Unbeatable Unit/Item combo

Void2258·Dec 19, 2019·4 votes·1,373 views

Olaf with a bloodthirster and a rageblade cannot be beat. Getting that combination is an instantaneous first place finish. This unit and items can solo an entire level 9 team all 3 star team. He simply cannot retain damage once rageblade stacks and with his ult preventing CC the normal way to shut down a bloodthirster build fails on him. He is completely and utterly broken if this combination of items comes up. Short of a lucky Veigar ult from a higher level veigar, nothing in the game can even theoretically kill him once his ult pops. Since such an outcome is completely random, there is no build, team comp, or item combination you can go for to counter him. Once a player has this one unit, they are guaranteed to win 1st place. This combination needs to be disallowed, nerfed, or otherwise made impossible. It should not be possible to win the game based on getting a single unit and item combination.

14 Comments

Sirfetchd21Dec 19, 20193 votes

Try Kindred, Morello or Red Buff. There's 3 things that can give Olaf severely decreased survivability.

IpheyaDec 19, 20193 votes

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Olaf with a bloodthirster and a rageblade cannot be beat. Getting that combination is an instantaneous first place finish. This unit and items can solo an entire level 9 team all 3 star team. He simply cannot retain damage once rageblade stacks and with his ult preventing CC the normal way to shut down a bloodthirster build fails on him. He is completely and utterly broken if this combination of items comes up. Short of a lucky Veigar ult from a higher level veigar, nothing in the game can even theoretically kill him once his ult pops. Since such an outcome is completely random, there is no build, team comp, or item combination you can go for to counter him. Once a player has this one unit, they are guaranteed to win 1st place. This combination needs to be disallowed, nerfed, or otherwise made impossible. It should not be possible to win the game based on getting a single unit and item combination.

It's true to some extent. Olaf can be beat by other comps, the issue is that Olaf reaches his full potential rather quickly and with no effort. Most other comps require a hell lot of investment before they become stronger. So yeah he's an easy winner, but it's not completely true that he cannot be beaten, try it yourself and you'll see that sometimes he loses too.

Summoner SpeIIDec 19, 20191 votes

the counter is zephyr, u take him out of the game for 6 seconds with good positioning, then while his entire team is dead you can use the item hush to silence him while your units kill him

Void2258Dec 19, 20193 votes

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the counter is zephyr, u take him out of the game for 6 seconds with good positioning, then while his entire team is dead you can use the item hush to silence him while your units kill him

So your plan is to happen to get lucky with zephyr (and don't say the other person won't move the olaf if they see it coming), kill the entire rest of the team cleanly in 6s, then have a hush free to work on Olaf? Do you not see how many things have to go right to even attempt that, much less succeed?

Summoner SpeIIDec 19, 20191 votes

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So your plan is to happen to get lucky with zephyr (and don't say the other person won't move the olaf if they see it coming), kill the entire rest of the team cleanly in 6s, then have a hush free to work on Olaf? Do you not see how many things have to go right to even attempt that, much less succeed?

u look at where olaf is on the enemy map, and on the last second you move your zephyred unit to directly counter the olaf on that tile, and that has counters olaf pretty good, i abuse multiple zephyrs if i can gives me a huge advantage

Void2258Dec 19, 20192 votes

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u look at where olaf is on the enemy map, and on the last second you move your zephyred unit to directly counter the olaf on that tile, and that has counters olaf pretty good, i abuse multiple zephyrs if i can gives me a huge advantage

While I won't say this cannot possibly work, this is a very niche and very hard to pull of strategy that almost requires dedicating your entire build path for the whole game just to being able to counter olaf. Even if this does work, it turns the whole game around a single unit, which I still maintain means the unit is broken. Having to build entirely just to counter a single unit, not a team of units, is a game breaking issue. I am not saying there aren't other strong carry setups, but this is the only one in which a single unit can single handedly destroy any team if their ult goes off and they aren't 100% focused.

Summoner SpeIIDec 19, 20191 votes

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While I won't say this cannot possibly work, this is a very niche and very hard to pull of strategy that almost requires dedicating your entire build path for the whole game just to being able to counter olaf. Even if this does work, it turns the whole game around a single unit, which I still maintain means the unit is broken. Having to build entirely just to counter a single unit, not a team of units, is a game breaking issue. I am not saying there aren't other strong carry setups, but this is the only one in which a single unit can single handedly destroy any team if their ult goes off and they aren't 100% focused.

i dont need to devote my comp to olaf if i am abusing zephyr even starting from early game, even though zephyr is only 6 seconds it has pretty much no cotnerplay because u can set up exactly where u want it to be, especially on units that want to use the map tiles, it doesnt have to be olaf, it can be any overpowered unit like the gold tank renekton or the blender sivir

AlienPrimateDec 19, 20191 votes

Soraka Am I a joke to you?

Void2258Dec 19, 20193 votes

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Am I a joke to you?

Soraka ults way slower than olaf. Probably too late to stop him in most games. Once he has ulted Soraka's ult does nothing to him.

AlienPrimateDec 19, 20192 votes

You can't be serious. Soraka's costs 65 and Olaf's costs 90. Put a single mana item on Soraka and I guarantee she casts first.

ŚhunpoDec 21, 20191 votes

Factor in Olaf's cleave from the Berserker trait friendo.

ToolmakerDec 19, 20191 votes

Olaf is really annoying if you cannot cc him before he ults. But I did play my last game with a bloodthirster Olaf, and unfortunately I couldn't apply my red buff to him. I had cced him to about 20% health, but I couldn't kill off the frontline fast enough and he healed to full and killed 3 of my frontline at the same time. But tbh he would have died if I was able to put a healing debuff on him. So essentially being able to apply red buff/morello to healing units is essential right now.