Tutorial should now replace Ryze with a simpler mage.

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After Ryze rework, the tutorial still uses Ryze as an example of a mage. This is not good for a number of reasons.

Ryze doesn't use a generic mage build. Ryze scales from maximum mana (although less than before rework, he still benefits a lot from mana), and this means that playing Ryze will be different from playing a more generic mage.

Ryze passive is difficult to understand for beginners. > Ryze's spells grants a stack of Arcane Mastery for 12 seconds, stacking up to 5 times. At 5 stacks, Ryze becomes supercharged for 3 + (1 per Desperate Power's rank) seconds, gaining a shield that blocks「 20 + (5 × Ryze's level) 」(+ 8% of his max. mana) damage While Arcane Mastery's shield holds, Ryze's spellcasts reduce his other spells' cooldowns by「 Overload's cooldown 」, able to be brought to a minimum of 0.25 seconds.

Compared to Ashe (although the reworked passive may be a bit confusing) and Garen, the other two options. This is problematic because the game pauses at one time to tell you to look at the passive.

I suggest switching out Ryze with simpler mages like Annie (only difficult mechanic is controlling tibbers), Karthus (easy to understand passive, and lack of skillshots that can be blocked), Katarina (simple mechanics), or Lux (simple mechanics and passive). I'm saying that these champions are easy to learn, not necessarily easy to master. I hope I didn't insult anyone who mains these champions.

I feel like this would be more beginner friendly. The tutorial itself feels a little intrusive (every time I tried to towerdive someone, the tutorial stopped me), and it needs to be changed overall. But until then, small changes to make it more beginner-friendly, please?

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warpenguin55565 votes

it should be Annie instead of Ryze. Shes much more new player friendly.

Migrañaboy5 votes

Next patch they are reducing her attack range. kek

Remlap12234 votes

Citation needed.

Edit: U FUKIN WOT M8? The whole reason why her attack range is that high is because her Q is that range as well. Unless that means... ANNIE NERFS! YESSSSS!!!

Migrañaboy1 votes

YES, I hope that eventually Rito posts they can't balance her until they add counterplay (i.e. make targeteable a skillshot), after all, these aren't named skillshots for nothing!

Dodge the ability = counterplay!

Balanced. Kek

Remlap122312 votes

But. If they make Annie's Q a skillshot, she'll be able to charge it for her stun.

OH GOD

Ryvaku2 votes

I would love if they did that. I would use annie more often. <3

Gati2 votes

Not 100% gonna happen (it is the PBE) though, plus that info was just on the air client

Migrañaboy2 votes

But having nerfs in script regardless of not being official, suggest that they have something on their mind for her. :^)

AdgharKH35 votes

I vote Lux

Kalarepa11 votes

Bad idea imo, because of 4 skllshots. Annie is also not the best pick for fresh player, because you control Tibers and that can be confusing. I'd choose Brand.

kunkudunk17 votes

Nah annie is the best choice since tibbers will still attack stuff even if you don't tell him to.

DrathTurtle3144 votes

And there are lots of mages that have pets(or other things to focus on and control). Annie Azir Elise Leblanc Lulu Malzahar Orianna Shaco Syndra Viktor Zyra Of these, I think annie is the most simple and teaching the player about this type of mage does more than teaching them about the ONE mage that scales heavily on maximum mana.(correct me if I'm wrong on the last part about ryze being the only one that does this)

kunkudunk1 votes

Ryze is the only one with meaningful late game mana scaling yes. Kass does on his ult too but that is one ability.

DrathTurtle3141 votes

Come to think of it doesn't Singed's passive make him tankier the more mana he has? Related, but not exactly the same idea, also not a mage so...

50000000000000003 votes

I think it gives him more health.

Go0bEr L1TtLe2 votes

Brand is a good choice, because he is pretty easy to learn

LOL Spammer2 votes

but hard to land combos as a beginner especially because they won't even know what a combo is! With annie you don't really have to land combos to do well.

Audiomancy3 votes

I think Annie is actually a pretty good choice because of Tibbers. She's a basic burst mage and can ease new players in to using pets/clones.

Silents4295 votes

Why do skillshots matter? These are people learning league it isn't like they are missing an eye, and 4 fingers. They know how to land abilities if they have played any other game.

50000000000000003 votes

Landing bullets in fps is different from landing skillshots on league. I also played starcraft and warcraft 3 before starting league, and since those games are more focused on strategy than micromanagement (although it is pretty heavy on micromanagement) pretty much all the skillshots are ground targeted. Practicing skillshots is important.

Silents4298 votes

But even still playing games in general heightens your reflexes, things like skillshots shouldn't or normally wouldn't phase anyone. "Oh I have to aim and hit them" isn't a lost concept a newbie couldn't understand, Point and click can be easier to land, but not choosing a tutorial mage because of skillshots is incredibly short sighted.

I also argue that shooting people in a shooter is similar given you are aiming and shooting in both, not in the same manner, but I think players at this point understand what leading a target is, and aiming. We can't assume everyone new to the game has never played a video game before.

B1naryB0t3 votes

The main thing about having minimal skillshots is that if they miss shots, they're gonna be discouraged, and new players are already heavily discouraged as-is.

The Vilemaw Icon1 votes

Considering everything in league will be a skillshot at this pace, we should probably have that in the tutorial.

toxicpanda362 votes

EVERYTHING? Teemo -w Warwick -e Sona -qwe

50000000000000003 votes

Teemo W becomes a dash. Warwick E becomes a skillshot, and if it hits, it reveals target for a duration. Sona spells become pass-through skillshot that affects both allies and enemies.

Silents4294 votes

I don't know about you or anyone else but when I start a game anew, I don't go in thinking I will be good at it right away. Lux is straight forward, just because her abilities take some minor aiming doesn't mean they are going to discourage users, if everyone operated that way well the community wouldn't be as massive as it is currently.

pro crastinat0r22 votes

Lol I remember I did the tutorial with Ryze. After that I thought mana was a damage stat and I stacked it on Lee Sin in my first beginner bot game...

Chaotic Reks24 votes

full ap lee song support carry u to challenjour

chriserit21 votes

must be Annie. Lux costs 3150 IP while Annie 450 and this mean a lot for a beginner. less IP needed = easier access to a beginner

Only Play Darius17 votes

Oh god.

If I was a new player and that wall of text that is his passive was the first thing I read, I would probably just quit.

I think Annie Lux would make much better tutorial mages.

Sukishoo10 votes

Yeah it should have always been someone like Annie , she's far simpler. Ryze has always had a much higher skill level.

FluxBound2 votes

always had a much higher skill level.

idk, pressing "qweqwrqweerqweqweqwe" doesn't really have a high skill level. Trust me, I've done my Ryze spamming

Sukishoo3 votes

Spamming doesn't mean you've reached their full potential.

I made a shot of Ryze and Annie and included another (Morgana) showing all the differences in skill to get the full potential of the champion, and hell, Morgana is even easier then Ryze AND Annie. Only thing that can be semi difficult with Morg is landing a binding.

sanger325 votes

Honestly, Veigar is pretty simple...

hgjkdlsaf jeldvb5 votes

Annie is the easiest I can think of. Everything is click to auto hit or point and click instant. She also encourages good last hitting.

LeeDark4 votes

After numerous threads discussing various issues new players face in this game and how Riot could improve the new player experience, nothing has been done. It should be obvious by now that Riot doesn't think there are enough new players for them to care.

MrEly4 votes

I highly agree that Ryze is no longer the simple mage that I used to love. He is completely different now, and is quite a bit more difficult. I highly agree that newbies should be exposed to Annie before Ryze. It just makes more sense.

SleepyLionCub3 votes

I thought the tutorial used lissandra now

blueberrypancake33 votes

eye twitches

WhiskerWow3 votes

I tried Ryze when I first played and I failed horribly. I think it's because I was so conservative in other games and I didn't use my spells often so I ewouldn't waste mana. Karthus and Lux are a bad because their damage can miss. Katarina is bad because the game classifies her as an assassin, and she has a teleport, which may be distracting. Worse of all, they are all 3150 champions. So that leaves Annie and Ryze, and they're both acceptable honestly.

They also use the current value instead of the equation in the game, so it's not distracting.

Ryze's spells grants a stack of Arcane Mastery for 12 seconds, stacking up to 5 times. At 5 stacks, Ryze becomes supercharged for 4 seconds, gaining a shield that blocks 30 damage While Arcane Mastery's shield holds, Ryze's spellcasts reduce his other spells' cooldowns by 4, able to be brought to a minimum of 0.25 seconds.

That's a lot more understandable then the thing you put.

50000000000000003 votes

I suppose. It's still a lot more complicated than Annie, for example.

WhiskerWow2 votes

Annie was my first champion I bought and started playing a lot. When I first played, I maxed W and tried to time my stun so I would stun all the minions so my wave would push, because obviously if you want to take the nexus, you need to push a lot. I even ulted just to attack the turret. Then my cousin told me about passive+ult on champions...

The only argument against Annie is she doesn't look like your stereotypical mage, as she is just a small child. Ryze is old and has a beard, kinda like a wizard though. That's not a good enough reason to keep her not on tutorial, but there's not enough reason to take Ryze off.

50000000000000002 votes

Oh, when I said "stereotypical mage," I meant more mechanically than aesthetically. I suppose Ryze isn't as complex as I made him look, though. I'll give you that.

SpecterVonBaren3 votes

How bout Swain ? Two point and click abilities, one ground targeted one and one toggle.

50000000000000002 votes

That also makes sense.

trexmixG3 votes

he's very difficult to use though, and not orthodox.

masterdragon4817 votes

No, we don't need more people playing swain.

PalPlays1 votes

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After Ryze rework, the tutorial still uses Ryze as an example of a mage. This is not good for a number of reasons.

Ryze doesn't use a generic mage build. Ryze scales from maximum mana (although less than before rework, he still benefits a lot from mana), and this means that playing Ryze will be different from playing a more generic mage.

Ryze passive is difficult to understand for beginners. > Ryze's spells grants a stack of Arcane Mastery for 12 seconds, stacking up to 5 times. At 5 stacks, Ryze becomes supercharged for 3 + (1 per Desperate Power's rank) seconds, gaining a shield that blocks「 20 + (5 × Ryze's level) 」(+ 8% of his max. mana) damage While Arcane Mastery's shield holds, Ryze's spellcasts reduce his other spells' cooldowns by「 Overload's cooldown 」, able to be brought to a minimum of 0.25 seconds.

Compared to Ashe (although the reworked passive may be a bit confusing) and Garen, the other two options. This is problematic because the game pauses at one time to tell you to look at the passive.

I suggest switching out Ryze with simpler mages like Annie (only difficult mechanic is controlling tibbers), Karthus (easy to understand passive, and lack of skillshots that can be blocked), Katarina (simple mechanics), or Lux (simple mechanics and passive). I'm saying that these champions are easy to learn, not necessarily easy to master. I hope I didn't insult anyone who mains these champions.

I feel like this would be more beginner friendly. The tutorial itself feels a little intrusive (every time I tried to towerdive someone, the tutorial stopped me), and it needs to be changed overall. But until then, small changes to make it more beginner-friendly, please?

Anivia would be a good choice, start them out on a weak champion lol.

Banuvan1 votes

LOL Tutorial. They still have Ashe building warmogs?

MVDuneCats3 votes

I believe it's Thornmail.

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