LP is even more meaningless now than it was before - Just go back to displaying MMR

BigIdea·Dec 3, 2019·10 votes·7,441 views

TFT Ranked - What are we doing for Set 2 Rise of the Elements?

A hard LP reset and soft MMR reset make absolutely no sense. How is it a good idea to have players with vastly different MMRs sitting at the same LP? There was already potential for LP and MMR inconsistencies in the old system. Now there's a complete disconnect that might take hundreds or thousands of games to rectify.

I didn't even realize this was done until I climbed through lower LP ranks at a significantly slower pace than I climbed last season and started wondering if I actually got a lost worse. How are players going to gain LP more quickly if they are playing against players of the same MMR? It seems like the player base is being treated as if it were stupid and wouldn't figure this out.

I can't understand even a little how someone thought this LP/MMR system was a good idea. Please stop trying to over complicate things that are incredibly straight forward and just show us our damn rank.

16 Comments

DynikusDec 3, 20195 votes

You mean it doesn't make sense to have diamond+ players in iron that have to win against other diamond+ players to climb to fucking bronze?

No idea who thought this made any sense, but god damn is it stupid. Why do I have to get 1st like 20 consecutive times against players my own skill level just to climb to where I belong according to riot's own matchmaking? Why is it easier for a brand new account or even a bronze player to climb to gold than it is for someone who was previously challenger?

Like, I might understand it if you at least had disgusting LP gains, like 200-300+ per game, but you at most go up one division for a first place finish.

Jesus is SaviorDec 3, 20195 votes

I know this is a TFT post... But Riot already does this in Ranked solo/duo on summoner's rift. On a fresh account you will start out with gold 4 MMR but you will be placed bronze after your 8 (I think it's 8 now) placement matches. And then you get +30 on a win and -5 on a loss.

Riot's goal: to make you play more games.

That's it. They want you to play more games and hopefully spend more money. They don't care about the integrity of the ladder.

ToolmakerDec 4, 20193 votes

I feel like a hard reset was needed. The last season of the tft "beta" was full of bugs and op unbeatable compositions like locket mages, ninja assassin akali, knight + carry. So the LP gains may have been inflated or inaccurate for the skill level.

This set 2 of tft, even though it has some annoying things, there are multiple viable compositions, it takes more understanding and work around (I won't say skill), and I'm not seeing anything particularly unbeatable.

The unfortunate part for me is that tft doesn't take that much skill in the first place, and people can just copy the viable comps from streamers or tier lists to win. Maybe this doesn't matter for the galaxy brain professional players, but for a player like me who is average/casual, it makes ranked unappetizing. Oh, you went that standard composition and got three tier 3 units? Alright, you beat me. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

imajnfiad10fngrsDec 5, 20191 votes

I don't think people have an issue with hard resetting both MMR and LP. The problem is riot reset LP but not MMR. So you have higher MMR players and lower MMR players in the same LP classes. If LP doesn't reflect your rank, it serves no purpose and is just a blatantly misleading metric. It's unreal that riot doesn't understand or chooses to ignore this because they have their own agendas and have provided complete BS reasons for the reset decision in a poor attempt fool their player base.

ToolmakerDec 5, 20191 votes

I think it doesn't matter if you are getting lower mmr players in your games. Technically, you should be able to get top 4 every game if you are that much better than the low mmr players. If you are getting 6+ high or same mmr players in your games, then that is unfortunate because you will just have a slow climb. But there are definitely players who are able to climb without a problem. So unless Riot is intentionally giving players higher drop rates for what they need, then I'm not sure it's a problem.

Also, I don't think people should care that much about ranks below Masters, because you can really just copy the comps you need to win, and if you have an average intelligence, you can search for the champions you need and econ well enough to win.

And having played ranked in the first iteration of tft doesn't necessarily reflect your actual skill level anyway. It was just too easy to create an op composition and win due to various bugs at different points. So if they inflate your lp gains too much, you will just have lower skilled players in higher games and ranks won't mean anything.

And if you're not good enough to get top 4 consistently every game below Masters, then you're probably not that much better than the players in the lower tiers.

imajnfiad10fngrsDec 5, 20191 votes

You don't actually get the lower MMR players in your games - you face other players of the same MMR. After the hard LP reset, everyone starts at iron LP. Bronze MMR players face ONLY bronze MMR players. Diamond MMR players face ONLY diamond MMR players. The bronze MMR players who win advance to bronze LP. The diamond players who lose against other diamonds stay at iron LP. You now have bronze players who are "ranked" higher than diamond MMR players. What's the purpose of the LP system?

Yes, eventually the problem will naturally correct over tons of games. But why the hell should a player need to play an excessive # of games to have his LP rank reflect his MMR? It makes no sense.

ToolmakerDec 5, 20191 votes

Oh, I see. Then it is what it is. Normally you have to play a decent number of games to improve your LP and mmr in any game.

However, in the previous season, not only were there op comps and bugs that let you climb faster, but you also were able to climb to platinum with a small amount of games with +90 LP for a win at silver. There was a bunch of platinum players within the time it was out, more than in League.

So I mean, I wouldn't put much emphasis on your season 1 mmr. It is less likely that it reflects your skill unless you were masters+ in season 1, and if that were the case, you're probably going to have an easier climb anyway.

Also, if you have to play more games, then it may make it more meaningful to get to diamond. Season 1 tft was just a meme.

Last season I finished platinum 2, and I didn't find that meaningful in any way.

And this may be a personal idea that below masters didn't mean much of anything, but I think other people feel the same way.

FireDrizzleDec 3, 20191 votes

Mods, why delete my post?

Trias000Dec 3, 20191 votes

I'm too lazy to read the article, but generally Riot does these rank resets to encourage (force?) people to play ranked. Otherwise everyone would eventually get stuck at their peak rank and burn out. With these resets players try to at least climb back to their old rank.

DynikusDec 3, 20194 votes

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I'm too lazy to read the article, but generally Riot does these rank resets to encourage (force?) people to play ranked. Otherwise everyone would eventually get stuck at their peak rank and burn out. With these resets players try to at least climb back to their old rank.

The problem is riot did a hard rank reset but only a soft mmr reset, instead of the typical soft mmr and soft rank reset they do in normal league. every player has to start from the bottom, regardless of where they placed last season, while still playing against the same players they were before. What this means is that a challenger player will have to play against and win consistently against other high elo players just to get through bronze, silver, gold, etc. until they eventually get back to their original rank. Meanwhile, a previously unranked player will have to play against bronze players in bronze, silver players in silver, etc as they climb, making it substantially easier to climb on a new account than it is to climb on an account that was previously ranked.