Time Travel possible in Valoran?

SaltyToplaneGoat·May 11, 2015·2 votes·883 views

Ekko's video showed us some nice stuff. But we all forget the most important thing: Zaun (and probably Piltover) are researching time travel. And they seem to have some success with it.

Maybe this is how they gonna do the Retcon? Old lore = Old timeline, New lore = new timeline and stuff? That would be an actually nice way to cover it up - while also having an excuse for mirror matches in normal mode xD (Old timeline version VS new one ^^)

Also the Urgot rework seems awesome tho xD(I really, really, hope it's an Urgot rework Q_Q We have waited for so long...)

37 Comments

SharjoMay 11, 20155 votes

Time-manipulation has been a thing since the release of the game with Zilean. Plus according to Vel'Koz the Urtistani had magic-technology capable of manipulating time. They've said the game isn't linked to the lore anymore, so nothing about Ekko is likely to absolve the retcon.

Also that's almost certainly not Urgot. Just a dude with a giant mechanical gauntlet and a rebreather. A Zaun thug/murderer.

SaltyToplaneGoatMay 11, 20151 votes

Well, but it was thought of Zilean being a rather... unique case. A single individual more cursed than blessed with this power... Like this we have actual TIME-TECH! IN ZAUN! Not just some old stuff lying around in some clock tower no one visits apart from that one time the flying spagetti monster came by.

We are talking about ZAUN here, who can be seen on the same level as piltover if not even more advanced in fields of "unethical" research...

There's a limit to what one magician can do. Even if it's Zilean. If we are talking about Time-Tech on the other hand...

SharjoMay 11, 20151 votes

I personally assumed, since Vel'Koz told us of time tech or whatever it is, that Zilean's condition is in fact a sort of like radiation poisoning, but a time equivalent. Like being too close to a nuclear reactor without the proper protection kinda kills your body, but in this case, it warps your own sense of time and place within it, leading to a magical disease that traps you in time.

Who's to say that in expeditions this Urtistani time tech wasn't discovered? I imagine folks wondered about time manipulation for a while, but when stuff like that is discovered in an ancient civilisation, it'd get people really worked up. The device Ekko has may (and I stress may) have origins or be based off of the designs of Uristani technology, if that was a thing.

SaltyToplaneGoatMay 11, 20151 votes

Urtistan Tech being found and rebuild by Zaun actually makes sense... After all this is how science works: take what's there and build on that.

I wonder how they could have improved that technology until now...

SharjoMay 11, 20153 votes

Depends on how much time they've had with it. The Shurima desert is a vast place filled with dangers, who knows how long it took to find Urtistan, how long it took to get stuff back up north, and how much was lost in the sands along the way.

SaltyToplaneGoatMay 11, 20151 votes

You are missing something here: there could have also been tech outside of urtistan before it got destroyed that found its way towards Zaun somehow.

Also the group that destroyed the village probably also stole a lot of the tech, probably to sell it at some point. And where do you sell weird tech you have no idea how it works? Only Piltover and Zaun come to mid... well, more Zaun since they will ask less questions about where you got that stuff...

SharjoMay 11, 20152 votes

Keep in mind though that Urtistan has been a ruin for centuries, and likely predates both Piltover and Zaun. Even if they found technology outside of the main city in Urtistan (which is highly likely, Urtistan was likely a nation of its own), it could've have been apocryphal to the point of being un-usable, and how many records detailing the construction and usage of such technology would have survived? All big questions. Even if some tech was sold and changed hands over decades and then fell in to the hands of a techmaturgical scientist, how much could they gain from something so apocryphal?

God I love that word. Apocryphal.

Kerrigan 4 PrezMay 11, 20152 votes

I want to point out something right now, Ekko cannot travel through time. He can only go back to a set time, which is a little different. How do i know, the fact that he kept going back to the time where he started fighting Urgon( and yes I am calling the metal man Urgon now). Why not go a bit before and run. And it appears that it also doesn't involve resetting time, since he kept the injuries. What it is don't ask me, i just know he can't actually travel, yet.

Ebonmaw DragonMay 11, 20151 votes

I doubt that its Urgot Rework... mainly because Urgot its supposed to be an "ADC" (or marksman) ... but the guy in the video seems like a melee fighter.

However, about the time travel.... Technically, in the present Valoran is not possible (without counting the short time travel that Ekko does)... but in the Future, it is... After all, Pulsefire Ezreal its supposed to be Ezreal from the future that time traveled to the present (I know that skins are not Cannon, but anyways...).

SaltyToplaneGoatMay 11, 20151 votes

Well, Urgot was never intended as an ADC. He simply went bot because his kit countered most adcs by default. More of an slightly tanky AD-Caster and I can see this being a more interesting take on the cyborg-abonimation-theme than his current form.

Also, it would fit into lore as urgot can simply be "upgraded"...

TheGrandAllianceMay 11, 20151 votes

LoL interesting theory... wouldn't be first time a Video Game Company sunk their franchise of of pre-textual "Time Travel" complexities (looking at you Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor).

SaltyToplaneGoatMay 11, 20151 votes

It's a nice way to bring in new things when you run out of possibilities to tell a good story. I don't even blame the for it. Actually, I might even agree on it since it doesn't simply "scrap" old lore and makes even the retcon itself part of lore.

I comics they started doing that in the seventies I think. Using alternate timelines and parallel worlds so they could create their heroes anew somehow...

TheGrandAllianceMay 11, 20151 votes

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I comics they started doing that in the seventies I think. Using alternate timelines and parallel worlds so they could create their heroes anew somehow...

Yes, and only a tiny "nerd" population of Earth even cared about comics until Marvel got smart and "standardized" everything into one "Universe".

"Normal" people don't have the time of day to try to figure out 12389473 versions of the same story.

SaltyToplaneGoatMay 11, 20151 votes

Uhh, right now Marvel consists of at least THREE OR FOUR different main universes right now. (although that will end now after "Secret Wars" from what I have heard). Even one more if you count in Deadpool (since Deadpool is detached the the canon marvel universes, so he can still do whatever the hell he wants...)

And even DC has done some really weird stuff with timelines before (and is STILL doing it). Just read "The Flash" since that dude's power is pretty much time manipulation...

TheGrandAllianceMay 11, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zMlpnf35,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-11T00:48:19.746+0000)

Uhh, right now Marvel consists of at least THREE OR FOUR different main universes right now.

I am referring to the one "Universe" that makes all the Billions of $$$ at the Box Office... the Avengers, Thor, Agents of Shield, Captain America, Iron Man, Guardians, ones.

Spiderman remakes only go so far... and only reason it/X-men were separate because they were published by other companies (20th Century Fox/Warner Brothers) and contractual obligations delayed their entry into current "Master" lore universe.

SaltyToplaneGoatMay 11, 20151 votes

Spiderman movies were also not done by marvel. That dude is getting rebooted in Civil War.

Also, wow, so we do have multiple universes but we are just going to ignore them because we don't have any movies yet? What a... wise way of argumentation, really... *irony off

TheGrandAllianceMay 11, 20151 votes

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Spiderman movies were also not done by marvel. That dude is getting rebooted in Civil War.

Also, wow, so we do have multiple universes but we are just going to ignore them because we don't have any movies yet? What a... wise way of argumentation, really... *irony off

No my original argument which I will repost is that; yes there are many Marvel Universes based upon comics and the like, but only ONE of them has Mass Market appeal to "the 7 billion+ humans of Earth" and not only the "nerd population". Normal moviegoers don't have time for all the random, and usually unjustified complexities, that exist in general with comics.

We therefore "ignore" them because they don't make $$$ like "The Shield" universe does. Can a company mess up its own lore? Can Star Trek be ruined yet? But does it have long term staying power and legitimacy? The answer to that is no.

SaltyToplaneGoatMay 11, 20151 votes

So, the dumb american movie goer is the thing we measure this?

Good thing I live in Europe then, the conditions over there must be horrible. Here we got tons of people who came out of the movies and were like: "Lol that was awesome... but how does the story go on?" and then go to the next comic store, look around a little, find the titles they like and simply dive into the universe(s). It might be too complex for you 'murican people, but over here we deal with this "unjustified complexitied" quite chilled. ^^

"Nerd Population" my ass - that's WAY in the past. Comics are mass media by now, especially since they have seen a MASSIVE rise of quality in the last decade.

TheGrandAllianceMay 11, 20151 votes

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So, the dumb american movie goer is the thing we measure this?

"Nerd Population" my ass - that's WAY in the past. Comics are mass media by now, especially since they have seen a MASSIVE rise of quality in the last decade.

LoL yes... my point is that when organization (such as RIOT) cause too many problems it turns people off. It isn't because they are "dumb"; rather the opposite, it is simply that they are "socially intelligent" enough to recognize bullshit when they see it. The "nerd" population (usually as a result of the "Autism" theory) are not able to see bullshit when it happens in other words.

SaltyToplaneGoatMay 11, 20151 votes

More like "I'm too stupid to understand... uh... THAT'S STUPID COMPLICATED!" It's the same reason there are people reading Shades of Grey and then there are people reading ACTUAL literature.

Did you just... Set "Nerd" and "Autism" the same? You know that one thing is a severe condition and the other is a social stigma? DO YOU EVEN HAVE ANY FREAKING IDEA WHAT YOU ARE EVEN TALKING ABOUT?

TheGrandAllianceMay 11, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zMlpnf35,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-11T01:34:29.611+0000)

More like "I'm too stupid to understand... uh... THAT'S STUPID COMPLICATED!" It's the same reason there are people reading Shades of Grey and then there are people reading ACTUAL literature.

Did you just... Set "Nerd" and "Autism" the same? You know that one thing is a severe condition and the other is a social stigma? DO YOU EVEN HAVE ANY FREAKING IDEA WHAT YOU ARE EVEN TALKING ABOUT?

First of all: Messing with the time of stories simply to reset things because you may think "its fun" doesn't add any value, is logical; nor is needed, nor justified.

And yes... Autism (especially Aspringer's Syndrome)==NERD. The definition of nerd is someone who is socialy inept (reason they are outcasted by others) because of their inherent inability to understand social situations and emotional cues of other humans. This is also the definition of some Autism forms.

Like it or not... Nerds have problems, and although it isn't prety, nor a convenient truth, "NERDS" must work extra hard to stay "on top".

In fact the TBS show "King of the Nerds" (regardless of your general opinion on it) led me to reconsider this logic over last few years and came to this conclusion after research of the matter. Nerds are simply people who do not understand "social interactions" and therefore are inherently disabled.

Therefore they are likely to do random shit like completely fuck up the Lore without understanding the "emotional" elemental impact it has to people.

SaltyToplaneGoatMay 11, 20151 votes

Holy shit, I'm not even sure where to even start with so much goddamn stupidity.

A "nerd" is someone who likes certain stuff. Games, comic culture - it's more of a social stigma that started out as bullying on younger age some decades ago. Oh, what? Bullied people have some problems with social stuff? WHO WOULD HAVE EVER KNOWN THAT?!

Autism is a disease with a genetic cause, actively CHANGING THE WAY YOUR BRAIN WORKS (by removing the priority filter for impressions and stuff).

Aspergers Syndrome can be something that ACCOMPANIES autism, but is not a form of it. Holy, read it up, your half-knownledge is embarassing.

And I think I can assure you, the brains of most "nerds" work just fine. Probably better than YOURS I might add...

The "Nerd" is a construct, used to describe people with certain hobbies and interests. Don't you even DARE to put that ton of people into the "mentally damaged"-corner.

TheGrandAllianceMay 11, 20151 votes

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Holy shit, I'm not even sure where to even start with so much goddamn stupidity.

The "Nerd" is a construct, used to describe people with certain hobbies and interests. Don't you even DARE to put that ton of people into the "mentally damaged"-corner.

All I have to say to this is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerd

/caseclosed

You can disagree with the Wikipedia entry if you wish... but alas NERD by definition==Autism. The entire Wiki page explains this in detail: I am sorry that your understanding of "nerd" is not what others consider it to be but alas...

SaltyToplaneGoatMay 11, 20151 votes

"Nerd (adjective: nerdy) is a descriptive term, often used pejoratively, indicating (...)"

"A derogatory term (also pejorative,[1] derogative, term of abuse, or term of disparagement) is a word or grammatical form expressing a low opinion of someone or something, or showing a lack of respect for someone or something (...)"

So... insulting people as possibly socially inept does actually MAKE them that? So if I call you a big steaming pile of shit, does this automatically make you a stack of fecals? Dude, if you use Wikipedia at least do it so you can't be disproven in less than a few lines with the same article...

TheGrandAllianceMay 11, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zMlpnf35,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-11T02:05:09.395+0000)

So... insulting people as possibly socially inept does actually MAKE them that? So if I call you a big steaming pile of shit, does this automatically make you a stack of fecals? Dude, if you use Wikipedia at least do it so you can't be disproven in less than a few lines with the same article...

"Derogative" or "insulting" doesn't mean it isn't true: It means it is "emotionally charging". And that is because people who "are nerds" continue to deny themselves and therefore the insulting nature is relative.

(FROM WIKIPEDIA)

Nerd (adjective: nerdy) is a descriptive term, often used pejoratively, indicating that a person is overly intellectual, obsessive, or socially impaired. They may spend inordinate amounts of time on unpopular, obscure, or non-mainstream activities, which are generally either highly technical or relating to topics of fiction or fantasy, to the exclusion of more mainstream activities.

Medical and mental disorders

Nerdiness is often compared to one or more medical disorders.

Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder symptoms, such as showing extreme interest in rules. Sensory processing disorder due to the low muscle tone and problems with communication. Asperger syndrome, due to the tendency to engage in intense, specific, obscure, or intellectual interests and to experience difficulty in social situations.[31] Temple Grandin, who has Asperger syndrome, has been quoted as saying, "Nerd is another word for Asperger's.'[32]

ZakennayoMay 11, 20151 votes

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"Derogative" or "insulting" doesn't mean it isn't true: It means it is "emotionally charging". And that is because people who "are nerds" continue to deny themselves and therefore the insulting nature is relative.

Could you please kill yourself.

You're worthlessness in life is showing.

And you being dead would bring the world one step closer to having less dumbfucks.

TheGrandAllianceMay 11, 20151 votes

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Could you please kill yourself.

You're worthlessness in life is showing.

And you being dead would bring the world one step closer to having less dumbfucks.

Mates I am not trying to be insulting... I am simply attempting to demonstrate the common definition of "nerd", why things such as comics are not popular until adjustments are made, and further illogical adjustments will ruin things and make them "nerd" again.

I am not asking for you to kill yourself so please show at least some tact and not be the poster for the "nerd" definition (inability to understand social situations): If you want to be a nerd that is fine in otherwords.

UomoAfideMay 11, 20151 votes

I'm afraid you have difficulties understanding the difference between Psychological and Congenital problems.

The Bearded BardMay 11, 20151 votes

Why do people want reworks for champions they don't play? Like some people actually enjoy those champions, and then it gets ruined by people like you that don't play them, yet ask for changes.

Champion reworks are never made to benefit those people that play the champions.

TheGrandAllianceMay 11, 20151 votes

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Why do people want reworks for champions they don't play? Like some people actually enjoy those champions, and then it gets ruined by people like you that don't play them, yet ask for changes.

Champion reworks are never made to benefit those people that play the champions.

They don't play them because they are broken. If they were "fixed" they would play them.

The Bearded BardMay 11, 20151 votes

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They don't play them because they are broken. If they were "fixed" they would play them.

What's broken about Urgot?

What was broken about Maokai? (Bad example, he was an extremely strong top laner, but they reworked him to be a top laner instead of a jungler, soooo obviously they missed their mark there)

What was broken about Heimerdinger?

Viktor?

Ryze?

TheGrandAllianceMay 11, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Maokai,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zMlpnf35,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2015-05-11T01:07:35.036+0000)

What's broken about Urgot?

What was broken about Maokai? (Bad example, he was an extremely strong top laner, but they reworked him to be a top laner instead of a jungler, soooo obviously they missed their mark there)

What was broken about Heimerdinger?

Viktor?

Ryze?

Well I didn't follow your original post... no Urgot Maokai are not broken they are used by LCS teams all the time.

Champions that ARE broken in Season 5 (and really forever) are ones like Fiora .

SaltyToplaneGoatMay 11, 20151 votes

I played him, ages ago, liked his theme, but was disgusted by the horrible execution - as well of how horribly clunky his gameplay is. So I picked up playing champs that have a good theme and a good execution while being fun to play. Nami and Sion in my case.

NarasimhaMay 11, 20151 votes

From what we can see in the video, it seems the time travel technology is incredibly limited. Its a start, but I think Zilean is still years (time joke, ohohoho) ahead of it. Limits:

Only works on the user
Does not remove damage or effects done to user
Has a limit to how far back it can go.
Has to be manually activated

SaltyToplaneGoatMay 11, 20151 votes

Damage IS removed. I think he just gets some "phantom pain" after actually getting his bones broken...

Right now ot works like: set bookmark in time -> jump back to that point. But let's keep in mind that this could only be the VERY BEGINNING of Time-Tech. Just remember the very fist computer... and now compare where we are NOW ^^ Also, he's just a street brat, not a scientist with tons of equipment and research material at hands...

NarasimhaMay 11, 20151 votes

Damage IS removed. I think he just gets some "phantom pain" after actually getting his bones broken...

No, it would have to be more substational that that. Compare his fighting stances before and after his arm is broken. If it were just pain, he'd probably be able to work with it. But he doesn't seem able to use the arm at all. It would be easier to tell if there were wounds or blood or anything, but I suppose that would be a bit too much for the video.

SaltyToplaneGoatMay 11, 20151 votes

Can I honestly ask you, if you have EVER broken a bone? I can tell you something: IT HURTS LIKE FUCKING HELL.

That dude got his arm SMASHED and you wonder why his fighting stance changes? The initial pain is enough to knock a man out at some points... on top of that comes mental&corporal exhaustion that time travel could cause. The body sets back in time, but the mind doesn't. I can see repeated usage of that stuff being EXTREMLY exhausting to the user...