http://i.imgur.com/BWhkGIS.png
This is just a quick paintover I made on top of one of the soldier concepts from the Demacian dev diary, but I'm sure a lot of other Demacian champions such as Garen and Jarvan IV could also look badass as part of the new visual style.
Sexy Jack Rabbit10 votesMy only complaint would be that she'd be far too heavy with all of the excess armor. She's a scout afterall.
1011001110004 votesChainmail isn't nearly as bad, and I doubt anyone would go without something to prevent a dinky knife from ending your life.
Valeckserai2 votesIf you're a scout then chain mail is horrible. I've worn chain mail often for SCA events, that shit is loud as hell whenever you move, and much heavier than people would expect (usually just the shirt is 15-20 lbs, and a full chain mail suit is over 50, if it weighs any less then it isn't going to do jack shit when you get hit by anything meant to kill you because it will be too thin and break way too easily.) While yes, it would be better than plate in that situation, it would be very bad for someone that was trying to keep hidden or move light and fast. Also, chain mail is really bad against dinky knives. Unless it's riveted (which will increase the weight even more and make it much more rigid, making it harder to move around) many piercing weapons, especially small ones, can go straight through. It's REALLY good against slashing attacks, but offers nearly nothing against stabbing or blunt attacks (chain mail has a nasty habit of giving a shit ton of chain link shaped bruises wherever you get hit by a blunt weapon unless you have an absurd amount of padding underneath it, even if the blow from the weapon alone would have done nothing.)
Chromatic Eagle4 votesDarius has heavy armor and have you seen him jump?
Mhihnj2 votesDarius uses the power of his mighty mjolnir axe to propel himself into the air before dunking on the enemy team.
Big Lincoln1 voteshe's got moon boots
Melledoneus7 votesThe difference he is the Dunkmaster.
Gravity is the Dunkmaster's bitch.
Oleandervine9 votesThat Quinn concept has problems, mainly these problems: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/soulcalibur/images/6/64/Taki3SE.jpg http://www.fightersgeneration.com/nx/chars/mileena-mk9klassic.jpg http://www.fightersgeneration.com/nx2/char/scorpion-umk3-redone.png http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters3/subzero-fullsize2.jpg
If you can catch the trend, you know where I'm going with this. These characters are all ninjas. They have a massive problem - they're all wearing blaringly bright colors, which counteracts the fact that they're ninjas, and are supposed to be experts at infiltration and assassination. Wearing bright colors completely invalidates their abilities to hide and be stealthy. This Quinn concept also has this problem. Quinn is a scout for Demacia. She's intended to go into the countryside, explore the forests and mountains and fields, and spy and perform recon for her country. You can't be a spy and perform recon if you're in the middle of a forest, trying to hide from a Noxian camp, and wearing blindingly white metal and gold. Sure, it's Demacia's dress code, but not out in the wilderness, especially not out where someone should not be able to immediately identify you as an enemy spy and kill you before you can spy on them.
Varnoc3 votesI was thinking the same thing. I'd imagine many of Quinn's missions take her into foreign countries, she is one of the best, and standing out like a sore thumb because of that armor would really make it hard to blend in, as well as remain as nondescript as possible.
That's really one of the problems I have with Quinn's current design, she's so distinct, it actually works against her theme.
Oelyk1 votesPheonix Quinn is a skin yah know.
Oleandervine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lazy cat,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mucjVgmf,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2017-04-17T15:35:04.957+0000)
Pheonix Quinn is a skin yah know.
Skins present different concepts and fantasies for the character. Base skin Quinn does not raise a phoenix, and her lore is that she is a scout for Demacia. Trying to argue aesthetics for the classic using rule-breaking exceptions for their other skins is pointless, because every different skin does something different. For instance, you can't argue that all Void creatures should be metal because Battlecast Prime Cho'Gath and Kog'maw exist. If your point is that this shiny white and gold Quinn should be a skin, then yes, that can work. But this can't work in her current lore as a scout for Demacia.
Oelyk1 votesHmm, I thought he was suggesting a skin, my bad.
Chromatic Eagle1 votesThey're fantasy ninjas. They're not intended to be literal real life ninjas.
Oleandervine8 votes[{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mucjVgmf,comment-id=00060002,timestamp=2017-04-17T15:47:16.276+0000)
They're fantasy ninjas. They're not intended to be literal real life ninjas.
They're fantasy, yes, but even fantasy has to adhere to some rules of reality if it wants to immerse you into the fantasy.
SociopathFriend1 votesWhile true, the 'immersion' is into 'their fantasy' not just 'any fantasy'.
Ninja is their background, not entirely their fighting style (from what little I know of Mortal Kombat). Their special powers are what they focus on when in combat. They've entire villages of ninja IIRC- they've only a few fighters who can manipulate ice.
Also, Taki is a demon-hunter that happens to know ninjitsu- she is not a 'ninja' per say. Stealth would certainly be helpful but combat and sealing arts are the primary areas of interest.
This is besides the fact that many of these 'ninjas' are capable of teleporting or disappearing from sight with sheer speed- which renders their clothing entirely irrelevant and allows for them to express themselves or perhaps wear traditional clothing.
EROTIC RAID BOSS4 votesa skin for Quinn that puts her in really nice demacian armor would be cool though. like a what if she became a general fantasy
Sraeg20131 votesAre you seriously calling Mileena a ninja?
Valor Bot1 votesYeah, admittedly this came from a "this looks cool and fitting for the new Demacia" perspective rather than a "this is practical and works well with Quinn's theme" perspective :( You're totally right though, Quinn needs armor that is light, discreet, and silent to carry out her job, and this wouldn't be it.
I still think it'd be badass as part of a skin line, at least.
Varnoc1 votesMaybe as some sort of "parade dress" skin line? Plenty of militaries have different uniforms for work and for show, so it would definitely make a for a cool skin. I do think that the general ascetic should be built into her base though
Tesla Effect6 votesQuinn in the new arwork has a modefied version of her old armor....possibly hinting at something in the future. https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/c/c3/Quinn_Lore.png/revision/latest?cb=20170323200024
The biggest difference was Jarvan IV, which had a completely different armor in his new art. https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/5/53/Jarvan_IV_Lore.png/revision/latest?cb=20170323200022
Legacy Hydralpha1 votesJ4's a diver IIRC. In the diver update, could he be getting a visual update like how Malzahar did in the MYMU?
JarPoop IV1 votesYea, I was wondering about the j4 art. Perhaps it's his normal Demacian general armor. Without the whole dragon armor thing going on.
Kinda makes Me wonder if garen and shyv wore other armor too
Chromatic Eagle5 votesQuinn's lore shows that she's not a huge follower of Demacian ways and culture, so I wouldn't be surprised if she steered away from their uniforms. Jarvan is a prince, so I'd think that his armor would be more flashy, similar with Garen being his bodyguard.
Varnoc3 votesI like the general look and prefer it over her default currently.
I feel the need to specify here that I'm not suggesting any sort of gameplay changes to Quinn, everything below is simply from a visual or lore perspective.
If (when?) they take a look at updating her, I hope they go in this direction artistically. I never was really a fan of her current default scheme or model, her character and lore is what really drew me in. (Specifically, and I don't know if I'm the only one or not, but I really hate her idle pose with her halfcocked leg stretching wayyyyyyyyyy out in front of her bugs me like nothing else.)
Notes:
As others have stated, She probably wouldn't wear quite so much metal armor. As one of Demacia's Rangers, she needs to travel light, and more than that, she needs to be light enough to where Valor could lift her for brief periods of time. I don't doubt that she would have some Petricite somewhere on her, maybe in the clasps and rivets, given how the Demacians are in their view of magic (which I can't wait to see from Quinn's perspective), but I think the vast majority of it would be leather at the most, with the exception of a few bits.
Quinn never really did look like other Demacians. Maybe she just didn't like the uniform, or maybe it wasn't functional (shiny armor gives you away when you try to hide, and a uniform makes it hard to blend it with a crowd), but I think she should retain some of that individuality. If the general ascetic can be retained in more practical clothing, I'm all aboard!
While we're discussing Quinn's visual design, I'd like to discuss something that's been bugging me for a bit. Consider the following:
You're a Demacian Ranger. You undertake dangerous missions both inside and outside the country, against both monster and man. Your companion speaks not in words, but with shrieks and slight movements you've grown to understand as a second language. He can spot threats from a long ways off and give you plenty of time to prepare, and given that you may need to punch through thick armor, scales, or hide, you're going to need power, accuracy, range, and a high rate of fire to keep yourself safe. What weapon do you choose?
Did you say hand crossbow? Because I didn't.
This is the most bothersome thing about Quinn's design to me, she uses a hand-crossbow, a weapon that wouldn't have the power, rate of fire (unless really decked out technologically), or range to put some of the things Quinn would be responsible for taking out in the ground with relative safety. If she were using a full-sized crossbow, there could be an argument made for the power and range, but the reload speed would be atrocious (again, unless it's a pretty darn fancy crossbow, which would attract attention in an urban setting), and the bulk of the weapon would make it really difficult to carry around.
All this leaves the bow as the logical weapon of choice for Quinn. Given how long Quinn's been at this, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that she'd have built up both the muscle strength and memory to use a high poundage bow, offering high powered shots with speed, range, and accuracy, without the need for any excess bells and whistles that may break in the middle of a mission or draw more attention than necessary to herself.
I'm not saying that she wouldn't use a handbow, it's entirely plausable that she would keep a small fold-up sidearm attached to her hip with maybe two dozen or so bolts for it for when the bow can't be used for whatever reason, but as a main weapon my suspension of disbelief is broken.
The reason it works for Vayne is because she's not looking to kill her target outright with the bolts (though if the opportunity presents itself, she'd probably take it), what she's aiming to do is fill her target with enough Silver Bolts that they die from the poisoning, staying alive by outmaneuvering it when it gets into close range, or switching to Big Bertha when things get serious. She doesn't need nondescript weaponry or armor, she doesn't really care if people recognize her, but Quinn having such a weapon, especially with no alternatives like Vayne has available to her, runs contrary to her character's goals.
So would Quinn's use of a bow over a crossbow intrude on Ashe's design territory? Probably not. Ashe's gameplay is all about filling a target with as many arrows as she can in as short a time frame as possible, because if she doesn't she'll die when they get up close. Quinn's gameplay (in theory) is more about waiting for the most opportune moment to strike and keeping her target off balance when she does, and changing her weapon won't really change that, so I'm not really worried about it.
There's the issue of weather or not Quinn players really care what kind of weapon she uses or not so long as her gameplay remains untouched, and that's an entirely separate discussion. If all Quinn players are like me (spoiler: they're probably not), this may bug them too, or they may love the crossbow, I dunno, it's just my opinion and reasoning.
The only other thing I want to mention is that Quinn has no melee weapon to speak of mentioned anywhere in her lore or modeled on her character. I can't fathom the utter lack of some sort of blade for when people get into your personal space in the world of Runeterra, especially for an individual using such a short-ranged weapon as a hand crossbow.
Ideally this weapon would double as a tool, it would probably be shorter than a sword, as anything that length or longer would just get in the way of general movement, but the blade would have some heft to it so that it could be used as a machete or a fire-axe when necessary while retaining it's smaller size. Personally, I'd also carry a smaller dagger, this gives Quinn a backup if her axe knife is lost, dropped, or taken, and gives her the option to dual wield, which may give her a better chance against human opponents, as well as a throwing weapon (with enough practice you could hit someone with the blade or pommel as needed) or for tasks requiring precise cuts.
I don't really want these to actually be used in Quinn's abilities or attacks, but them being present on her model would allow for more interesting stories in her lore and make her feel more complete, in my humble opinion.
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Oh dear, I've written a book again.
Hello I am Bird3 votesPersonally, I love her hand crossbow, though I do agree it's a bit silly to use as a main weapon with no alternatives. I like to think that the hand crossbow could be easily hidden and that's why she uses it. I'd imagine a bow would break easier and overall be more of a hassle to deal with. Also maybe it's just because of gameplay reasons but it doesn't look like she loads her crossbow, meaning it might really be technologically advanced. Also, in the end, a crossbow that loads itself would be easier to adapt to her mobility than a bow, as the gun does most of the logistics for her, she just has to get the right shots off and dodge the creatures.
Varnoc2 votesI agree with the hand crossbow (handbow? that's a little easier to type out) being much easier to hide, and I'd definitely give the bow a disadvantage on that, she actually uses it this way in her new lore pieces.
As for the bow breaking easier, that's kind-of a grey area. We could debate this for both the Bow and the Handbow, it would really come down to the materials used to make each one and how many moving parts each one had. If a string breaks on a bow, it's fairly simple to restring and continue on, whereas the Handbow would probably need more extensive care if something goes wrong simply because it's got more moving parts, though I'd imagine Quinn would carry spare parts for the ones that break frequently (given that she's had it for awhile now, things are bound to have worn out by this point), those parts may or may not weigh more than a small bag of spare bowstrings. If the bow-staff or handbow itself were to break, irreparably, you're boned either way.
As for the hassle involved, it really depends on the situation, though it's length would certainly be something to deal with, I think that the range, power, and potentially rate of fire gained would be worth the inconvenience (though that's personal opinion, so it's rather moot).
Looking at her splash art, it seems like there are some sort of clips that Quinn puts into her handbow
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iZW8tH9rfKc/USVZauOnM4I/AAAAAAAACXA/5LxFMBzbzXI/s1600/quinn-splash.jpg,
though I don't really know how cannon that design is right now. From the lore, the handbow is stated to be a repeating model, so the rate of fire is less of a concern than the range and power of the attacks delivered, for which a full bow would be more ideal.
I guess that it really depends on what the situation ends up being, right? In tighter quarters and buildings where Valor isn't as much help, the Handbow would be better because the range advantage is wasted, and you want to be able to move around well, which a bow simply can't manage. Alternatively, if you're setting up a trap in the wilderness and Valor can give you a heads up before something arrives, the range and power of the shots over the distance will be more valuable.
Valor Bot2 votesThanks for your thoughts!
I'm not sure Quinn's weapon would count as a hand crossbow -- aren't those the tiny ones you mount atop the wrist like Vayne's? Quinn's is a bit larger and needs to be carried by hand in contrast, but it's still modern and compact enough that it can be folded and stored away as shown in her recall animation. (Not sure how much this still applies though since her new lore states her crossbow is made from the ivory of a tuskvore, which doesn't sound like something easy enough to fold.)
I'm not terribly attached to Quinn's crossbow I'll admit, I think a bow or even dual blades would be cool and appropriate for the character. She does seem to have some sort of dagger or knife on her person in the new artwork she got for the Demacian update, hanging on her waist. I wouldn't be opposed to a melee Quinn whatsoever. I'm not totally convinced her crossbow would be too much of a hassle though if she can just carry spare parts in her quiver or armor, and if it's easy to carry around like her current one.
I definitely agree Quinn needs a lighter set of armor in general though. While her current get up is awesome as shown in game, Quinn as a character should look and feel swift, lithe, and agile, not sluggish and bulky.
KoKoboto3 votesLooks cool, maybe a Demacian soldier skin line for a bunch of Demacia champions. I never really liked Quinn with a helmet though, I don't like her current head piece it looks kinda silly.
JarPoop IV2 votesEvery demacian champ neeeddss thisssss
Garentheon2 votesExactly! Garen's VU didn't hit the mark imo. He looks a bit silly to me. And now with with the new look of Demacia being established I really see the potential Garen had to looking badass.
Just take a look at his armor in the art for his color text aka the hag story. A polished version of that would be awesome imo
6FlagsFunnelCake2 votesPersonally I think it would work best as a skin rather than a visual rework. It looks absolutely amazing though! But I think having Quinn look slightly more rugged than other Demacians is part of her theme as a Demacian born on the outskirts and borderlands of the city as a fierce hunter.
Valor Bot2 votesI agree, the armor is probably a bit too impractical for Quinn and what she does but it would be awesome as a skin!
6FlagsFunnelCake1 votesGreat work nonetheless!!
Aruamanic1 votesinteresting [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Digielf1 votesHey sorry i know this is not very relevant to the post but can someone link us the new armor and look of Jarvan IV that they said? I saw some people saying that Jarvan appeared with a new look recently somewhere in the lore but i can't find it
Silent Reaper1 votesDude, this looks exactly like the soldiers from Falador Here
no to toxic1 votesQuinn and looking cool in the same sentence ahahah. Next Yorick and Cassiopeia will get legendary skins and Yasuo will suddenly be the most liked and respected champion with a calm and nice player base wich everybody wants to have in their team.
