Is there hoping that Evelynn is not going to get "Galio'd"?

mirAcIe·Mar 14, 2017·10 votes·1,778 views

Speaking on behalf of people like myself, who still care about Evelynn not only as a playable champion, but also as a character in League of Legends. Just looking at how Team Alpha completely remade Galio into something that could very well be a new champion, I am incredibly worried that the same fate now awaits Evelynn.

Many people who don't really care for Evelynn would've welcomed her being deleted and changed into something else, like Galio, but unlike him, Evelynn has a much bigger following, so I hope that Team Alpha would respect their interests too.

Is there hoping that Evelynn isn't just going to be replaced with another character?

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Warlord DienekesMar 14, 20172 votes

Well from a visual standpoint she's pretty unique and not overly goofy so I think she'll be fine there. The ones who get strange and weird visual changes seem to be the more generic guys

Gangplank: went from a normal pirate to old pirate with a goddamn robot arm! Warwick: went from a normal werewolf to a werewolf with a goddamn robot arm! Sion: looked downright silly, was basically a reference character so they turned him into current Sion.

While the ones with more unique looks like Poppy and Ryze pretty much look the same just changed to match their new personalities. Because hammer yordle and blue guy with a giant scroll on his back are both already unique. So is blue girl with knives stupidly pointing at her inner thighs forcing her to walk like she's bow-legged. Though for what it's worth I hope they get rid of the inner thigh knives. She can keep the others around the outside of her legs if she really wants.

From a mechanical perspective Galio's theoretical core was area taunt, anti-magic, and ranged attacks. All of which were kept in a weird way. Some might say a more fair way, now that you can see the taunt coming. On that regard I'd expect the core mechanics of Eve to remain in some way: perma-invisibility and running around dealing damage. But they'll definitely be done differently. It's a rework after all.

From a personality perspective, anything goes. Riot likes to change things for the sake of changing them, sometimes. But I think we already have an Eve short story. So we already know her personality, roughly.

OleandervineMar 14, 20174 votes

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Well from a visual standpoint she's pretty unique and not overly goofy so I think she'll be fine there. The ones who get strange and weird visual changes seem to be the more generic guys ... ... ... From a personality perspective, anything goes. Riot likes to change things for the sake of changing them, sometimes. But I think we already have an Eve short story. So we already know her personality, roughly.

I'm going to have to stop you there. Evelynn may not be a "goofy" character per se, but she certainly does not fit within the aesthetic of the game. She comes across as being a concept that's immature in nature and a bit of an eyesore, as she looks like a pink haired smurf in lingerie. Her whole personality and theme is "Look at me, I'm a BDSM fetishist covered in spikes and pink leather," and this is something that needs to be dropped for a more serious, real story and personality that fits into the rich world Riot is creating. At current, she's pretty much a blank slate in terms of lore and personality, since everything she has is outdated and a teenage wet dream.

Warlord DienekesMar 14, 20172 votes

And MF looks like a sorority girl in a slutty pirate Halloween costume. Doesn't change that's what they are. And Janna is wearing basically a bikini. Elise dresses like Elvira. Riven has a damn playboy bunny costume.

Hell Riot even had a chance to change MF already and chose not to.

Im not suggesting these costumes aren't immature or should be taken seriously but they definitely fit the aesthetics of LoL. Since it's a consistent pattern and they are the aesthetics of LoL.

Also, serious world and story? They just released Kled a few months ago. The best story Riot's written stared the prementioned sorority pirate.

OleandervineMar 14, 20172 votes

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And MF looks like a sorority girl in a slutty pirate Halloween costume. Doesn't change that's what they are. And Janna is wearing basically a bikini. Elise dresses like Elvira. Riven has a damn playboy bunny costume.

Hell Riot even had a chance to change MF already and chose not to.

Im not suggesting these costumes aren't immature or should be taken seriously but they definitely fit the aesthetics of LoL. Since it's a consistent pattern and they are the aesthetics of LoL.

Also, serious world and story? They just released Kled a few months ago. The best story Riot's written stared the prementioned sorority pirate.

Miss Fortune has not benefitted from a full blown VGU - they plastered a new coat on an old car with her, and they were beholden to the original model's limitations in terms of costume design. Janna, in that same breath, is also an ancient as hell model and design and could also benefit from modernization. Elise isn't even in the same boat as Evelynn, because unlike Eve, Elise has a cohesive theme and her costuming actually accentuates the fact that she's a femme fatale, using her looks to lure men into her grasp and to their death with Vilemaw. Battle Bunny Riven is actually an exception in this case, because that skin is supposed to be cheeky and goofy- that's what skins do, present alternative fantasies and give us outfits that deviate from and add a fun aspect to an otherwise serious character.

Evelynn just ... does not. She's not got much of a theme, and what she does have is not that strong and doesn't justify her wearing what she wears in relation to the rest of the world at large. I'm not saying Evelynn can't be scandalous or sexy when she's reworked - just that her current "spiked lingerie" attire is tacky, dated, and a teenage wet dream.

Regarding Kled - even though he's not serious, his nature and how he fits in the world is grounded and believable in the grander story. He's got a mild amount of depth to him and he's been characterized very well. But he's also somewhat vague and mythical, which is understandable since he's a Yordle. Evelynn is not a Yordle, nor is she implied to be any kind of creature of legend or myth - just a notorious assassin. Additionally, Kled is intended to be insane and tongue in cheek while Evelynn is not. Evelynn is by all purposes supposed to be a serious, malicious character, and only in her filler short story do we get that, but nowhere else in her character do we see that, just some running BDSM joke. This is why she needs actual lore to establish her in the grander story that Riot is telling, instead of having her be this antiquated relic.

Mystery GhostApr 12, 20172 votes

i WISH she became as giant as galio ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

CrettMar 14, 20171 votes

Evelynn's going to keep two things for sure: Perma stealth and sustained damage. I don't think she'll be healthy if she doesn't have one without the other, and the perma stealth is the most iconic thing about her.

I still kinda miss the days of extended stealth durations without visible ranges; it was really fun to scout as Twitch, walk into a bush with 5 champs, and nope out

GreenLoreMar 14, 20172 votes

Are you really sure about the sustained damage? I remember that they said that permastealth is going to be kept,but they also talked about how she is meant to be an assassin and assassins aren't known for sustained damage.

CrettMar 14, 20171 votes

sustained damage was how riot's kept her healthy. she used to have a stun, and what she'd do is she'd pop out of stealth right next to you, stun you and gib you on the spot.

i don't see how that philosophy would change with a rework unless they increased her visible radius even more or removed her movement speed buff or something (which would be lame)

but we all know she's going to end up with a dash somehow lmao

137434Mar 14, 20171 votes

Yes, "permastealth" and "burst" together is real unhealthy unless you can come up with a way to mitigate the permastealth aspect and give opponents time to react. Which means high detection radius or really short range burst.

For those who were not around back when Eve had a stun (and no detection radius), see Riot's constant struggle with Rengar and his ult.

CrettMar 14, 20171 votes

never forget item 3068

GreenLoreMar 14, 20173 votes

Yeah,but sustained damage is also the reason why she is often played like a bruiser and not like an assassin.And they did say that they don't want her to remain the diver that she has become and instead want to turn her into the assassin that she was meant to be.

http://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/2017/01/dev-state-of-champion-update-january-2017/

OleandervineMar 14, 20171 votes

This is correct, Meddler has stated on various occasions that Riot dislikes that Evelynn has such a disconnect between her lore/personality, original concept, and play style.

Per Meddler: "**Evelynn's intended to be an assassin, with a heavy focus on flanking and range management within an engagement. Like other assassins taking out a valuable target should be her primary goal. AP is intended to be her primary form of scaling. ** For a long time a more diver like playstyle, with pretty tanky builds, has been her most effectively way of being played though, which creates some thematic disconnect. Performance wise we see her as very middle of the pack when played by experienced Evelynn players and compared to other champions played by people familiar with them. Her average performance is a little on the weak side, brought down in part by newer players going for higher damage, squishier builds that tend to be less successful. Balance wise that means we feel she's in a reasonable, stable spot at present."

CrettMar 14, 20171 votes

it's a hard archetype to get right. we'll have to see

Janna mìdMar 14, 20171 votes

It ain't because Galio doesn't have a big following that he had to be deleted

Though I agree with you

Skins ProjectMar 14, 20171 votes

Yea I really like eve's kit atm..... It has a huge skillcap whilst being "Simple" as it is.

I'll make a C&C post with some ideas for the rework in a day or two. (Abilities?) I'll update if I remember xD

GreenLoreMar 14, 20171 votes

Overall I doubt that the changes will be that drastic to evelynns visual design and character. I mean Evelynn is a femme fatal and I really doubt this is going to change,so she is pretty much bound to remain sexy. Her hairstyle is also likely going to stay,because it is rather iconic for her(the way it looks in her safecracker skin is pretty much what I'd expect for her,heck it looks to me like riot already tried to find a way to update her hair to modern standards with that skin).

And she did get a lore piece for the shadow isles update and even though it is just a color text meant to be a bandaid for the time before her update,I assume that this piece is meant to remain her color text even after her VGU(maybe the description of her design will be altered upon release),so her personality and occupation is also likely going to remain the same(or at least very similar). I mean DrMundo and Rammus got full lore updates even though they are both on the list for a VGU,so its not impossible to update the lore before the actual VGU.

RavenhaleMar 14, 20171 votes

We know that they aim to make her less Diver and more Slayer. I'm predicting AD Bruiser Evelynn will cease to be viable, or at least have your team wondering why bother picking Evelynn to fulfill that role when other AD Bruisers do it better (see Vi, Hecarim).

I honestly haven't played Evelynn in a while. I got her up to Lvl 5 but stopped before they introduced the 6 and 7 Levels. I have never been a huge fan of the Slayer playstyle, so she will probably be too difficult for me to perform mediocre with (we won't talk about the Nidalee). It's why I decided to pick up Diana, seeing little reason to continue working on a champion that would inevitably and drastically change.

I know I will at least try a couple games with the new Evelynn to see if she still is a champion with a kit I enjoy and can somewhat function with.

19348180DEL1Apr 4, 20171 votes

They are keeping the Q mashing aspect of Evelynn's "Frenzy" in tact. It's mostly her E and R and passive that are being altered. Reds state that she is viable.

mirAcIeApr 12, 20171 votes

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They are keeping the Q mashing aspect of Evelynn's "Frenzy" in tact. It's mostly her E and R and passive that are being altered. Reds state that she is viable.

Do you happen to have a link to the red posts you are referring to?

Linna ExcelApr 13, 20171 votes

I'm hoping riot won't screw her up, but every rework basically has a 50% chance to mess up the kit and a 50% chance to mess up the new look. I think the snowflakes want her to be deleted, but IMO she's not meant for them.