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Patch 9.22 will be the death of Teamfight Tactics.

Pycaso Deetus··3 votes·1,890 views

Adding champions to what we already have is a great idea and I am all for it. But removing almost every champion we know of and basically doing an overhaul to the game mode in my opinion is stupid. Logic is out of the window. Zed 'The Master of Shadows' is electric type when there is shadow. Voliber that uses thunder as to deal damage is electric but Kennen that is actual thunder is removed. Zyra is a plant , but nope she is Infernal instead of WoodLand (forset type). Yorick a light type ... Aatrox from a demon got changed to light... there is not much to say. Also vlad (blood) is ocean and thresh that is some sort of demon is ocean. All of this because they have that kind of skins. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

These changes make no sense and seem more like excuses just to add more champs to the elemental origins (? ... I guess) just because it they have a skin with that theme? That does not even sound like work to me. A TFT only player might be confused by the change to ashe from glacial to crystal. The identity from ashe is totally changed.

These changes could have been done by any other small no-name company that is trying to come to the market with an auto-battler game mode just using the league of legends champion name and that's it. But a company as Riot Games to ruin this game as quick as this is unacceptable. I can't say I am surprised by this, knowing what Riot Games did to league and still struggles to repair. But it comes as a shock that the end comes this fast. Eddit: Also removing Kai'sa after not even a month of release sound pretty unprofessional if you ask me. She might be too strong or too weak or it's "hard to balance her" ... well should not have released a half done job. [zombie-brand-clap]

I just hope this is some sort out of season April fools joke. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

22 Comments

JustDonnyy6 votes

Good. Riot blames their lack of focus on alternate gamemodes on TFT, so if it dies, maybe the actual game can receive some focus.

Pycaso Deetus1 votes

If this is what it takes for League to get better I'm all for that even tho I love tft a lot.

Pumpedhero2 votes

Its so people can't abuse the same meta over and over like they do everygame currently. I dont even play the mode due to how badly it focuses on RNG and abusing the meta

Pycaso Deetus1 votes

Than a small tweak to what we already have could be welcome. Void got changed. Small changes to traits and origins we have can also be done. Just look with how many great ideas they came up with.

Pumpedhero2 votes

its just a variety change. nobody wants to play the same thing over and over and over. The game is just a very stale grind simulator against unfair odds.

Pycaso Deetus1 votes

Variety change? It is like going from League Of legends to dota 2 but dota champions have league names and also we ignore any logic or lore. These changes could might as well be another full fledged game or mode (like aram , or twisted treeline). Changes are needed I agree , it's boring to play the same stuff over and over. But a test of the waters with a new champs every week and removal / rework could still keep the game fairly fresh and interesting without massive changes like these. Even with this change, how long do you think it will take you to get bored of all the new stuff? 2 weeks? 1 month? Than what? wait another year for set 3 ?

Summoner SpeII1 votes

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Its so people can't abuse the same meta over and over like they do everygame currently. I dont even play the mode due to how badly it focuses on RNG and abusing the meta

all i see is fucking jinx and brawlers, literally see 5 players trying to go jinx brawler comp

Maleagant2 votes

Although I've only watched a couple streams so far and not been able to get on pbe to try it myself, my only complaint with set 2 is the move away from actual lore based origins and to very generic idea like light/ocean/etc, I feel like the same thing could have been accomplished while keeping with the lore based origins themes. Switching a champs origin/class based on a skin is fine with me, the complete revamp of the champion selection is fine, keeps things fresh while fleshing out what seems to be a wider range of options. If Kai'sa is out that is a little surprising but if they intend to move to a rotation cycle for champs I'm sure she'll be back.

Pycaso Deetus1 votes

I would not mind this change if it would me more gradual than radical. Instead of changing 180 degrees in 1 hour , a 180 degree change in 1 month or 2 is more to my liking. Adding while removing some pieces , origins and traits every week would be way more fun. And keep both 'sets' more relevant. Right now set 1 is boring. But how long until set 2 will get old? I give it a month , but let's wait and see.

Heroboy102 votes

Changing units and synergies for combat boring it's like change a shit with another shit. You will get bored again soon. The question is why this game is boring ?

Changing units and synergies to have a better way for balancing them can be a good reason, but RIOT should explain this.

I'm not going to learn other units knowing that in the future they will change them again to not let players to get bored.

So why is the reason for changing almost all units ?

For example: LoL used the same map 5 vs 5 for years with the same champs (2-3 new units per year) and a millions of players are not bored. Tactics not Dizzy-Dice. Tactics shouldn't lead to boring so easy (few months).

Posui Gart2 votes

Adding champions to what we already have is a great idea and I am all for it. But removing almost every champion we know of and basically doing an overhaul to the game mode in my opinion is stupid.

The more champions there is, the harder it is to build a certain champion rank3. The more synergies there are, the harder it is to get a certain synergy. They can't just limitlessly expand champion pool

Zed 'The Master of Shadows' is electric type when there is shadow

He is with his electric skin, so there is no actual shadow Same with others you listed

That does not even sound like work to me.

Well, what sounds like work for you? Leaving all previous units untouched and doing actually nothing?

Pycaso Deetus1 votes

I agree with you, having more units decreases the pool of level 3 units. But what about making them even stronger, so you get rewarded for actually having something level 3. How often have you seen yourself or other players lose with 3 or 4 lv 3 units on the table? In league of legends when zed equips the Shockblade Zed skin, he is still a shadow. Even in the TFT his ability leaves behind a shadow not electricity. I also didn't suggest to leave the game as it is. But gradual changes and reworks to some champions like Miss Fortune or Fiora to test the waters with new stuff I call work. Even the removal of some champions that just don't fit, I'm ok with that.

Kei1431 votes

They use skins gives them a method to introduce different origins/classes for the same champion.

E.g. Cutpurse TF is currently set as a Pirate/Sorcerer using Pick a Card . If they used Musketeer TF instead, then you probably would get a Noble/Ranger using his E and will be manaless.

Skins define the champion's origin, they did use wildfire zyra over dragon sorcerer for a reason.

Pycaso Deetus1 votes

This introduction of 'new' origins and traits just throw out of the window any logic. Zed - electirc . But kennen removed ... If this does not speak volumes I don't know what does.

Abandon1 votes

I'm not going to lie to you. I think the current TFT is absolutely pathetic. It's like a copy of DAC but just flat out worse. It's dictated by Riot's balancing decisions and the meta is ALWAYS enforced.

What they're doing now, using elements and adding their own flair to it actually impresses me. This looks MUCH more interesting than everyone copy pasting brawlers every game because that's how you gain elo. Autochess games are RNG by nature but that doesn't mean they can't be dynamic too. DAC did this well by making items much harder to build but making them feel much more rewarding if you saved up all the pieces to build something. They also implemented a lot of good standalone units like disruptor or medusa to give your team the necessary CC to counter an enemy line up. If the enemy team is all bunched up together, you could pull out an enigma to melt that closed off line up - making positioning much more important. In TFT the most you need to do for positioning is basically move your carries away from blitzcrank and position against assassins. That's it.

TL;DR - New TFT looks way more interesting/dynamic than the current TFT. I'm looking forward to how they go about balancing it. Summoners look very cool and reminds me of a comp I used to build in DAC.

Pycaso Deetus2 votes

Being unique, I'm always for that. But that does not mean it's always good. The addition of strong standalone units is something that TFT always needed and I agree with that. Very good point with disruptor and medusa. It can still be done to set 1 without an overhaul. Positioning in tft does not come with many options I must agree on that. 7x3 is not much space. The addition of another row of 7 hexes is great. Summoners seem like a copy and paste from dota auto chess. The summoned units don't even do anything special. It feels like those exist just for the summoner class to exist because the developers want. Just look at Furion and Venomancer copy -> paste = Malzahar and Zyra.

Abandon1 votes

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Being unique, I'm always for that. But that does not mean it's always good. The addition of strong standalone units is something that TFT always needed and I agree with that. Very good point with disruptor and medusa. It can still be done to set 1 without an overhaul. Positioning in tft does not come with many options I must agree on that. 7x3 is not much space. The addition of another row of 7 hexes is great. Summoners seem like a copy and paste from dota auto chess. The summoned units don't even do anything special. It feels like those exist just for the summoner class to exist because the developers want. Just look at Furion and Venomancer copy -> paste = Malzahar and Zyra.

Hey thanks for being polite in your response, I can definitely see where you're coming from. You like the current version of TFT and it feels like too much of a change to flip everything on its head, forcing you to adapt to whatever they decide. Honestly, I feel like this has been an issue with Riot Games for a while now... they rarely nail something on the first try and then proceed to continue changing things to people's dismay. I hope they're at least looking into feedback from players like yourself about the changes.

Heroboy101 votes

Posui Gart , The total number of units was increased from 48 to 51. The total number of synergies was increased from 23 to 24.

psyNone1 votes

For the topic "element", can you call "demon" a element?? or make it become a class?

Krof Noops1 votes

I honestly don't enjoy it anymore. It got too complicated and I don't enjoy the new classes or whatever they want to call it now.

Krof Noops1 votes

It was the first game my girlfriend ever liked and she has no interest in it anymore either... sad.

ChaosReyn1 votes

pfft.

TFT is doing fine. People have been saying LoL in general was going to die since like mid S3...maybe even before that.

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