Could Tahm have his ways with...

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I'm not saying anything here, but assuming, Bard isn't a or the God, but rather a deity -- In religious belief, a deity is either a natural or supernatural being, who is thought of as holy, divine, or sacred. -- Let's say he isn't omnipresent nor all-knowing, holy or divine!

Imagine that he's from a kind that has existed for billions of years, compared to humans who exist a few millions (6~from what I read), we couldn't even imagine what would be like at that point of existence. The gap makes them not relate to us that easily, like we see ants eating a larva and ignore it. His kind might see Runeterrians as under-development and choose not to triffle with us. We can't say though they've all enlightened, meaning they moved passed personal egoical gains and personal aspirations.

Just how Bard is seen by (Ionians?) as a Watcher, so are the Guardians of The Galaxy which took care of an Infinity Stone, yet in that movie they're not divinal, they're just people, who could be corrupted.

Bringing me to my point,

Could Bard be corrupted by Tahm? Could Bard aspire for personal gain? Supposing Bard has desires, and Tahm could whisper into his ears... Tahm has existed before mankind in other forms afterall... And he can be at where any man is because there is an ocean of darkness in every man's soul). @Riot, are the Watchers exempt from this darkness?

I'd love to see a Dark / Corrupted Bard skin.

I made a thread about how Bard seems to be inspired alot by the Precursors in the Jak and Daxter series.

TL;DR of it being, Chimes = Precursor orbs (both being collectibles that float above the ground for the player to grab) Heal shrine = Green Echo (both heal the player and have the same design) His color scheme. His role as a guardian = Precursors were an advanced species who were also guardians.

And in the series, the 'Echo' we most heard about was Dark Echo, from the Dark Makers, guess what? Corrupted Precursors.

I really think Bard would fit into the whole having a dark side thingy. And Tahm would be the perfect explanation for it.

EDIT: It kinda of shakes off the warmth feeling of security that a powerful being has, imagining he could be corrupted.

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Fasmodey2 votes

Probably can be corrupted, how much powerful you're, easier to get corrupted. Bard doesn't have connect with humans or other evil things, I think that's why he still didn't get corrupted. Think it like it's Gandalf's status, he always was afraid of ring because of he could get corrupted by it.

GreenLore2 votes

Honestly you don't have to assume that Bard isn't an omnipresent/all-knowing god,you can know that. Riot stated that Bard can be destroyed,that he isn't all powerful and if he was all-knowing then he wouldn't have had to wait for the egg to be used to know its location.

Now to your point: I think Bard could be corrupted,but it is extremely difficult to do so. Bard has seen a lot and is probably wise beyond our understanding,he probably knows the dangers of getting help from Tahm Kench and would probably avoid it if possible. Not to mention that Bards "traveling"-power is quite good,so it is questionable if there are places where he would need the help of TK to reach.

Rito Staff1 votes

"I think Bard could be corrupted, but it is extremely difficult to do so."

Which makes it even better :D but yes I agree with you on everything, he would know better ofc, unless he really had to or something..

This is all fiction so it's just a matter of Riot fancying it D: it would be possible but maybe not of the best interest

The Sword Saint1 votes

Bard can't be 'corrupted'. He is of orange and blue morality. He simply does not think or reason in a manner that can be comprehended by humans as good or evil, and neither does he have 'dark desires deep down in his soul' because the concept of darkness is probably foreign to him.

He could commit an act out genocide out of curiosity or boredom and still would not be 'evil' or 'dark' for his existence and consciousness does not align itself in such ways. It's like talking about the dark secret desires of a deer to eat grass, it does not even consider that the grass is living and being killed by it's actions as it's way of thinking does not even deal with such things. I imagine bard is more intelligent than a deer, but it is an alien kind of intelligence closer to vel'koz then a humans.

Ebonmaw Dragon2 votes

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Bard can't be 'corrupted'.

Bard is a being made of cosmic energy according to Riot... and you know what?

Veigar is a corrupter of cosmic energy.

Therefore, Bard can be corrupted with black magics.

The Sword Saint1 votes

Somehow I don't think veigar has the knowledge, raw power, or enough access to bards actual metaphysical location (remember the form we see is more like a puppet on a string that he uses to interact on runeterra) to manipulate bard on a cosmic energy level. Probably soraka who is a star child would be most naturally attuned but even she would probably not be able to comprehend him in any meaningful way.

It sounds like trying to perform surgery on an animal you don't know the anatomy of.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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Somehow I don't think veigar has the knowledge, raw power, or enough access to bards actual metaphysical location (remember the form we see is more like a puppet on a string that he uses to interact on runeterra) to manipulate bard on a cosmic energy level. Probably soraka who is a star child would be most naturally attuned but even she would probably not be able to comprehend him in any meaningful way.

It sounds like trying to perform surgery on an animal you don't know the anatomy of.

Well, i didnt said that Veigar can corrupt Bard, I said that its possible to corrupt the cosmic energies that "are" Bard, since he is made of Cosmic Energies.

The Sword Saint1 votes

I suppose it might be possible for veigar to capture and experiment with some of the residual energy that bards puppet body leaves around for his magical journey and such...

Rito Staff1 votes

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Bard can't be 'corrupted'. He is of orange and blue morality. He simply does not think or reason in a manner that can be comprehended by humans as good or evil, and neither does he have 'dark desires deep down in his soul' because the concept of darkness is probably foreign to him.

I was saying we don't know that. It only said he was a being who traveled etc. Since he's not a spirit but possibly a natural being, an animal like humans, but has evolved for longer, maybe he does have the darkness.

He could commit an act out genocide out of curiosity or boredom and still would not be 'evil' or 'dark' for his existence and consciousness does not align itself in such ways. It's like talking about the dark secret desires of a deer to eat grass, it does not even consider that the grass is living and being killed by it's actions as it's way of thinking does not even deal with such things. I imagine bard is more intelligent than a deer, but it is an alien kind of intelligence closer to vel'koz then a humans.

That's what psychopaths do. They don't have impulse control, nor remorse. They don't feel 'evil' inside, some say they had curiosity in what would be like to kill another person.

But that's evil. People have to stop that point of view morality thingy. Despite a human being have been taught or not what is right and what is wrong, there is a natural intelligence of the body which feedbacks your actions. And harming another animal would cause you to make you feel uneasy inside, (despite what you know to be good or bad).

Why don't irrational animals have random acts of violence? "Out of curiosity" acts? Animals certainly don't have any form of right and wrong in terms of knowledge, in terms of "I learned to not do this".

The natural intelligence works for what's best for the herd. If beings were to walk around and do as they please that would take Life nowhere. No bear grabs a dear and starts punching his skull and leave it there. That's violence, violence doesn't feel good. The body doesn't reward violence, get it?

So yes, there's is 'evil', but I don't believe the word evil is correct, I believe in ignorance, when someone does something because they don't know any better. People are completely overrun by thoughts who end up shunning over their feelings.

The Sword Saint1 votes

I feel like you didn't read my link on orange and and blue morality at all.

Rito Staff1 votes

I didn't, now I just did. But I hadn't to because what you wrote after explained it pretty well, (that what he's doing isn't relatable to us in good or bad morality) -- And I'm saying we don't know that because he

"When the unknowable structure of the universe is threatened, Bard steers all existence away from utter annihilation"

He couldn't ever take care of every single person, but people do call them Watchers though.

We don't know for sure through the info we have about him - we don't know his bacon and necktie morality, what he lives for. But he could just be from a kind who has existed for way longer then humans, but a natural being nonetheless, who could be vulnerable to Tahm.

(I'm really not saying he is, I was asking if he could, given he's an animal like humans, just more advanced) Compare what we used to consider 'ok' in society in any age before the current on. Imagine us, if we didn't die out in a couple billions of years.

Legendary Albert1 votes

I think you all kinda forget that tahm is a monster, he's not close to the level of Aatrox and Kindred which are .. well Ideas really, Tahm is not some kind of Greed god that will always survive as long s greed is a part of reality. he's just a monster, Bard would not even hear him, it's like you trying to understand a bug.. Tahm is a weakling, why is this thread even here???

Krinu1 votes

Which is better: The memory of childhood innocence fading, or the sound of dogs barking on a hot day?

They're not really comparable, and we don't have enough information to render a judgment either way.

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