I just realized just WHAT Dr. Mundo is...

SaltyToplaneGoat··32 votes·4,678 views

There are not many purple folks in this game, and as I can say with certainty that he is neither yordle nor fae, that leaves only one connection: Jax.

Now how does an Icathian baby, of a civilication that is said to have died out due to their void connection long before the fall of the Shuriman Empire, end up in the lowest levels of Zaun? That is like, several thousand milea and a few centuries to get past, absolutely impossible, especially for a baby, even if it was abnormally strong and seemingly immortal.

My theory is that this must have been a side effect of the fall of Icathia. The void is a plane beyond time and space, so being in there for a month without an anchor to your entrance point in reality, and then leaving again at a random point, could totally throw you into a different space and most importantly, a different time. And it would most likely make you insane. I think the fact that Mundo went through that as a baby saved him in some regard: you can't get insane when you don't understand anything by default and have neither a sense of object permanence nor a fully developed sentinence. Sure, it made him bonkers for years to come, that's for sure, but not in a way that Void-worshippers are (who I suspect to be like cults from lovecraftian literature - pretty fucking crazy)

So baby Mundo fell into the Void. Now, how did he get out again?

And this is where Zaun comes into play - and the lowest levels of it, where all random toxical spill and refuse gathers to form who knows what. Twitch came from it. Zac's entire existence is thanks to that. And it wouldn't have been so weird if some shit just came together in a REALLY wrong way and opened a temporary Void portal - a portal so absolutely disgusting no Voidborn would even WANT to cross it, but whgen talking about little kids there is one thing you can sure of: take your eyes of them for one darn second and they are about to put the most disgusting thing into their mouth they gonna get their tiny hands on - bonus points if it could potentially kill or injure them. So we have baby Mundo in the void, the disgusting portal opens for only a really short time before it falls apart again, and it doesn't even take long and he crawls into it and ends up in Zaun.

And the rest of the lore is what we could read now.

However, I doubt that his powers are Void-related and more of a Icathian thing. For a long time their civilication and their power was build on the Void, so I guess they bargained some powers out for their people, even if it meant their doom in the long run. These could be genetically passed, although deformities could occurr of course, explaining why Jax has no five fingers, but often came with impressive strenght, a lack of sense for pain as well as rapid regeneration that turned tha lack of pain from a sensorical weakness into an actual strenght.

I kinda want to see Jax meeting Mundo now... he'd be amazed that another Icathian exists - and mourn the state that he is in...

56 Comments

Ebonmaw Dragon61 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zEHiQiLm,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-01-26T22:08:48.552+0000)

So baby Mundo fell into the Void. Now, how did he get out again?

He can enter the Void and leave because Mundo goes where he pleases.

SaltyToplaneGoat10 votes

OF COURSE!

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Wait, he couldn't walk at that point probably, only crawl. Or does that too fall under "going somewhere"?

Mecha Syrena16 votes

If you are driving somewhere in a car you are still GOING somewhere. Mundo goes, goes is a place holder for a mode of transportation, it is a non defined way of traveling. Going does not mean walking.


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SaltyToplaneGoat6 votes

Well it's not exactly the same in the german language, "gehen" (going, walking) cannot be used as freely here. Maybe that's why I was a bit confused.

On another note: I want the Writers to put Mundo into all further lore events from now on with some bullshit explanation, as he just walks into the lore of other people because he goes where he pleases. Ionia? He fell asleep on a ship after a long day of medical work (curing a sailor's scurvy - by smashing their face). Demacia? MUNDO ON HIS WAY TO MEDICAL CONGRESS TO BECOME BETTER DOCTOR! Zaun? MUNDO GO HELP SOLDIERS! MUNDO GOOD DOCTOR! MAKE ALL SOLDIERS HEALTHY! The Void? MUNDO SEE PURPLE INFECTION! MUNDO OPERATE YOUR EYE NOW! to Velkoz

God the more I think about this, the more hilarious it gets.

Skelenth1 votes

Space? MAN THOUGHT HE WAS A STAR DRAGON! MUNDO CLIMBED ON BACK TO BEGIN SURGERY!

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

DrMundo MAN NAMED SOL OBVIOUSLY CRAZY! AND WAAAAY TO BIG. MUNDO MUST CUT HIM BACK TO NORMAL SIZE!

Mecha Syrena1 votes

My primary language IS German, so i know that a direct translation isn't possible unless you use moving (bewegen) as a valid "direct" translation

While gehen and going seem like they are the same its not quite as similiar as für and for

Cyber HeroXL1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zEHiQiLm,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-26T22:12:09.806+0000)

He can enter the Void and leave because Mundo goes where he pleases.

HE SAID IT! THE ABSOLUTE LEGEND!

Wrathof3008 votes

I like this theory! A lot! It provides building for the background connection between Icathia and the Void. I have my doubts about a void portal opening in Zaun.. but I would love if any part of this theory came true.

SaltyToplaneGoat5 votes

Well while I am sure there is at least one crazy scientist who does Void-research, I think this is more onto the "chemical freak accident" side.

The Icathians opened a portal from this side as a well, so there are ways, magics and substances required to do that. And if all of that randomly comes together, it also works somehow. Althought it is VERY random. Like, you can put a monkey in front of a typewriter and 99,9999% he will type is nonsense. But in this random typing he might accidentally type a page from Shakespeare's Hamlet. Not very likely to happen, but not impossible. The same thing happened here I guess.

Either that, or the Void kinda "rejected" him and spit him out somewhere random, which just happened to be Zaun. Wouldn't be too weird if Icathians were immune against Void-posession and stuff like that what happened to Malzahar.

Other explanation: the void portal was opened from the void, the Voidborn smelled the Zaun air and were like "NOPE!" and closed it again... but I doubt that this is a very realistic take on the Void...

Mecha Syrena1 votes

A tornado wont form an airplane out of metal junk lying around.

SaltyToplaneGoat6 votes

No but a mix of highly unstable chemicals und undeintifiable refuse might temporarly explode and tear a tiny temporary rift into the fabric of reality.

Well obviouly a tornado won't form any object, but mathematically speaking the chance is not zero, it's just less than 0,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%

Golden Tager X2 votes

They put monkeys in front of typewriters on time, they hit the s and j keys more than anything else, with a few other inputs.

Baron of Bread2 votes

He was dumped in front of an asylum, it is possible that something-something a bunch of insane people something-something better connection to the Void something-something so he appeared there. It would make sense with the common thematics of horrors beyond the mortal mind.

Wrathof3004 votes

It also explains why Mundo was unaffected by Ekko warping the time barrier.

SaltyToplaneGoat7 votes

Dude has been beyond time and space, his perception of all that must be quite impressive either as a side effect of the Void trip, or because of the icathian heritage - that's why he would also percieve Ekko as "repeating himself" and not just why he was immune to some attacks.

Placentas1 votes

Dude right! If anything that would solidify that Mundo is potentially Icathian

some degenerate4 votes

This is actually a very interesting theory; one that would provide a neat twist to Mundo for sure.

Maybe it doesn't even have anything to do with random Void portals. Zaun is a city that deals in unchecked and sometimes immoral experimentation - who's to say that some group of mad scientists out there weren't experimenting on Voidborn DNA and its potential corruption properties? Who knows?

Not only does it explain why his purple color and super-strength, but it also perfectly explains his unrelenting desire to give and receive pain towards so many he comes across, as all traditional Voidborn have some innate instinctual desire that drives their existence. (Vel'Koz constantly seeks knowledge, Kog'Maw has an insatiable appetite, Kha'Zix is constantly looking to perfect himself through genetic & evolutionary means and etc, etc.)

Papa Andrei3 votes

Wait a minute, Isn't Jax supposed to be the actual Baron Nashor?

In the old lore Baron Nashor was some sort of huge purple beast that terrorized a land, and what we see in the rift is what a Summoner had thought Baron Nashor was supposed to look like. (There was more to the theory but i forgot it.)

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

In the new lore Nashor seems to be void related, but that was just something from a promotional event on the merch store if I remember correctly. He would fit into the color sheme tho.

Papa Andrei1 votes

Im just thinking cause I haven't seen anything from Rito stating Nashor is now void related or some other beasty. Maybe i missed it.

Baron of Bread3 votes

When they were talking about the updated Rift they said that the left side of the map was kind of warped and degraded because of Baron Nashor's presence. I don't remember if they explicitly said "The Baron Nashor is from the Void guys," but it was pretty heavily implied.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Yeah I mean, gigantic purple monster that murders and eats everything in its path and looks like out of some sort of nightmare? Sounds pretty Void-y to me.

ahferroin72 votes

Summoners only kind of exist in the new lore, and the whole creation thing for Baron isn't exactly consistent (it involves the Institute of War, which officially doesn't exist now despite multiple references from champion lore because Riot doesn't understand how to do a proper retcon).

Papa Andrei2 votes

Well Summoners Rift still exists, and for all we know the terror of Baron Nashor still exists (or existed) so could still be true.

Baron of Bread1 votes

Are there still any lore pieces that reference the Institute?

ahferroin71 votes

Last I knew at least Jax and Lee Sin both have direct references. I'm pretty sure there are a handful of others too, but I can't name them off the top of my head.

Baron of Bread1 votes

Jax and Lee Sin have dropped their references. I think with Universe they cleaned them all out.

Epicurus2 votes

This was never canon, only a popular fan-theory. The facsimile-Nashor and the Summoners are both retconned now. Jax is canonically from Icathia now. His story on the Universe sight confirms it.

Meep Man2 votes

Never made that connection before, but this is true enough I guess. Perhaps we will discover more of Icathia in the coming time.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

As a Void event threatens the whole world, this cannot be done until all fractions are established. We need a Demacia/Noxus event before that, Kumungu, several small areas, Ionia, Bandle City and a patch-up on Freljord.

Means until it is relevant for a side story (Rek'Sai), there will be no lore information given.

After all you gotta establish a world first before you send it towards potential armageddon!

DragonShea2 votes

If riot confirms this. DAYUM O.O

SaltyToplaneGoat3 votes

I hope so, it is the most logical explanation I can come up with as of now ^^

LXII2 votes

"He continues his experiments to this day, even using himself as an experimental subject, as evidenced by his disfigured appearance and his... unique manner of speaking."

Pretty sure he's just a dude that ran too many experiments on himself, thus turning purple, huge, and goofy.

SaltyToplaneGoat9 votes

Nope, he was already purple as a baby according to new lore, as well as rapidly healing...

LXII2 votes

Oh, couldn't care less about "new lore" since they're basically just making stuff up for no reason at all, so I haven't bothered to read into any of it.

Placentas9 votes

Then why comment on a thread pertaining to the new lore...on the lore boards...lol

LXII1 votes

You may notice the title doesn't say "I think I know what Mundo is in the new lore". You may also notice that the front page doesn't care what board things are originally posted in, they all show up there.

I've seen some of your comments on other topics, might not be wise to try appearing superior to anyone with your track record.

Supreme Senpai696 votes

I-i mean... isn't it assumed it's the new lore? If new lore on Mundo just came out, and we're talking about Mundo's lore, you should assume that's what is being talked about. You can hate on the new lore if you want, even though it's.. miles ahead of anything we used to have. But people are obviously going to be talking about it lol

TequilaZombie7 votes

Well, any lore is "just making stuff up", but this new lore is actually better than the Old and has more connections between champions that are also more meaningful (and longer than 2 to 3 paragraphs).

LXII2 votes

True as that may be, the original lore is already established canon and written to go with the champs on release. It's not a bunch of stuff thrown together from hindsight to make sense with stuff that didn't exist at the time of their release.

I wasn't bashing it anyway, just saying that I personally don't give a damn about it.

SaltyToplaneGoat6 votes

When the previously established canon is shit, you gotta replace it. In all forms of long serial storytelling, that has a long tradition. Just look at comic books in the last 50 years - and mostly change has proven to be better, as it mostly has come for a reason.

And old LoL lore was shit. Scribbles made by amateur with neither talent nor vision, archetypes crudely mashed together... I'm glad they are fixing it right now...

Epicurus2 votes

Interesting theory, but I have a few counter-arguments.

I don't think Icathians are naturally purple. Jax is purple, but he's also suffering from some skin mutation, probably from exposure to the Void. Maybe Mundo is purple for the same reasons, but that doesn't make him an Icathian.

Also, if Mundo had actually been inside the Void, I think he would be drastically more inhuman than just "purple and insane". Check out Malzahar's forehead in his splash art: he's literally an empty husk, kept alive by pure energy, and he only looked into the void. If Mundo has actually spent time inside the Void, I think he'd be a bit more... tentacled.

I like your theory, I just think it's a bit far fetched when there is so much rogue magic and experimental science in Zaun that could explain Mundo's origin.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Welll Icathia was a city build at the very borderline of the Void. My guess is, that when originally the Icathians had been normal people, generations of living next to and with the void have changed their DNA and bodies, sometimes for good, sometimes for worse.

And I mentioned it in a post before, but what if Icathians were mostly immunue to void-posession? I mean, that would be like the one requirement for them to even live next to and with them - even if that didn't prevent the fall of their civilication in the end...

But it would explain why Mundo, despite everything, looks still kinda human

Supreme Senpai691 votes

Kassadin would be a good thing to think of for this conversation.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Hmmm but Kassadin was no born Icathian, so he's the prime example what happens when you get involved and try/manage to reject it. Meaning that rejection is possible, but not without massive corporal damage - unless of course you'd have a biological resistance, for example hyper-regeneration and restoration to block out all void influence...

Epicurus1 votes

Icathians being purple would make sense if they had generations of Void-exposure. But do they? I had assumed that Icathia was wiped out by a magical disaster, with Jax as the only known survivor. Prior to this disaster there has been no Void influence in Icathia, and afterwards there were no Icathians to be mutated. But that is just assumption. Confirmed details about Icathia are sorely lacking.

Awoof1 votes

I don't feel like you need to go through the Void to become what Mundo is in Zaun. Have your mother take in a few too many chemicals through the air or liquids, or Singed knows what else, and yeah.

And to be a real party pooper, he was already purple before Jax was related to Icathia and the Void. :P

SaltyToplaneGoat3 votes

Yeah, but before the new lore, he was purple because of self-experiments.

Now he is purple by default. And given that Jax's new lore came before Mundo's new lore, it is said that those two pieces of lore cannot - or should not - contradict each other, making the Icathia-connection the most logical one to make.

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