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Why did the horned woman leave Vayne alive that night? (Potential Darkin Lore?)

SaltyToplaneGoat··29 votes·3,595 views

I mean, you don't leave witnesses after a crime and even when you are a sadist you kill them after you've shown them your bloody masterpiece. No, this was done purely intentional, indicating that the horned woman has a plan for Shauna Vayne.

And she is also described as a demon. And what do demons do? They CORRUPT people. And when I look at Vayne who is a bloodthristy and sadistic killing-machine with a burning harted to all she even remotely suspects to be magical and who finds ENJOYMENT in the slaughter... well, it'd say the corrpution was a full success. She even killed her own adoptive mother and teacher without a second thought! It can't get many more obvious than this I think.

But was this "beautiful" horned woman truly a demon? Or maybe something else? There exists one other entity that influences and "inspires" humans to the point where they become brutal killing machines beyond imagination. Obviously, I'm talking about Aatrox here. A small faction of soldiers losing a war and traumatized and scared in the face of death and suddenly they win by just slaughtering everyone in blind rage? It is like someone utilitzed their suffering to change them, for what puropse I can't say - and the same might have happened in a smaller scope with Vayne.

Maybe different Darkin operate differently? One choses armies, the other picks a single "champion". But... why? Just what are the Darkin scheming? Or are they even working together? Or maybe even against each other? We clearly lack lore in this regard...

On another note I wonder how Vayne would react when she realizes that her entire life she had been the pawn of the one she hates with passion - and that this hate was completly predicted and planned? It's like realizing your entire life has been a lie - but after reading what she did to Frey I am not sure if I should even have pity with her...

42 Comments

Μegumin7 votes

This sounds right, it's kinda similiar to Aatrox and Tryndamere, Aatrox even have a quote for Tryndamere: "Tryndamere, my greatest creation.", or hinting something about Aatrox's goal: "This one's rage will shape the world."

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

And in parallel one could say "And this one's harted shall form it as well..."

Hmmm Rage, Hartred... makes two of the five. I assume at least one of the others is "Greed" as they seem to be utilizing the usually deemed "worst" aspects of the human existence, maybe a parallel to the seven deadly sins in our mythology?

Hmm going by the classical you'd have Sloth, Wrath, Lust, Greed, Gluttony, Pride and Envy - but these concepts are not necessarly harmful. Hartred and Rage however are way more concrete and obviously negative, the same applies to greed.

Makes you wonder what the "deadly FIVE sins" (going by five Darkin) are in this world. Rage and Hartred seem to be the first two. Greed is the third probably, but what are the other two?

SolarisCorvus1 votes

I dont think it can be greed though because otherwise that would mean a darkin is trying to create master pieces before tahm snatches them up and makes bargains with them.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Nah it's not like they work FOR Tham... he just eats the leftovers of the disasters they create. Tham lives of human flaw and despair, he#s not exactly trying to make people do something.

SolarisCorvus1 votes

True. I was just thinking of like a competition of who get to them first. But after rewatching Tahm's video he doesnt actually eat the gambler so it could be a symbios of sorts where tahm kinda leeches off that Darkin's work.

Auz the Ripper1 votes

On the other hand, Tahm could easily represent greed or gluttony in the seven sins pantheon; his VO does refer to Aatrox as "Brother" and the two are listed as allies on the official website. Aatrox's lore also definitely states there are only 5 Darkins so two of the sins can't be darkins.

Personally, my money's on tahm being greed, gluttony being too obvious. He devoured all that the gambler coveted instead of the gambler himself. He rewards and saves allies for their own greedy plays and punishes greed plays from his enemy heavily; but greed and gluttony have a heavy bit of overlap so either way.

Tattersall1 votes

See, I know that I once theorized that Tahm was a Darkin, and I know that someone on the boards was able to prove me wrong with references, but I also know that I've forgotten what those references were and what the proof was, which makes me think that I may have imagined the whole thing.

GreenLore3 votes

I'd say that its more "lust" in vaynes lore. After all the demon was described as lustful and vayne toys with her enemies because she considers it fun,which would be considered a form of lust.

Ralanr1 votes

So Darkin might become representations of the seven deadly sins?

Since 5 are left, I assume envy killed one and got killed in the process. Or they're making seven now.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Nah I think that this world has its own unique set of "sins", they are just similiar to the seven we have with the difference that apparently there are only five of them.

GreenLore1 votes

There are lots of possibilities: They could merge some sins together,I mean there really isn't that much difference between gluttony and greed and envy could also be split up among pride and greed. Or 2 of the darkin are dead for now(they could be revived later) Or we are just reading too much into it,as the 7 deadly sins almost always fit into demonic characters to some extend.

FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes

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Makes you wonder what the "deadly FIVE sins" (going by five Darkin) are in this world. Rage and Hartred seem to be the first two. Greed is the third probably, but what are the other two?

Well if we trade Rage with Wrath and Hatred with Envy, and Greed being a direct translation, maybe the 4th is some sort of Lust but for power?

Eternal7917 votes

I actually think the horned woman is Evelyn.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Eve however is not considered "beautiful" by common standards and she doesn't have horns I think.

Eternal7913 votes

We don't know what she's going to look life after her rework though. However, reading further into Vayne's bio, I take back my theory about it being Evelyn. I don't see her forming a cult around herself.

Oleandervine2 votes

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We don't know what she's going to look life after her rework though. However, reading further into Vayne's bio, I take back my theory about it being Evelyn. I don't see her forming a cult around herself.

You don't know what new Evelynn will be like though, and current Evelynn's lore is nearly 100% vague, so she's pretty much a blank slate.

Eternal7911 votes

True

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Not completly tho. Sure, a lot of it is vague, but she's a loner. I mean, when it came out that Vladmir made a cult in Noxus, I was like "yeah, that arrogant little shit obviously likes to have people worshipping him". It FITS him. Or the same with Elise.

Eve however... she kills, she feasts, she repeats - almost as if she's some kind of animal. Occasionally she earns something while doing that as an hired killer, but that's it.

She might be a vauge blank slate in many regards, but the few definign things we have tell enough to say that the woman in the story was not her.

Oleandervine1 votes

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Not completly tho. Sure, a lot of it is vague, but she's a loner. I mean, when it came out that Vladmir made a cult in Noxus, I was like "yeah, that arrogant little shit obviously likes to have people worshipping him". It FITS him. Or the same with Elise.

Eve however... she kills, she feasts, she repeats - almost as if she's some kind of animal. Occasionally she earns something while doing that as an hired killer, but that's it.

She might be a vauge blank slate in many regards, but the few definign things we have tell enough to say that the woman in the story was not her.

We have no defining things that tell us that this dampness is not Evelynn. Evelynn is a blank slate, as I said. We cannot judge her personality or current lore as being canon until her rework rolls out. And in terms of future possibilities, having Evelynn being an unearthly beautiful demon with horns and a lustful smile isn't that farfetched or crazy. And we don't know that she wouldn't have instigated her own cult.

GreenLore1 votes

What if that cult simply formed around her?In the end Vayne never confronts the demon,so it is possible that this cult just came into existence wether she liked it or not

Oleandervine1 votes

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Eve however is not considered "beautiful" by common standards and she doesn't have horns I think.

She currently doesn't have horns. But Galio's VGU team began work on her VGU after he dropped on the PBE.

Surr20plz1 votes

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I actually think the horned woman is Evelyn.

It is.

Evelumanti confirmed.

DragonShea1 votes

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I actually think the horned woman is Evelyn.

Evelyn is lustful but she doesn't have horns.

FineObamaSelf4 votes

It's Soraka

Duh

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

That would be... unexpected. But then again no one expects the banana...

Ràinbow3 votes

Reminds me of Claymore lol Priscilla being the demon that killed Vayne's parents (Teresa) Claire being Vayne Frey is Illena

Claire spends her days hunting Priscilla while also slaying Yoma that she encounters. Really great series if anybody is interested!

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

i loved claymore i just hated that annoying boy for most of it though he redeems himself in the Manga

Masala Chai3 votes

Perhaps Elise?

FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes

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Perhaps Elise?

thought so too

Sexy Jack Rabbit2 votes

All I don't understand is why the fuck this woman was "Lustful" and "Beautiful" Are y'all seriously that horny that Riot feels this need to include this kinda shit when talking about a murderous demon?

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Because in the story she's constantly described that way. And I think this is intentional: if her goal is to truly inspire hartred through tradegy and with her as the cause, she needs and appearance that is not easily forgotten. One that is noticed. One that literally imprints itself in the target's mind. But not in a negative way that could be appaling for people and they'd try to surpress the memory, but rather in a way that makes them both hated and subconsciously desired.

Note here: she's trying to play the villain role in this theory to make Vayne a "champion of harted" (just how Tryndramere is Aatrox' "champion of rage"). And hate is quite similiar to love, an intense fixation just with another sign before it. Fascinatingly the same brain areals are activated for love and hate, but let's keep the real world science out of Runeterra for now ^^

At the same time the beauty aspect can be used to fuel the harted by making the victim feel inferior to her in terms of beauty. Sure, I doubt that Vayne gives any two shits about her appearance, but in case she did she would have one more reason to hate the woman.

Sexy Jack Rabbit3 votes

It was rhetorical.

It's more ot less just a reason to create interest in a cheap way. Same with the excessive gore. Really it's just fetishistic appeal.

Sex appeal is a weak element to use, and excusing it because it's fantasy is a weak argument.

Fisher No Chains1 votes

In the previous lore I thought the evil woman was LeBlanc...

It could be her again, her "tiara" could be those horns and she's considered an attractive woman. Also, if you consider that LB is from Noxus and Vayne is from Demacia, it could make sense.

Can't wait for Urgot rework and new lore for Noxus.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

the evil women WAS leblanc since it list leblanc as her rival in the old lore also she was in the league to see how far the black rose had control

GreenLore1 votes

Vayne dislikes evil mages in general,which is why Leblanc was her enemy,not to mention that she also had Warwick and Vladimir listed as rivals.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

she was enemies with Vlad cuz i guess She looks like a vampire slayer and WW cuz silver bolts and werewolves.Leblanc is the "leader" of the black rose an organization that vayne has noticed and one of the reasons she joined the league of legends

ProtestantCaesar1 votes

I'm not convinced by your theory. What is there to go by that this demon is a Darkin? From Aatrox's lore, there are only 5 Darkin left. (Left. I also don't buy the theory that these Darkin are manifestations of deadly sins or anything like that.) From Shen's story, and the Lux and Garen story, there are a lot of demons in Runeterra. Only 5 of them even can be Darkin.

What is there to say that this horned demon is a Darkin? Circumstantial similarities to Aatrox and Tryndamere's story? Vayne also got mad when her parents were killed? I don't want to meet the child that wouldn't be upset if their parents were killed. Like Aatrox, they killed people? Not a great connection. This horned demon doesn't seem to share physical characteristics with Aatrox, either. I think Aatrox's horns are a helmet. (Unless Aatrox has asymmetrical appendages, he's wearing a gauntlet. The helmet and the gauntlet look alike to me.) The horned demon was never mentioned as having wings, either.

Why do I think the demon left Vayne alive? My guess is that the demon does what it wants to and didn't want to kill Vayne. Not because Vayne's special to the demon, but because Vayne isn't. Maybe the demon only kills couples or something like that.

Sagan Forever1 votes

I felt like she killed her parents herself, and then blamed it on a "demon" to remove her own guilt. That would explain why she would kill a mother figure so quickly, because she already killed her mother. The "beautiful" horned women is vayne's inner rage/anger that boiled in her until she killed her parents. She kills monsters now purely becuase that way she can roam th country side killing people without being arrested/killed. If she "normal" people somene like Garen would have to put her down, but magic users? she can kill as many as she pleases. Reading the bio's Garen killed because he was trying to protect others, while Vayne does it for fun.

GreenLore1 votes

Another thing I'd like to point out is that Aatrox calls Tryndamere his "greatest creation",so it does sound like he intended Tryndamere to become infused with rage,just like the horned demon might have intended Vayne to become corrupted.

Gear5Luffy1 votes

It left an impression on me also i was kind of hoping for that to be a cameo for the new champ that is supposed to be out soon before urgot

FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes

It would explain why she is so one dimensional

but another though before I read this post I thought that with this evidence:

"But was this "beautiful" horned woman truly a demon? Or maybe something else? There exists one other entity that influences and "inspires" humans."

The entitiy that came to my mind was Elise...simply because in her new lore she is supposed to be beautiful to the point of intoxication and she has horns. Why would she be in Demacia, i have no idea, but thats what I thought

With his post ur idea of that entity being a Darkin also sounds like viable idea and I really like the way u laid it out, especially the idea that different Darkin operate differently with this one inspiring a single champion, vs Aatrox inspiring armies.

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