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Don't pick support if you want to play a mage

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Taking CS, not building sightstone or upgrading trinket because you're too busy rushing Luden's Echo.

Just call mid. Don't call support just because you want to play a mage champion that can work as a support while not playing like a support.

EDIT: I probably should have titled this post "Don't pick support if you want to play as a carry"

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Kotex7 votes

Off carry/5th damage threatening is just a rising trend. I play off carry support sometimes. Sometimes i don't bother getting sightstone but i keep the map supplied with as much vision as i individually can (which only amounts to 3 wards) while i build damage and support through applying massive damage to high priority targets with a low priority seat. Some people still want to harp about me not having a sightstone regardless if ive been keeping the maximum amount of wards on the map at all times. Most of the time those are the same people that have yet to buy a single ward of their own, or upgrade their own trinket, can't CS, and dont pay attention to the wards that are placed.

Not trying to say that is you personally

Angry Monster1 votes

so the problem is that you are not using vision effectively. I am totally ok with off carrry supports as long as you get a sight stone and red sweeper (upgraded). After that you can have every kill in the game and become what every you want.

The reason you need a sightstone is cause you need to be able to move vision forward and not worry about your gold. It is almost impossible to move vision forward with a yellow trinket. By using a sightstone with throw away wards you do not hit your gold when you are just throwing down a safty ward to go deeper for other wards.

Kotex2 votes

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so the problem is that you are not using vision effectively. I am totally ok with off carrry supports as long as you get a sight stone and red sweeper (upgraded). After that you can have every kill in the game and become what every you want.

The reason you need a sightstone is cause you need to be able to move vision forward and not worry about your gold. It is almost impossible to move vision forward with a yellow trinket. By using a sightstone with throw away wards you do not hit your gold when you are just throwing down a safty ward to go deeper for other wards.

No the problem would be whether i have a sightstone, or greenwards and upgraded yellows, i am still the only one concerned with putting any kind of vision down. Regardless of how i put vision down, i keep it, but there comes a point in the game where vision should be a group concern and effort, which is shirked. If im actively securing kills then the throw away gold becomes irrelevant and replenished. When i ADC, i don't care how vision gets placed on the map as long as it's placed on the map, sightstone or not. Sometimes as an ADC, i buy more wards than our support or jungler combined. :V

Angry Monster1 votes

Sometimes as an ADC, i buy more wards than our support or jungler combined. :V

This sucks but does not matter

If you are not getting a sight stone you are probably not warding effectively.

Kotex4 votes

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This sucks but does not matter

If you are not getting a sight stone you are probably not warding effectively.

Well the keyword in your own reply is "probably" that means you acknowledge the possibility that i could very well be. You don't need a sight stone to ward efficiently otherwise everyone would buy a sightstone by that logic.

A person can be a shitty warder with a sightstone, and another person can be a fantastic warder without one. Furthermore if your team is all pitching in to maintain vision together you will have optimal vision; sightstone or not.

Angry Monster1 votes

A person can be a shitty warder with a sightstone, and another person can be a fantastic warder without one.

I see a flaw here. The first part is right but the odds are if you are not getting the sight stone you are not warding correctly. Their is a 1% chance that you are warding correctly per game.

So yes their is a chance but if you were so good at the warding game you would be out of silver.

Kotex2 votes

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I see a flaw here. The first part is right but the odds are if you are not getting the sight stone you are not warding correctly. Their is a 1% chance that you are warding correctly per game.

So yes their is a chance but if you were so good at the warding game you would be out of silver.

Please don't use some childishly arbitrary reason to disagree with me like my rank in a video game. Because again by that logic, everyone could be in challenger because just placing wards automatically wins. We've all lost to teams that don't drop any wards at all, and lose games when we have as much vision as we can. In that case i would never lose, because sightstone or not I ward out my bum even when im not support or jungle which is alot more than most people I play with can say.

You don't need to agree with me, but you don't need to look for a condescending excuse why you dont want to. Saying something like that when you yourself is barely 1 tier higher than me is rather petty and contradictory to the argument youre trying to provide because that should mean you would be much higher than simply gold.

What works for me, works for me. Unlike you, im not trying to disprove anyone's opinion, nor belittle anyone for not agreeing with me. Im not looking for validation but i cant say that about you with certainty.

Angry Monster1 votes

its is not childish but hey be what you want to be. Trust me buddy when is ay this that one teir might as well be 2. low silver is way different than high silver. Also i am not some silver that spikes to gold and falls.

you http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/40267899

me http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24234974

You have over 2 times the losses to wins in ranked.

What works for me, works for me. Unlike you, im not trying to disprove anyone's opinion.

I think i have proven that what you are doing does not work.

Kotex3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Angry Monster,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=1xiE1uRg,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-02T18:03:33.891+0000)

its is not childish but hey be what you want to be. Trust me buddy when is ay this that one teir might as well be 2. low silver is way different than high silver. Also i am not some silver that spikes to gold and falls.

you http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/40267899

me http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24234974

You have over 2 times the losses to wins in ranked.

I think i have proven that what you are doing does not work.

You haven't proven anything. There are many more factors that decide a win from a loss than vision. You have something to prove. I don't. Very least of all do i need to explain myself to a stranger that knows nothing about me.

If youre going to keep stooping to a lower level of immaturity with each post just to validate your own opinion over mine, perhaps the one that has the problem here is you, not me?

In spite of all that im perfectly fine with starting over amicably :D <3

mfknlwig1 votes

i typically only ward when in the grass going into a fight dont matter wat role... am a shity warder

DazedOnlooker3 votes

If i see that the enemy team is lacking in the ward department(much like every team i see tbh) then after level 9 i sell my SS for item 3361 and item 2043, sweepers become useless because il catch that no one will upgr their trinkets and stick to pinks which alway put my team at a slight advantage. I say slight because 95% of my teams don't ward..at all. Any vision is better than no vision. my totem is always on cd if wards are up and very often will my wards mean anything being the only one keeping them up.

I only switch back to SS if the enemy team is warding/sweeping more diligently than my team, if not i refuse to get a SS because at the same time my own team will not contribute and i get sick of having to back with full hp/mp just because i ran out of SS charges. Not to mention il have teams who pay no mind to the mini map, and solely relying on** me** to call mia or ping if there is a possible gank incoming from anywhere(mid/bot). and i have even gotten harassed earlier because my ward timers expired while i was restocking at base and yet my adc continued to extend to take out a tier 2 tower with no vision, thus dying because of it.

Thresh *Ward timers expired, now back at the shop to refill item 2049 *

Lucian Dies to a gank from all sides from the fed Diana and Teemo trying to take out a 2nd turret Lucian "Thresh..buy a sightstone please" Thresh "I have had this SS since lvl 6, how about you upgrade your own trinket and help ward?" lvl 13 now Lucian "oh well...then use it more often"(Ignored the last part of what i said) Thresh "........" Thresh Doesn't speak for the rest of the game. Trades item 2049 for item 3361 + item 2043

We won that game. GG

Also had a game where my adc Vayne was ping spamming me to ward specific places every time she got caught out (despite my danger pings and 3 placed wards), she never upgraded her own trinket, or bought a single ward..except our awesome jungler and top laner.

Vayne"We need wards in our jg. upgrade your trinkets NOW" SonaUpgrades item 3364, wards already placed Vaynegets caught out again near drag pit Vayne"Sona ward this spot here NOW" Sonareplaces ward

3mins later Vayne got caught out again this time on the opposite side VayneSona, wards in this jg get to it Sona places pink, bc there are still fresh wards on the other side Vaynedies near drag again, my 2 wards expired Vayne"Sona where are the wards?" Sona "Upgrade your fking trinket." Vayne"I don't have to, all i need is the basic one" Sona "what good is 60sec worth of vision??? Q_Q" Vayne"Very important" Sona "....upgrade your own trinket, your making me waste new wards, either keep track of the mini map or upgrade your trinket, you do not ward as often as your telling me to " Vayne"I use my trinket to give you vision long enough to ward that spot safely. And besides warding is your job. ever read guides?" Udyr just died "BOTH OF YOU SHUT THE FK UP"

Sona Embraces the Sona persona and becomes a Mute for the rest of the game

^ the depressing part about this game is that me and my adc stomped our lane opponent's during the laning phase ,i felt so proud of myself being able to make sure my adc could farm and get fed without a care, but fell off mid game when my adc fed because she thought she could 1v2 the fed mid and jg....repeatedly to the point where the opposite team was more fed than my own team off of the assist kills they got from my YOLO adc..not to say that i'm not at fault either, i followed her to my death trying to save her so many times while knowing she would lose. My urge to support her was too stronk.

Angry Monster1 votes

yawn a unranked players story....

Westonbirt1 votes

http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/2279800750/29652585?tab=overview

Never built sightstone. Bought base ward till 9. Warded more than the sightstone-using Lulu. GG WP.

And that happens all the bloody time. Nobody ever buys trinket upgrade, ever. I have more chance finding someone who builds bloody Ohmwrecker than what is the most gold efficient item in the game.

VesperNadal4 votes

Why do people dislike the support role so much? I main top, but I don't mind going support. Supports save lives and set up their team for great success. I don't understand why people don't get satisfaction out of watching a teammate pull off something really spectacular and then say to themselves "I made that happen." Why don't people have this outlook more often?

50000000000000006 votes

Because who needs teammates in a team game?

Check moé ben1 votes

I want to be a superstar.

DazedOnlooker1 votes

And i want to be the very best Lulu support. Like no one ever was.

Check moé ben2 votes

ADC Lulu is a beast c;

DazedOnlooker1 votes

I was surprised to find that a lot of unlikely champs can be good at adc(coughJarvanIV), i have yet to see a lulu one though, i bet it would be awesome.

stealthfox941 votes

Partly because I don't like laning with someone else. Still support Malphite is funny. I did a Malphite Yasuo bot lane combo once.

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

You can play a high AP support, as long as you maintain vision control too. I wouldn't do it in Ranked, but I'd either rush Sightstone as normal, or buy plenty of wards up until I'm 9 to upgrade into Greater Stealth Totem.

Brand / Brand

50000000000000004 votes

Yeah, exactly. This person didn't bother to do any of those things. 0 wards bought.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

Sona and Nami work well with a lot of AP, but I would probably just build Deathcap as my only AP item besides maybe Ardent Censer.

DazedOnlooker2 votes

I Started getting into the habit of adding item 3174 item 3089 to my build for the AP scalings(its pretty nice to be able to give insane amounts of hp back), and for the epic mana regen from athens, whenever i build into thoes i can heal and buff almost infinitely without having to back after every team fight(or after trading 4 times with my lane opponent's, and after a gank).

Tyren2 votes

Janna Lulu Nami are mages :(

50000000000000002 votes

They are mages, but they can be played like supports. It's not their damage you care about; it's their utility. They're still useful even if they don't build full AP, so they don't need to take CS, spend money to ward, etc.

d4bbl3z2 votes

What if your Marksman is bad at csing? I hate to see that siege minion go to waste. Best to keep the money on the team, right? Also, this is why I focus tank supports. If I accidentally last hit, Targon's takes care of it. I agree with you, though. I've seen ppl who "support" and don't even ward. They pretty much roam the map looking for free kills while building like a solo laner.

TurquoiseYoshi2 votes

If your ADC sucks at CSing, sell your support item and buy an Ancient Coin. I buy this item in every support game I play with random people (and some people I know) just because I can never know if they can CS well. If they can't, then the 3 gold per minion death is nice. If they can, then I get 4 per CS, while still building towards an engage tool.

TurquoiseYoshi2 votes

I know what you mean. I (a jungle main) have seriously had to recently buy Sightstone and Zeke's for my friend (ADC main), just because the support wasn't doing it.

As a side note, Nunu is fun to play. I stole so many camps from the enemy that I was begging my carries to take our camps, just because I didn't need them. I once had my ally run away from three enemies into the jungle, where I waited with my ult charging. Once they saw me, they were RIP. And then I said the all important "WINTER IS COMING" in all chat.

Pecha Berry2 votes

well excuse me for Morgana item 3303

Minion111 votes

There was a Lux in my game and she took every kill with ult

Commit Sudoku1 votes

Sona Lux plz just stop

Jase1351 votes

That's more of an issue with the person rather than the mages. You can play support tanks and still do the previously mentioned.Blitzcrank Nautilus TahmKench Thresh and definitely Leona

DazedOnlooker2 votes

I've watched 2 enemy supports(from separate games obvi)) Thresh Nautilus turn into carrie's before the laning phases were over and end up getting more kills than their adc's. That sh** was scary.

Jeanne fan club1 votes

Why would they not build sightstone? why even rush ludens? Rylais is one of the best items to rush when support, ya know after sightstone, boots and trinket.

50000000000000002 votes

Because they just wanted mid but couldn't get it -_-

Jeanne fan club1 votes

I feel bad for u m8 ;-;. At least there are some people out there who actually play ap supports like Zyra or Vel'koz correctly. I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE SUPPORTS ONLY PLEASE DON'T HURT ME TENTACLE CHAMPION MAINS ;-;. But in all seriousness people just need to stop trolling and play for the team. I play support Zyra because I know I can zone the enemy ADC so mine can safely farm. Also her teamfight is amazing and I can feel like I actually contributed to the game when I do the most damage, or close to the most damage on the team.

50000000000000001 votes

It's been forever since I've seen a Zyra or Vel'Koz... but probably because I main support. (This "support" happened when I was trying to learn ADC...) I'm so sick of seeing Thresh/Janna every game.

Jeanne fan club1 votes

Yeah, Riot needs to bring more utility/tank supports onto the level of thresh and Janna, they seem to have the best "supporting" kits in the game. Everyone of Thresh and Janna's abilities can be used for either disengage or engage unlike most other supports.

Xonra1 votes

{quoted}

Because they just wanted mid but couldn't get it -_-

Hey just be glad they were trying.

Had a guy that was last pick yesterday call mid and ended up getting support. He went Thresh (at least it was a support) but didn't know he was just gonna troll.

He got all panties in a bunch he didn't get what he wanted so he intentionally fed, would wait for me to try and last hit and try cs'ing instead, and just troll'oll'olled till half our team called him on it. He ended up 0/9/6 (which was less assists than I had, so it wasn't good, seeing as half of those were him flaying people into us instead of away or something similar)

I'd totally trade lol

Catastrop1 votes

I actually like it on some supports, but not as a rush item. Like when I play Sona we are in the lead. Although my build has to reach a certain point for me to consider buying it, item 1331 item 3060 item 2045 item 3069(not in that order obviously).

Reaper Soraka1 votes

But I like setting the world on fire without having to cs.... Amumu

I promise I'll buy wards and exhaust the Zed when he comes down, adc-senpai! Please accept me!

Catastrop1 votes

It's not that they want to play a mage, it's just they decided to try the poke support route and failed hard at it. item 3020 item 3116 item 3060 item 2045 item 3092item 3151 item 3364 Standard Poke support build, but because it's not as high on damage as they want it to be, it gets forgotten.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

Just buy item 3303 . You're rewarded for poking, and letting the adc cs. You don't even have to upgrade it.

ilt1 votes

yeah I hate them

Axests1 votes

correction, if you want to play a mage, then call it, but you don't necessarily have to go mid. If you're going to go full ap sona bot lane, then at least inform your team so they can understand what you're doing, and if they don't like it, they can dodge.

VAJAYJAYSTANK1 votes

enforce the meta cause everyone haz to do what u say

PapaGreg211 votes

I don't mind if a mage plays support as long as they are building an early sightstone and PEELING. I don't think anybody thinks of anything past the laning phase in terms of the support role in many of my games.

mfknlwig1 votes

i support as vel koz or brand... it works well also use sion for the e to harrass/slow....never heard anyone complain about taking about 20 or so cc at the end of 15mins

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