even. Even trolls want to win.

Don't just give up and be a downer to your entire team. A single mistake from the other team can make the difference between winning and losing.

EDIT: This certainly shouldn't be taken completely literal. There's those 50-5, 4 turrets down games that is definitely a waste of time no matter what.

63 Comments

Painted CeltJun 17, 201523 votes

It's just as frustrating if not more when you are winning but there's that one feeding guy who keeps starting a surrender vote every time he dies... It's even more frustrating when the rest of the team actually agrees to the surrender.

[Blue team surrender has failed with 2/5 votes.] Caitlyn : "OMG stop wasting my time and vote yes to the ff" Malzahar : "No, we're up 5 turrets, an inhibitor, 2 dragons, and tied on kills. Just pull yourself together" Caitlyn : "ff or I afk" [Blue team has agreed to a surrender with 4/5 votes.] : "WTF?!" Sion : "Dude, he was gonna afk. We had no choice." : "..."

Vistha KaiJun 17, 20156 votes

Saying "Never surrender, because there is microscopic chance to win" is even more foolish than saying "GG" after First Blood.

I could judge many games even by tunneling only on one lane. There are games you can be 0/5 and the other dude can be 5/0, but you know once it will come down to teamfights that dude will be as good as AFK. I would never surrender a game like this.

But now imagine I'd have one or two flamers and/or on top of that another lane/jungler losing. If you don't want to surrender a game like this you are basically expecting a miracle to happen.

B1naryB0tJun 18, 20153 votes

If the team doesn't wanna win, you're not gonna win.

Vistha KaiJun 18, 20152 votes

^ That's basically TL;DR of my comment.

NMLd7sCNweJun 17, 20155 votes

Yeah that can be true but never surrendering is also good. You have to understand when a game is lost, if your team is 2-18 by 20 minutes dont just try and rely on a late game teamfight every time

ZergReapJun 17, 20155 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1775683272/205344811?tab=overview

4-27 in kills and 0-4 in towers @ 20 mins and no one even started a ff vote, let alone typed a sentence about everyone feeding. I loved it.

HappyHazard07Jun 17, 20151 votes

I really hope you got an S+ for that game... you must have played out of your mind with only 3 deaths with 21 kills.

ZergReapJun 17, 20151 votes

haha ty it was actually a while ago before they added that :P. I always refer back to that game when losing and it's a good example of why not to yell at your team for feeding. Like I said we were losing really bad, but no one was typing at all just pinging and doing their best.

NarasimhaJun 17, 20151 votes

I'm genuinely surprised. I try not to give up, but 4-27 would break even my spirit. What happened there? It looks like you guys won a late game team fight and pulled it back from there. Which I guess makes sense with their comp, but still, what are the details?

ZergReapJun 17, 20152 votes

sorry about late reply. Well I had a good start in lane and I was duo with the Annie. He was feeding the fizz, but we worked together and he had good ults in team fights. They were cocky and we got a bunch of free 3v1s and free kills from tower dives. After a bit I was really fed we won a team fight got baron etc. We just started winning even though we were behind. Better team work combined with their complacency basically.

Damorion215Jun 17, 20151 votes

If I were in that game, I might have. Reason being, not that trusting in people anymore. Luckily for you, you had patient saints on your team.

XavkulJun 17, 20153 votes

Ehh, I'm both minded. I rarely call the surrender vote, but if a ahri is fed by 10 kills before 15 mark, I'm surrendering. Even if we do win, its not a fun win. Now if my team doesn't agree with me. I'll drop it and keep playing.

Juggernaut NJun 17, 20153 votes

Bro, comeback wins are the ones that feel the best.

MorsigilJun 17, 20154 votes

Nah man. Ahri is fed 10 kills? Okay. Kill her and all of that means nothing.

SilmarilJun 18, 20151 votes

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Ehh, I'm both minded. I rarely call the surrender vote, but if a ahri is fed by 10 kills before 15 mark, I'm surrendering. Even if we do win, its not a fun win. Now if my team doesn't agree with me. I'll drop it and keep playing.

One person being fed usually doesn't mean much. I once had a game where the Leblanc on the other team got fed. Like ridiculous amounts of fed, to the tune of being 2-3 completed items ahead of anyone else. I was Singed and rushed a Banshee's Veil first item with Merc Treads on top, and she straight up 100-0'd me by herself through the spellshield, that's how obscenely huge she got. However, the rest of their team wasn't doing so hot for whatever reason and eventually her lead fell off and she wasn't able to contribute very well, leading to a hard fought victory (with a couple failed surrender votes thrown in). We won because one person, unless they are basically smurfing several divisions below them, can't solo carry a team, even down here in Silver where teamwork is generally spotty and unreliable.

Now if they're stomping in 2-3 lanes at once, that's when you pack it in. One person getting ahead can be dealt with fairly easily if the rest of their team isn't keeping up, maybe two in some situations. Any more than that, except in extreme circumstances (like DC's/intentional feeders), and you're highly unlikely to turn it around.

COWmanLordJun 17, 20153 votes

The thing I hate is when there is that 1 guy who gives up at champ select. That same guy then proceeds to feed and continue spouting about how we were doomed from the start no matter how well anyone else is doing. That kind of player just drags the team down and makes everyone play worse.

Here is an example of game that shows that there is no such thing as an uncarryable team mate.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1856332807/200890543?tab=overview

You can easily win any game with just a couple fed players. Have 1 person able to hard peel and 1 able to do damage and that can easily be everything you need.

Mandang0Jun 17, 20153 votes

The question of whether to surrender isn't black and white, regardless of what game mode you're playing. Sometimes people will surrender games they shouldn't have, but sometimes people will refuse surrender votes they shouldn't have too.

The biggest point for me is whether I think my team can change how they're playing (because playing the exact same way and hoping for a different outcome is foolish). When I don't think they can, I put up the surrender vote. I know some players like counting on the other team handing you the win, but I'm not one of them.

Damorion215Jun 17, 20151 votes

Exactly. Unfortunately for me, I have to put it up too often because my teammates really don't know what they're doing. And them refusing to surrender when it's a Garen -teed loss infuriates me. And this isn't even in ranked. I don't ranked often because I'm not really practicing enough, so I'm not confident with myself nor am I confident in the "teammates" I'll be getting. I'm not the kind of guy who wastes time on a lost game. But apparently, that wins me the QQ award.

TreebornfroggerJun 17, 20153 votes

If you're low elo, don't frigging surrender ever. If you're higher elo, surrendering can be justified.

Aluminum KiwiJun 17, 20152 votes

Winning all game then everyone has a few mistakes which throws the game but even though my team is ahead in gold and up in turrets people spam surrender vote saying game is already thrown and over, flame, threaten to rage quit, and blame. :(

PBnJellyJun 17, 20152 votes

In the words of The Great Scarra, "All games are winnable, but not all games are worth winning."

If by 20 minutes, the score is something like 30-5, and the enemy team has already taken an inhib while you have none of their towers (I have had many games like this), I'm not gonna wait another 30 minutes for a chance to win that game.

It's incredibly rare that I afk, but I have had a couple times where something like this happens and my team refuses to surrender multiple times and I decide that the frustration I get from the game is super bad for my health so I just leave (I warn them before starting the vote).

Even if you win that one game, it takes up the time you couldve played another 2 that weren't so frustrating and anti-fun to play. Then if you lose anyway it just makes it so much worse.

LunathilJun 17, 20151 votes

Well that's only if you link your enjoyment to wins, then I can see why you would want to surrender, but losses and wins are both just games where you improve your own skill.

PBnJellyJun 18, 20151 votes

I'm fine with losing a game. I'm not fine with sitting in my base for 20 minutes while the enemy team just kills anyone who takes two steps outside to try to ward/get objective control. I don't want to sit around and wait for the enemy team to throw, because it's boring and you don't improve at all from it.

LunathilJun 18, 20151 votes

Hm, well if a team is so far behind to the point of like 50-5 then definitely fine to surrender. :P But usually what I see in ranked is just that people give up so easily. A 24-12 game is not a loss but then most people just flame and flame like they already lost and give up. I don't care about surrendering in Normals, but for Ranked, there's no risk on not surrendering, as it's better to have a chance to gain LP then a definite loss of LP.

PBnJellyJun 18, 20151 votes

Yeah, usually something like 24-12 is definitely recoverable, although there's another thing you have to consider, which is if your teammates played poorly in lane it's unlikely that they'll magically improve afterwards. If a lane lost because of ganks, then it's different, but if multiple lanes lost straight up 1v1 (and I don't mean just 1 death) then that's different because they aren't suddenly gonna play better than the person who outplayed them in lane.

Also remember that everything isn't about kills. If the game is 24-12, but your team has near even towers and a 3 drag advantage, that game should be an easy win if you stall it out for a bit.

I understand that games can be recoverable, but there's nothing I hate more in this game than people who NEVER surrender because of scenarios that I mentioned in my previous post. There aren't many games that you should surrender, but there are definitely some.

LunathilJun 19, 20151 votes

Well I know that about kills, but usually the team ahead has more towers, etc, so it's just a very shallow example. :P As in the original post, I certainly don't mean like, NEVER EVER EVER surrender. xD More of a figure of speech.

PBnJellyJun 19, 20151 votes

Yeah, but some people take it completely seriously...

LunathilJun 19, 20151 votes

Yeah noticed. Put the edit in.

munkeefaceJun 18, 20152 votes

OK, now the people who say never quit are the same people who don't understand odds. If you are down and getting a super beating, the odds are that your team will lose. NOW there is a chance you may win, this is the same reason that GAMBLING exists. The chances are small. Many people who at 20 min with a 15 kill and 1 inhib deficit see it as time to cut their losses (their investment being time and enjoyment). This same practice is done in the military, in buiseness and in most peoples life. Sometimes it is just better to toss up a loss and and start over. if your team keeps passing surrender votes 3 yes to 2 no that means that most of the people on your team want to start another game. This turns the 2 people who "NEVA SERRENDA!!!" into tools who are actually ruining the fun of the majority of their team. When playing unranked games teh 2 guys that wont surrender are quite often the guys who are not being team players and contributing significantly to the teams loss. there is nothing wrong with surrendering and starting a new game if most of the team doesnt want to play. I have played out many obvious losses and never had a surrender vote pop up. we lost but we still had fun, I have also played many more games that were not surrenered (3 to 2), went 50 minutes to an hour and were still lost. The diffenence is that the long drawn out loss was misery. 3 of the 5 wanted to start a new game but the other 2 just brought them down and drug out the loss. There is nothing wrong with surrendering to a better team. Very few people actually improve there game because of a long drawn out loss. Most people just want to play and have fun. you will improve more if you enjoy what you are doing, when the surrender vote pops it, it means people are not having fun.

Faith BreakerJun 19, 20151 votes

Be careful with your opinions, if you share the wrong ones the White Knights of the Internet's Royal Army will descend upon you.

Solari FortuneJun 18, 20152 votes

My Motto for every game is "Never surrender until a Nexus explodes" Unless of course the game is like 0-50 at 5 min cause reasons and the enemy team are just being totally BM

Faith BreakerJun 17, 20151 votes

I wonder if you still woulda made this post and message if you lost that game? Doesn't seem like you are sourcing your advice properly.

LunathilJun 17, 20154 votes

Losing that game doesn't disprove the fact, whereas winning proves the fact.

Faith BreakerJun 17, 20151 votes

How do you support or back up that logic? That's playground logic.

Malzahard ModeJun 17, 20152 votes

If he lost a game he was already behind in, there's no surprise there. If he was likely to lose the game, surrendering the game just guarantees the loss. If he knows he's behind but refuses to give up, there's a chance he will win because he is still playing the game. You lose 100% (well 99% because of enemy troll surrender going through) of the games you surrender, if you don't surrender, you don't know who the victor will be until a nexus explodes.

Faith BreakerJun 19, 20151 votes

There are games that you will lose 100% of the time, games that nothing you or your team can do will help. Your entire team can never fight or argue once stick together group ward coordiate and that team will have lost that game in a hundred thousand different realities. Some games cannot be won , period. Some one here said something to the contrary. But I wonder how many ppl will come and be social activists and argue with fact.

Malzahard ModeJun 19, 20151 votes

Sure you can, it isn't PROBABLE that you can win some games, but it is always POSSIBLE. You could be getting absolutely stomped in a game by a team with a 4man premade having a LAN party, and then their power goes out, suddenly a 1 v 5 and you win. It is that likely to happen? No. Is it possible? yes. I've had games that my team should not have won, but if the other makes mistakes (and when they are that far ahead they often will), any game is possible to win.

Faith BreakerJun 20, 20151 votes

And when you reverse the roles the power going out creates a 100% loss for you that you had 0% chance to win. You propose a metaphor and within your own reasoning provide counter logic then you present all of this as unarguable fact. You are not only wrong, you are oblivious to the extent of how wrong you are. That's just rood.

Malzahard ModeJun 20, 20151 votes

Even in the reverse situation of a 1 v 5, its still possible to win. Again it is highly IMPROBABLE that you will win, but it is not impossible. The only way you are definitely going to lose no matter what, is if you and your team surrender and the other team does not surrenders. Are the going to be games that look absolutely hopeless? Yes. Are there going to be matches that you don't want to play any longer? Yes. Are there going to be games where you team is incredibly far behind because it has been a 3 v 5 for most of the game? Yes. Is it impossible to win in any of those scenarios? No.

The whole point of the original post was to show that even in a LOSING situation, he and his team refused to surrender, and won the match. If they had surrendered they would have lost by default, but by playing it through until the end, they found a way to win, and it is POSSIBLE to do that in EVERY GAME OF LEAGUE OF LEGENDS. It won't always be PROBABLE that you will, but it is POSSIBLE.

Faith BreakerJun 21, 20151 votes

The other 4 people on your team surrender to one of these games you could have win. You can't win a game your team surrenders. Keep trying but you're wrong and you need to accept that.

Malzahard ModeJun 21, 20151 votes

Except for the fact that i literally said

The only way you are definitely going to lose no matter what, is if you and your team surrenders and the other team does not surrender.

Any game that is not surrendered CAN be won. That is what i'm saying, and that is not an incorrect statement.

Faith BreakerJun 22, 20151 votes

You've now worded the notion to a point that I can accept and agree with.

LunathilJun 17, 20153 votes

LOL. That's super basic logic. OP says that there's a chance to win no matter what. Original game was, by normal standards, a game with trolls and feeders. The normal person would undoubtedly say it's a loss; but, we won, which proves the fact that all games, have a chance to turn around. If I lost that game though, it does not prove that all games such as those is a definite loss. To prove "no" you need to know everything, but to prove "yes" you only need one instance.

SMH, think before you post.

ChocolateMeatJun 18, 20151 votes

Sometimes a surrender is honorable. Like the enemy teams flow and team fighting is just better. So you surrender to honor them kicking your ass. That's ok imo.

Faith BreakerJun 19, 20151 votes

You know the concept of good sportsmanship is fading fast. Sometimes I type out "Good game" just because "gg" is so over used and bland it can actually be seen as toxic. Like, you can literally type "gg" under certain circumstances and you'd be negative (giving up early ect) Sometimes 40 mins into an evenly matched game, I like to type out "Good game so far" Whenever I get out played by an enemy, I use it as a chance to create dialouge , maybe ask how they did it, was it planned, toss in a joke, ect.

When I'm particularlly ahead of my enemy to the point I very clearly dominating them, I will often open discussion with them to aleviate any tension and let them know I'm not here to make them miserable just win the game. It's so much better when someone is beating you to just talk with ya casual like guys at a bar, and not start trash talking you like some angry 12 year old x box warrior that was never taunt sportsmanship or manners or ..... anything. Learn alot from their world yet was never taught anything. What they know is simply picked up, sponged, and absorbed, rather then having information presented to them in an engaging and stimulating way that provokes thoughts and not un contested assumptions.

If a man without access to the internet lived on in some remote region and didn't now about Ostrich's or Penguins, he would believe that all birds could fly. He'd be wrong, but only because his statement was true for him, to his perceptions of reality. That's the difference today. Kid's don't see penquins, they assume all birds can fly.

OrihïmeJun 20, 20151 votes

Surrendering is a ridiculous notion. There is a come back for every game, no matter how far behind you are, if you are lucky and willing to fight for it.

Finish what you start and see it through to the end win or lose, because quitters never win.

DeathchewyJul 12, 20151 votes

most games are worth surrendering if your team is 3/30, no single skilled player can carry a bag full of crap

Drunk ZetsubouOct 17, 20151 votes

This. I hate people who play rank and surrender when it seems like it's going bad. Stay out of rank kids and just play normal, you can surrender all you want. They should make it so surrender shouldn't even be possible in rank.