Why i feel Zoe was a wasted effort

3K Zero·12/11/2017, 8:16:03 AM·6 votes·1,190 views

Just my opinion here, really just expressing my thoughts on Zoe.

  1. She's just really bland. Shes basically a pretween girl with alot of flashy lights. She's a Targonian? This is what Aurilion Sol was afraid of? Pfftf.
  2. her kit is alright, but given the difficulty of trying to play pong mid-combat, there's no real benefit to bouncing her shot, it literally does no extra damage. Alot of extra trouble for basically nothing
  3. her ability to use copies of summoner spells i feel is a little OP 4)ANOTHER "human-looking" champion in the game. Yay cuz we all wanna be humans playing humans in a game right?
  4. it feels oddly repulsive and somewhat discomforting that a young girl charachter that obviously looks like an underaged girl enters this combat on the rift and fights to the death 6)she feels like a project that spent 1 day in the art department and about 20 minutes in development before release. Lack of depth in everything, kit, lore, gameplay

just some complaints i wanted to vent that nobody has to listen to

gg

25 Comments

Testiclies12/11/2017, 8:31:55 AM6 votes

I must agree, no matter how sad it makes me feel. I do not blame Riot for Zoe's weird situation though, because I'm so glad to see that they finally started thinking outside of their comfort zone (and by that I mean tanks and supports). Finally there is something different in the mid lane (not just Syndra pressing Qs for an eternity then pressing R or Yasuo and Zed abusing you because they are Riot's favorite champions), and this difference is in the kit of a burst mage and not a tank or a support. Riot tends to fill their new champions with unique kits when there is no big risk that the champion will be useless. For example, giving Ornn the passive that lets him buy items anywhere and (almost) anytime on the map is not risky because if the passive gets useless, it is not a big deal at all since he is "just a tank". Rakan's passive is similar to this. No time to come up with a unique passive for a support? No problem, give him a periodic shield. No idea what Taliyah's passive should be? Give him a small amount of movement speed here and there. But Riot took a risky step towards more complex champions and this step was Zoe herself. The idea of her kit is perfect, it makes her feel unique and cool and fun. There are some balance problems with her being a little bit too weak though, and like many other burst mages, she is struggling against tanks. And there is her desing... I really do not like Zoe's preteen girly design, what's more, I simply hate it. I do not care if she is a demi-god or not, she looks like, talks like and acts like a child from elementary school. I want to play the mightiest mages like Lissandra, the banished ice witch, legendary creatures like Tahm Kench, the demon king of the rivers, and dark, scary beings like Thresh, the collector of souls. Aaaaand there is Zoe, the little girl who jumps and hops around the lane, throwing bubbles with butterflies at her enemies and using random active items and summoner spells now and then. Ugh. Simply ugh.

JackMcSnipeyz12/11/2017, 1:45:33 PM5 votes

Am i missing something? Isnt the whole point of her Q is to redirect backwards so it will travel more distance so it will deal more damage?

And i disagree, as long as some people find her niche fun, she's not wasted effort, and there is definetly a crowd for her playstyle.

GreenLore12/11/2017, 11:12:10 AM5 votes

1.She is a human with an aspect inside her,not the aspect herself.Besides just because a character is childish doesn't mean they can't be powerful.

2.The redirect thing is there to allow her to bypass obstacles(like minions or tanks).

3.Well it certainly is extremely situational though,so it really depends on how your opponents deal with that.

4.Sadly human looking champs are the most popular ones.I myself like more inhuman champs,so I think she was kind of a wasted opportunity as she could have been actually an alien aspect.

5.And that is something new? Annie Besides the league isn't canon anyway.

6.ok thats just you being biased...

cerbari12/11/2017, 1:40:10 PM3 votes

Personally i dont really get all the hate zoe gets. I mean i also dont find her that appealing of a Champion but that happens every once in a while. Eventhough i have to agree that they could have done more with her lore wise, like targon is such an interesting faction and especially her Special interactions ingame were more than disappointing.

I believe if riot had put more emphasis on her relation to aurelion sol she would have been a much better Champion. Waaarghbobo said that Aurelion Sol does not hate her (which is quite the feat considering her to be from targon) and i would have liked to see more of this love-hate relationship. I Picture it somewhat like Thor and Loki (Marvel)

to get to your Points:

  1. well aurelion is not really afraid of the targonians, they tricked him into servitude and he wants to destroy them now once he gets free. Also she is just a host for the real aspect of twilight.

  2. well ok dont really know what to say to this

  3. i don think the copying is op, rather the free active items you receive during laning phase (which was already nerfed)

  4. personally i like playing champs that are appealing to me. so i like playing a dog headed demigod, but also a brutal pirate. i really wouldnt say a Champion is lame just because he is human. Also consider this if no Champions would be human, the animal/ Monster Champions would become less Special

  5. well honestly i would have this Problem rather with Annie. like we have a lot of Young Champions like ekko, lux taliyah and a lot more. since they dont really die ingame and the game not being Canon makes it ok for me.

  6. like i said especially lore i think was more a lack of communication rather than being plane.

Demon King Maou12/11/2017, 9:08:15 AM3 votes

Honestly i feel like riot ripped her idea from this show http://s1.dmcdn.net/Lxjo9/1280x720-Jbi.jpg and just added some lore behind it .. I mean the personality is the same

Meep Man12/12/2017, 3:47:28 PM2 votes

Aurelion Sol isn't afraid of Targonians. He got tricked by them into wearing a crown that made him be under their control. I don't think scared is the right word. Incredibly angry and extremely aggravated would be a better description, which would be fitting in this sense.

Also, for #5, we already have Annie.

Ebonmaw Dragon12/11/2017, 3:45:50 PM2 votes

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  1. it feels oddly repulsive and somewhat discomforting that a young girl charachter that obviously looks like an underaged girl enters this combat on the rift and fights to the death

Literally the first champion that Riot showed, ever, is just that... and i dont see people having problems with Annie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RprbAMOPsH0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vKpfxHU6oc

JustMonika1312/12/2017, 3:58:13 PM1 votes

“ it [her Q] literally does no extra damage”

Are you high?

Warlord Dienekes12/11/2017, 4:07:18 PM1 votes

I mean, Sol has the right to be afraid. She can create multiple directed portals across the galaxy. That power, alone, basically makes her more powerful than Sol himself. Presuming they are at all creative with its use (thankfully Zoe doesn’t seem to be). And I’m not even going to get into what would happen if she turns off gravity! Jesus.

What’s more is she’s not even the Aspect. She’s just the host. Imagine how powerful one of these things actually must be.

cerbari12/11/2017, 5:47:30 PM1 votes

well i would assume that zoe still Needs some sort of Energie in order to use her powers. like just say creating Portals uses some sort of Energie and you dont have the Problem with infinite Energie anymore. also aurelion creates stars.... like he can basically create sources for energy and even magical energy since we know the ascended use the power of the sun. like zoe is super powerful dont get me wrong. but aurelion could most likely kill her. also zoe cant kill billions of voidspawn like aurelion can do. also targon needed aurelion to fight other cosmic Entities in order to expand their empire. So i would believe its save to assume that aurelion is more powerful than the aspects (even the real aspects).

RookPusher12/11/2017, 6:00:09 PM1 votes

I don't play her, but playing against her I do wonder "What the downside to her long range, substantial stun, into nuke move"

cerbari12/11/2017, 7:02:15 PM1 votes

why isnt there anything to suggest she Needs energy. Like of Course you can say she is godly powerful you can explain basically every supernatural ability with physics that at the end you have black hole Levels of destruction. just say that it costs energy to bring stuff through Portals and the Problem solved itself. And i dont see any reason to think otherwise. like just because Annie can shoot fire it doesnt mean she can shoot an unlimited amount and in unlimited proportions. why would zoe be able to teleport without restrictions.