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Riot removed garens punch animation on his VU because the animator thought it would be unrealistic

Critmaster Garen··4 votes·998 views

if i recall correctly, this was the official statement. he didnt think it would be realistic to hit your opponent with a gauntlet, when you have a gigantic sword in your hand.

ill just leave this here

http://na-leagueoflegends.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/dreadknight-garen.jpg

please tone it down a little on the shoulders. not just the splash art, but those monsters on his model aswell. (im talking about both, for all skins).

and maybe readd the punch animation. you said youd give fiora another look because her mains werent statisfied with the VU.

well, im not asking for another whole VU on garen, but some touch ups would be really nice and appreciated.

i already posted this a long time ago, but if realism is your concern, you could make the punch animation proximity based. its pretty realistic to hit your target with a quick jab in short range, rather than swinging a giant two handed longsword.

pretty please?

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Ralanr2 votes

Sion has a much meaner hook anyway.

Hige1 votes

hey those are real!! they're made of foam....

Decrit1 votes

guess is no use complaining about a change happened so much time ago, with different people at the desk

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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guess is no use complaining about a change happened so much time ago, with different people at the desk

i dont see that as a reason not to make a couple of fixes.

Decrit1 votes

because meh. Now he have it like this, we keep it like this. It does not sound like a fix anymore. Probably not many miss that and some do not even aknowledge its existance.

Also back at the time they had reasons to not do that. If said people does not work anymore at riot it can be costly to gather up why it was not done and eventually decide what to do. Probably he has not even the required assets to do a punch well done. Plus a bunch of QA across all skins, if they want to be at least a bit professional, must be done.

All of this for a punch.

At this point if i were a dev i would say "oh fuck it" and move on something else. Unless there is something in the works for Garen already so you can toss this feature in and call it a day.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

{quoted}

because meh. Now he have it like this, we keep it like this. It does not sound like a fix anymore. Probably not many miss that and some do not even aknowledge its existance.

Also back at the time they had reasons to not do that. If said people does not work anymore at riot it can be costly to gather up why it was not done and eventually decide what to do. Probably he has not even the required assets to do a punch well done. Plus a bunch of QA across all skins, if they want to be at least a bit professional, must be done.

All of this for a punch.

At this point if i were a dev i would say "oh fuck it" and move on something else. Unless there is something in the works for Garen already so you can toss this feature in and call it a day.

the problem is, when his VU was made, we made the same posts about the changes, and they have been ignored back then too.

now that riot seems to be willing to look at fiora again for the reason that her VU wasnt very well received, they might be willing to make some touch ups on the older VU's aswell.

like i said. im not asking for an entire rework again. just a small fixes and additions. i dont think its really a lot to ask.

there are things i liked about his VU even back then. his new voice over for example, and some of the special interactions with other champs. though, it would be cool if they built on that and gave him a bit more lines towards more champions. like taric, lux, and the other demacians, and maybe some of his rivals.

but some other things like giving him his current hair, the ridiculous shoulders, and making him generally more ragey, removing the punch are things i still dont like.

Decrit1 votes

we were not ignored, they themselves stated that it was unfitting for him. i don' t have any links at hand and i am just saying this from memory, but they replied in that regard.

also fora was changed while she was in development still. or are you saying that right now people want to chage her abit and riot decided to follow up in that? in that case then again is a better scenario than garen, because it is a more consistent change that can delivered better. resources as far as i know for riot are not a big problem, the problems are when they have to allocate said resources and the logistics around it. basically - the bigger the work, the lesser the overall cost.

GreenLore1 votes

I think it had more to do with the fantasy that Garen is supposed to represent.

Garen is pretty much THE knight of the game and punching your enemy with your fist isn't very fitting for that fantasy.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

I would argue spinning around like a top isn't really part of that fantasy either. And unlike spinning we actually have fechtbuchs showing armored grappling and hand-to-hand combat. Usually ending with getting out a knife and stabbing the enemy in the eyes, armpit, or groin, but still. Punching was a part of what they did.

GreenLore1 votes

And I know that punching was part of swordfighting to a certain degree,but that doesn't mean that it really fits the modern depiction of a knight(by that logic Shen,Akali,Kennen and Zed would also be very differently)

As for the spinning: Well at least he still uses his sword while doing it and it is one of his most iconic and important skills,so it would make a huge difference if that was changed compared to just one autoattack animation(and while the punch obviously has some fans as well,it is nowhere near as iconic as his spinning attack)

Critmaster Garen2 votes

{quoted}

And I know that punching was part of swordfighting to a certain degree,but that doesn't mean that it really fits the modern depiction of a knight(by that logic Shen,Akali,Kennen and Zed would also be very differently)

As for the spinning: Well at least he still uses his sword while doing it and it is one of his most iconic and important skills,so it would make a huge difference if that was changed compared to just one autoattack animation(and while the punch obviously has some fans as well,it is nowhere near as iconic as his spinning attack)

its not jsut about the punch. yes, i want the punch back.

but its also that his shoulders look ridiculously stupid. i mean i always thought darius had gigantic shoulders, but they made garens like 50% bigger than even that.

im not sure even wow characters have such large shoulder plates. come on, just look at the splash and tell me thats supposed to look cool.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

My argument was more to poke a hole at yours, really. I know that they're not going to change the attack or Judgment animations. I don't even know for sure if I think they should. But that doesn't change that the design of his animations honestly don't fit any knight I have ever seen in any fantasy or fiction or reality. Garen is his own beast, if he's supposed to bring about the fantasy of charging into battle like a knight, he doesn't really do a very good job of it. Even if, as a LoL game character he's fine.

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Quick jab would make sense, but champions in League don't do quick jabs, they have set attack speed, and set time for windup animation. Look how silly Naut looks when he smashes his target with this big AF anchor just to start punching them for no reason short while after.

MaxDarkwill1 votes

I recently tought back at that animation and I miss it . just felt like a complete bad ass when it happen. but hey sion punches now

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