@Riot: What are your plans for Morgana and Kayle?

SaltyToplaneGoat··3 votes·615 views

I think those two are the ones who suffered the most from the Retcon, leaving them with absolutely zero reason to even exist in Runeterra. They are pretty much on the same level as Taric with that, with the difference that Taric could be possibly from Runeterra all along as he is human. Suddenly intruducing a race of angels to the continent would be kind of... weird.

On top of that both of them need some updates regardinbg their gameplay, although on different scale. While minor changes could be enough for Morgana, Kayle will need a full Sion to bring her identity ingame even somewhat close to the lore.

But first we got to deal with the lore before we can even think about gameplay.

I'd personally like them to keep their otherworldy origin, probably Morgana entering Runeterra by accident while escaping her murderous sister. The moment she's there she finds political asyl in Noxus. Respectively, Kayle sides with Demacia, as they share the same "We are the good and all evil must perish"-ideology.

Or what plans do you guys have for these old champions?

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GreenLore1 votes

It was said that they'll remain otherworldly,but I think we didn't get any further info about them.

If they remain otherworldly as in "there is an angel world where the angels have some problems",then I'd like it if this angel world gets a bit more explored. I mean we have a better impression of the void than we have of the Angel world.

It is however also possible that they become otherworldly more similar to Bard or even TahmKench ,making them more spiritual beings(maybe with kayle representing justice and morgana freedom?),but I dunno if I'd really like that,I guess that could make them too otherworldly

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

I think the most interesting choice will be if they remain normal individuals from another world, or if they become manifestations (or "Archetypes") of what they represent. I'm not sure if that would be good or bad, but then Riot could pull the "manifestation from a higher plane of existence" - card.

What's important to me:

  • Kayle needs to remain an "All evil must die" character, prferably masked, like in the current splashart
  • Morgana must be the one opposing her "order", which is nothing mure than surpression of her individuality and personal freedom
  • And of course Morgana needs to keep her bakery ^^
GreenLore1 votes

Yeah I agree with you.

I really hope they keep the relationship between the 2 rather grey and differentiate their conflict from the one of Leona &Diana,because honestly these conflicts are rather similar(both are among 2 women,one wearing a golden armor representing the system and the other one using darkness/night associated powers to rebel against the system).

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

There is a difference tho. The lunari were part of the "system" once, but then were completly eradicated by the Solari in a horrible genocide.

Morgana and Kayle are more focussed on general ideologically positions, mostly personal freedom Vs. Ideals of whatever is "good". Or the "freedom to be bad".

Their cases are simliar, but there are differences...

GreenLore1 votes

Of course its not the same,but the similarities are still rather big and should be taken into consideration when writing the story for the 2 angels.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Well, there is no need to tell the same story two times... I'm still waiting for some Mt. Targon event to flesh out that conflict a little. (And maybe to give Leona some new voiceover lines... She should have at least ONE special taunt for Diana).

GreenLore1 votes

Yeah,personally I hope they keep Kayle morally grey in contrast to Leona who is pretty much one of the goodest champs in the game.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Well, Leona wants to protect that's kinda all here theme is about. Kayle on the other hand doesn't protect people form evil, she exterimates it whereever she sees and suspects it. That is a massive difference... Both a warriors, but one of them would cause a genocide just to "fight evil"...

GreenLore1 votes

Yeah it is more that I fear that Kayle could be turned too good. I mean there is nothing morally wrong if the kinds of evil that she exterminates are really purely evil and not redeemable in any way.

Thats what I fear,that Kayles actions come across as too justified and not extreme.

Linthe1 votes

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  • And of course Morgana needs to keep her bakery ^^

There's always room for pie.

Legacy of Xion1 votes

I'd appreciate not saying Kayle is pure evil, and Morgan is utterly innocent.

Kayle TRIES to bring the evil into the light, but more often than not they don't wanna. That's literally in her lore. So she sites them.

Morgana wouldn't join her. Kayle disowned her and left her alone. Morgana then plumbed DARK FORBIDDEN ARTS and led a rebellion.

Neither sister is innocent, but neither is wholly evil.

Keep that in mind.

The Only Doctor1 votes

As a Morgana Main, I am always excited to fight against Kayle because I wholly enjoy the Lore dynamics between champions (examples: Soraka/WW; Diana/Leona; Ashe/Sej/Liss; Rengar/Kha'Zix etc). With that in mind, I'd love to either see their world come to life, or get some sort of in game interaction between them. Like the Freljord Battle of 3 Sisters mechanic is cool from a lore continuity standpoint. The Hunt between Rengar and Khazix literally affects the way the entire match-up is played. It would be nice to get something like that in the game. Just my opinion though

Shénzhì1 votes

Definitely otherworldly. I thought of this a few times and there's probably many ideas but we'd probably want to see LoL's own variation of angels that's still immediately recognizable and understandable.

DJ Sona was an inspiration for angels being otherworldly how they may react colorfully to things.... I wasn't sure but I thought simple good and bad emotions; useful and useless emotions. Bard has also a nice angel-like way about him and maybe this could be copy/pasted slightly. Wasn't sure after that..

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