I hope they nerf Mark/Dash

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So, I posted a couple days ago about a change that's already on PBE. The damage is being split between between Mark and Dash. It will only hit for about 1/3 on Mark now and 2/3 if you commit to Dash.

The spell is too "pokey" in its current state, which isn't the goal. This tweak should help address that while still giving tools to champs that want to gap close.

As I stated the other day as well, we're keeping on eye on the spell (cooldown in particular) and will adjust things as needed.

Then you aren't listening to players.

They want it removed.

When even 50% of the population of customers don't like Mark/Dash then you don't continue to experiment in a live setting until you get it correct.

It really shouldn't be the way business operates.

Well maybe Comcast.

Please please PLEASE nerf the stupidly low cooldown as well. As long as the Mark snowball still has the 20 sec cooldown the entire game turns into dodging snowballs. Giving it a cooldown of 30-45 (or longer...) will make players have to decide "huh maybe i should save this for when i actually want to dash" instead of just having free poke, even if the damage is lower.

EDIT: I mean, personally I'd like to see it removed entirely, but I'd settle for it being nerfed hard enough that it becomes a more situational pick, only 1-2 players max on a team take it. As it stands the entire game is a snowball fight.

the damage is one thing, but that really is not the issue. It is the ridiculous range that is the problem. It was fine in poro king because it was meant to be a playful environment where ridiculous stuff takes place. This is regular howling abyss though. Its range should be no greater than nidalees javelin toss if not less. It is supposed to help the range challenged champs be more viable by helping them close the gap. When that gap is wide enough to be traversed from the fog of war its... well... don't you think that is a bit overkill?

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So, I posted a couple days ago about a change that's already on PBE. The damage is being split between between Mark and Dash. It will only hit for about 1/3 on Mark now and 2/3 if you commit to Dash.

The spell is too "pokey" in its current state, which isn't the goal. This tweak should help address that while still giving tools to champs that want to gap close.

As I stated the other day as well, we're keeping on eye on the spell (cooldown in particular) and will adjust things as needed.

Have you guys looked at champion win rate stats at all? A lot of the champs who had really bad ARAM win rates haven't improved since the snowball came out at all, but people like Maokai have shot up from 50%+ winrates to 60%+ winrates. Do you really think a gapcloser is what the worst ARAM champs needed? I mean, considering Lee Sin has Mark/Dash on a basic ability and still has one of the worst ARAM winrates, it should be clear that gapclosers aren't all melees need to succeed on the Howling Abyss.

It's pretty worrying that you're even trying to fix it. As so many have stated the ability to engage is almost never an issue.

At this point I'm convinced you're just trying to force the spell to work over giving ARAM effective balance changes.

Oh it's the magical "ARAM only accounts" argument again.

So I'm sitting here playing aram regularly with diamonds and plats, I have all but 16 champs, and I'd run into god poke once out of maybe, MAYBE, every 20 games. Did god poke happen? Sure. Was it BS when it happened? Absolutely! But the reality of it was that even when the other team got some of the god poke on their team you'd most likely have an answer to it, be it decent poke and hard engage or your own god poke. Very rarely was ARAM ever completely 1 sided. But you were up against entire teams of these mythical aram only accounts for every single one of your games, right? That's some crazy bad luck.

But for everybody else, because you hated dodging poke you think the correct solution is to put even longer range poke on an extremely short cooldown that gets rid of any strategy in aram and makes ADC's and every none extreme poke squish and every non hard engage completely unviable. You hated dodging poke out of 1 in 20 games so the solution to you is to put it on every champ in every match?

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I'm a big fan of it being in the game. ARAM was getting really stale with so many ARAM only accounts, and queue dodgers. I could see raising the cool down to 30s and making the color a purple void thing or something. It's a nice change though for those of us who own all the champs.

I'll be one to admit when ARAM first came out I only bought the champions that were good on ARAM. But it gets boring and I liked ARAM because it forces you to play champions that you may not know how to play, so I own every champion now. I suck on quite a few melee champions but thats my fault and I have friends that can play them and we totally rock the enemy teams even if the enemy team is ARAM accounts. I really don't think mark/dash was needed in ARAM I think more people need to learn how to work as a team and play those melee characters right. Mark/Dash just breaks anyone who is good at those champs and makes it so other players don't learn how to play the champs right and engage properly. It also make towers have nearly no threat and you can't really counter it (yes I know its called dodging but you can't control other players or even worse your own minions they betray you now <.< ). Most if not all melee champions already have some type of engage/pull so now fights are more like this... Engage with mark/dash, enemy uses disengage, you use your normal engage skill, walk with enemy till they die, or vice verse. In my opinion most of these champions that depend on their single disengage skill are now no longer viable in ARAM and tanks/melee champs no longer need their team since you can no longer poke them down cas they stand way in the back, heal up, and wait till they get a mark/dash hit to guarantee an engage. My friends and I had slowly been increasing our champion/skin pool but since mark/dash has entered the game type we've agreed not to play LOL in general until it is removed or really really nerfed.