How does this random shop work?

GoldsmithSmarty·Nov 24, 2019·4 votes·4,225 views

I don't get it. I've played a game recently where I had several champions ready to get T3. All I needed was a single copy of them. Well, after spending 150+ gold across multiple rounds I didn't get a single one. I should've won that game. I had 3 potential T3's but ultimately I lost a close game with zero t3 champs. Other players had multiple T3 in their roaster.

Am I doing something wrong? It's the same story for me every game. I've tried stockpiling gold with income and also tried spending every penny each round. I lose all the time because I don't get the champs I need.

I would appreciate some advice.

16 Comments

ModThe DjinnNov 24, 20192 votes

You need to look at who else is building the same champions. Champions come from a shared pool, and if someone else is Tier 3-ing the same champion (especially cost 3+ champions) your odds decrease exponentially and are, in some cases, impossible.

The pool sizes are as follows:

~~* 39 of each Tier 1 champion.

26 of each Tier 2 champion.
21 of each Tier 3 champion.
13 of each Tier 4 champions.
10 of each Tier 5 champions.~~

Forgot the 10/22 update:

Tier 1: 39 ⇒ 29
Tier 2: 26 ⇒ 22
Tier 3: 18 ⇒ 16
Tier 4: 13 ⇒ 12
Tier 5: 10

There are 9 champions needed to get a 3-star, and 3 needed to get a 2-star.

ZedifiedNov 24, 20191 votes

Surely the pools are abit smaller then that, try half then that's right

ModThe DjinnNov 24, 20191 votes

{quoted}Surely the pools are abit smaller then that, try half then that's right

Those are the official numbers, so no, the pools are not smaller than that.

ZedifiedNov 24, 20191 votes

Quote me if I'm wrong then why is it when I see a zed, only up to star 2 but nothing else after that, not to mention the tier ones you can only get 20 of them at best so how are they official numbers, give me a link so I can believe you ^^

ModThe DjinnNov 24, 20191 votes

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Quote me if I'm wrong then why is it when I see a zed, only up to star 2 but nothing else after that, not to mention the tier ones you can only get 20 of them at best so how are they official numbers, give me a link so I can believe you ^^

Because if you want a 3-star Zed you'd have to buy NINE of the available TEN Zed's, which is basically impossible unless you're super lucky with RNG and no one else is buying any.

As for the official notes, I'm off by a bit -- I forgot it was further reduced on the 10/22 patch.

Tier 1: 39 ⇒ 29
Tier 2: 26 ⇒ 22
Tier 3: 18 ⇒ 16
Tier 4: 13 ⇒ 12
Tier 5: 10

CloudedLogicNov 24, 20191 votes

Keep in mind that as you level the percentage chance of each champ offered in the shop being a certain cost changes.

For the first two levels you will only ever see 1 cost units in the shop, but every time you gain a level the chances of a 1 cost unit showing up gets smaller and smaller. If you are specifically wanting to get a three star 1 cost unit, you need to roll before level 6 as by then the chances of a one cost showing up is just 25% per card, while the chance of a 2 cost showing up is 35%.

SaezioNov 25, 20191 votes

Note those pools are across all players. not per player

ChaosReynNov 24, 20191 votes

3 needed for 2*

3 of those (so 9 of the champion in total) for a 3*

6 gets you nothing. except a 2nd 2* that sits on your bench as eye candy cause you're trying to level it.

ModThe DjinnNov 24, 20191 votes

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3 needed for 2*

3 of those (so 9 of the champion in total) for a 3*

6 gets you nothing. except a 2nd 2* that sits on your bench as eye candy cause you're trying to level it.

Derp. Yep, you're right.

GoldsmithSmartyNov 24, 20191 votes

Oh my lord. I had no idea. I've lost another game just now, being unable to t3 any of my champs in lategame. I got 3rd place but could've won easily if my brand was t3. I guess now I will look at what other people are going for and pick something else.

Cloud SkylarNov 25, 20191 votes

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Oh my lord. I had no idea. I've lost another game just now, being unable to t3 any of my champs in lategame. I got 3rd place but could've won easily if my brand was t3. I guess now I will look at what other people are going for and pick something else.

Getting a lvl 3 brand you would have to be extremely lucky. First you would need noone to build him and second to get him in your rolls noone of which are very likely.

Sirfetchd21Nov 24, 20191 votes

Along with other things mentioned, it can also be worth holding champions of the same tier while you hyper roll. Say you wanted a yorick, you would pick up any brand, twitch, ashe. Etc. Temporarily until you needed space or gold to reroll.

GoldsmithSmartyNov 25, 20191 votes

What if I buy Ashe for example and sell her immediately, will this same Ashe reappear in the shop? If there are say 10 Lux's available, would buying all of them and selling make it impossible for anyone to get her? Starving the market may be a viable strategy this way.

What is the benefit of buying champ of the same tier If you don't need them?

CloudedLogicNov 25, 20191 votes

When you sell they go back to the shared pool. So if you buy an Ashe and sell it there are still the same number of Ashes as there were before you buy her.

What he is getting at is that when you draw a card it has an X% chance of being a 4 cost unit. Then it picks what champion it is based on the total cards left, so for each Ashe you own the chances of getting a non-Ashe champion goes up. So you can buy a Brand, twitch, yorick, etc to reduce their chances of showing up (conversely increasing your chances of seeing an Ashe on your next reroll).

Basically you have a big pool. Anything you remove is out until you put it back. So you can use this to your advantage, though I rarely take the time to do this because my ping is bad, and I don't want to do the mental math for how much I need to hold on to (or in other words how many times I can roll before and after selling unwanted units) for what small benefit this brings. Something to keep in mind if you do choose to do this, is that you should never buy three of a unit you want as when you sell back a two star champion (other than one cost units) you do not get a full refund for the gold.

GoldsmithSmartyNov 27, 20191 votes

Thank you, now it's clear as day. I guess the most important part is to observe what your opponents are going for and weigh your own chances on getting desired champions. I wish they made this mode less random.

GoldsmithSmartyNov 27, 20192 votes

I've played another game just now, and I won't play this unbalanced game mode anymore.

I've made countless rerolls spending every gold I had to get ONE single Leblanc.

No one beside me used her, let alone had her at t3.

Several opponents including me used Braum as their champ. I almost made him T3. and another dude had 3 T2 Braums in his team.

I got 3-rd place in this game but I could've won as usual.

I've exhausted my resources to get 1 copy of Leblanc, I was committed. Because of that I didn't even get level 8.

I've tried to temporarily buy champs with same cost to increase my chance of getting Lesb, but to no avail.

I guess people forgot how to create games that are not based on disgusting randomness.

Thank you for your time bro.