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Honest Rengar talk.

Pycaso Deetus··1 votes·1,179 views

As an ex-Rengar main, the champion is horrible. Season 6 and start of 7 I was a hardcore Rengar main. Since then I haven't played league much, let alone the champion. Last days I tried him and went "try hard" few games just to see how he performs and let's say shit didn't turn out too good.

Here are some reasons Rengar is bad right now and how he got from the strongest champ to a weak one:

  1. Jungle is not in the best state, in my opinion.
  2. Removal of armor penetration and introduction of lethality.
  3. Gradual nerf + change to his core items.
  4. The introduction of a 600 gold zonya. (item 2420)
  5. The release/rework of champions with tons of dashes (Akali Irelia Kayn Pyke Sylas )
  6. The release/rework of champions with invulnerability and dashes (Ekko Evelynn Xayah).
  7. Damage reduction on more and more champions.

All those were indirect nerfs that affected the champion and he needs some compensation for that. He needs some quality of life buffs. Not damage, he has enough of that.

Here are the most needed buffs:

  1. **E cast time removed. **This is the single worst thing they ever did to him. Shortly after they added that the "1 shot" combo was ruined and I stopped playing him.
  2. Ferocity increased from 4 to 5 and is never lost when out of combat. This is something the champion desperately needs. The champion is bush and ult dependent. He lacks 1 of those and he is basically useless. Not losing his ferocity actually motivate rengar players to finish jungle camps with 5 stacks.

Any damage buffs are pointless. Personally I would rework him again. His kit right now, can't hold up to "modern" league of legends and never will without being OP.

To all the ADC mains. Before you complain about the damage of the champion remember: He is an ASSASSIN. Damage is his identity. Rengar not having damage is like an ADC having 125 attack range , or a rammmus not being tanky. Oh and on top of that you already have an anti-assassin ADC (Xayah )

To all the Rengar mains... There is nothing I can say to make you feel better. I'm sorry for you. Rengar is bad and he will probably never rise again in the near future with all these ADC cry babies.

To any other player: I'm open to any honest talk, objective and not subjective.

Edit: Damn those ADC mains slamming this post hard. If I would be an ADC main I would do the same, so I understand you.

9 Comments

Dynikus8 votes
  1. E cast time removed. This is the single worst thing they ever did to him. Shortly after they added that the "1 shot" combo was ruined and I stopped playing him.

If you can't do his 1 shot combo still, pretty sure the problem is with you and not the champion. Rengar is very very far from weak or bad currently. The changes he's had over the past couple years just took him from a braindead one shot machine to a champion that actually requires a bit of skill to pull off well.

Pycaso Deetus1 votes

If you can't do his 1 shot combo still, pretty sure the problem is with you and not the champion.

Haha , got me good. Don't jump to conclusions so quick. I stopped playing rengar because I didn't like his clunky combo , not because I "could not do it".

  1. You probably don't even play rengar. Why are you even talking about the champion if you know literally nothing about him except "he does damage".
  2. His old 1 shot combo was way harder
  3. These days the "new" 1 shot combo is way way easier. I had to reach 200.000 mastery point on that pile of junk to get the right timing and order of the abilities and items in a split second to do a real "1 shot" combo.

Your argument is null. I'm waiting valid arguments. Don't even bother reading what's down there, since you are not a rengar player I don't expect you to understand.

Let me give you some insight what old combo vs new combo mean. The present combo is: Press R, lock in your target , before you jump press q , while jumping press E and W , and after you land pres Q again. That's some "skill" you need to pull off am I right? If you haven't played the champ before, you can go do that right now.

The old combo was: make sure you have 5 ferocity stacks , Press R , Lock in your target, activate yommus, before you jump press Q , and while jumping press e , and before landing press hydra and W after you land pres Q again. Mess up the order , or timing and combo is ruined and target might survive. That sound easy enough right? Back than I thought the same.

Little Witchery2 votes

So the old combo is the new combo, but with one extra auto reset. Sounds so hard. I'm sure anyone who plays a Tiamat champion/Riven can do this.

DuskDaUmbreon4 votes

2 Removal of armor penetration and introduction of lethality.

They're the same thing. Lethality just has level-based scaling.

To all the ADC mains. Before you complain about the damage of the champion remember: He is an ASSASSIN. Damage is his identity

Damage is his identity. Simply one-shotting with little you can do (especially removing his goddamn cast times) is not supposed to be the identity of any champion.

Pycaso Deetus1 votes

Simply one-shotting with little you can do (especially removing his goddamn cast times) is not supposed to be the identity of any champion.

Assassin That's the identity and role of rengar. Than what should an assassin do? heal allies? Tank damage? I'm waiting on your answer. There is always something you can do. Like not going alone farming on a sidelane while you don't know where rengar is. And if he goes for a kamikaze kill on you, it's still a 1 for 1.

Edit:

They're the same thing. Lethality just has level-based scaling.

Now I noticed that you contradicted yourself. I can't even take you seriously. Don't even bother.

DuskDaUmbreon3 votes

Assassin That's the identity and role of rengar. Than what should an assassin do? heal allies? Tank damage? I'm waiting on your answer.

There's a hefty difference between "one-shot" and "one-shot with the opponent being completely unable to react".

There is always something you can do. Like not going alone farming on a sidelane while you don't know where rengar is.

"Never be alone" is not acceptable counterplay. If the only option to survive (read: Be able to get away from without having to burn more summs than he did, assuming you play the fight properly) something that isn't fed is grouping, then that champion needs to be reworked.

Also consider that I might not just be "alone in a sidelane". Consider that I might well be under inhibitor or inner turret.

And if he goes for a kamikaze kill on you, it's still a 1 for 1.

Gee. That'll be a great consolation prize. Meanwhile, I'm dead, and our team lost their DPS. Their team still has their DPS and tank. All they lost is a single burst champion.

Pycaso Deetus1 votes

Since we are in opposition I don't want to sound rude, since you are fairly nice to me in your reply.

Gee. That'll be a great consolation prize. Meanwhile, I'm dead, and our team lost their DPS. Their team still has their DPS and tank. All they lost is a single burst champion.

My first thoughts after reading this was and still is: "Are we playing the same game? How many games have you played?" That statement is very vague and generic and I could debate a lot just on that alone. I'll keep it short and vague like you. You could use the same sentence for any other assassin, with a twist , you die but the assassin does not. After rengar jumps into 5 people that's it, he can't jump out. Zed , kata , kha are 3 examples that come to mind that can do the same as rengar (kill you while you are with your team) but escaping instead of dying.

"Never be alone" is not acceptable counterplay. If the only option to survive (read: Be able to get away from without having to burn more summs than he did, assuming you play the fight properly) something that isn't fed is grouping, then that champion needs to be reworked.

"Never be alone" a real rule you should follow in league. That is general game knowledge. That does not apply only to rengar. In that case close to half of all the champions from league would need a rework based on what you said . You were talking about proper fight , I don't know what you mean by that. Think about rock paper scissor. An 0/0/0 ADC with 4000 gold should not be able to beat an assassin with the exact same numbers. Same goes for assassin vs fighter or bruiser. Unfortunately recent released ADC's got tools that can do that (the paper-ADC can beat scissor-Assassin).

To me you don't seem to like assassins or burst champions too much.

There's a hefty difference between "one-shot" and "one-shot with the opponent being completely unable to react".

Yet it so many champions do it way better than rengar. Here are some examples: Kayn, Hecarim, Diana, Lee , Kha, Veigar with just pressing R. All these examples are from my games, stuff that I have done. And some happened to me, and I bet there are many more. The Veigar example is absurd, literally point and click kill. What is the counter play there? stay out of range right? To me that's fair enough.

And by the way, a non-feed rengar can not 1 shot you right now (less than 1 sec). He can kill you fairly quick (2-3 seconds) with few extra autos if you don't run away, but that's not "1 shot" anymore. If you try to tell me otherwise you are either lying or don't know what you are talking about.

Jimmy Rustles4 votes

Yea Rengars not weak in the slightest currently

So, hard pass on him getting the slightest buff

Pycaso Deetus1 votes

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Yea Rengars not weak in the slightest currently

I gave you facts and explanations. Your argument is null unless you explain. Explain why rengar is not weak. Back up your words. If he is strong explain why. Be fair , if I was not fair explain why I wasn't. Go in as much detail as you need. I'll read it all.

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