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So will Karma's list of Updated Splash Arts come with an Update itself?

Evenstar··2 votes·891 views

Fiora's update was rolled out one year ago, and it took one year for her to get all her splash arts updated.

Twitch is next with 5 splash arts. And given the art team took 1 full year to fully conceptualize how they wanted to present Nightraven and Royal Guard Fiora, I'm willing to bet that Twitches' update splash arts will take a good 4-8 months before its settled.

Karma has 3 splash arts that needs to be updated, and I'm guessing its a good 2.5 - 6 months.

So now, the main question is she going to receive an update along with the updated splash arts. Given the timeline we have now, we've got between 6 months and one full year to decide who comes next after Galio's update. I find it hard to believe that the team is just willing to roll out on updating Karma's splash arts, with Reav3 even mentioning the complaints were "loud & clear", but not even determining her gameplay update yet, because many months back when the subclass list was released, it was a general consensus that Karma was bland and overly generalized (even without resorting to subclass as a guideline or law).

When updating splash arts, typically Riot presents a champion in a manner that is unique and thematic to them. With no fans, little particles from abilities and a semi-complete dance to boot, how will Trad/Sun Goddess/Sakura Karma even be presented? It seems so impossible to even conceptualize an art now because to translate her abilities in to a form art itself is difficult. Plus, IF Karma's splash art is guaranteed to be next after Twitch, it's a good timing to get things clarified. Shouldn't Karma receive any accompanying gameplay update as well? So the next time some Karma players ask again, Riot doesn't have a reason to say they lacked time and will focus on other champions before getting back to her another round once more.

Annnnd, to add on, in terms of lore and voice, there are multiple paths to take Karma's story to, and expand her involvement in Ionia.

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GreenLore2 votes

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Fiora's update was rolled out one year ago, and it took one year for her to get all her splash arts updated.

Twitch is next with 5 splash arts. And given the art team took 1 full year to fully conceptualize how they wanted to present Nightraven and Royal Guard Fiora, I'm willing to bet that Twitches' update splash arts will take a good 4-8 months before its settled.

Uhm the way you say this makes it sound like you assume they worked on these splash arts nonstop since the VGUs,which is obviously not the case. They only really started to work on Fioras splash arts either after Ryzes update came out or after Sions splash arts were updated.

Twitch might get his splash art updates this year,depending on how fast the work on the warwick VGU goes(because they have to get the WW splash arts done before that comes out)

So now, the main question is she going to receive an update along with the updated splash arts. Given the timeline we have now, we've got between 6 months and one full year to decide who comes next after Galio's update. I find it hard to believe that the team is just willing to roll out on updating Karma's splash arts, with Reav3 even mentioning the complaints were "loud & clear", but not even determining her gameplay update yet, because many months back when the subclass list was released, it was a general consensus that Karma was bland and overly generalized (even without resorting to subclass as a guideline or law).

They once showed us the list of champs who are planned to get a VGU and Karma wasn't among those. She might be bland,but her visuals aren't that bad and her kit does work,other champs need the update much more than her. If anything Karma might get a gameplay update at some point.

It seems so impossible to even conceptualize an art now because to translate her abilities in to a form art itself is difficult.

Not really,I mean look at the new fiora splashes,fiora doesn't do any of her moves in them,yet the splash arts work just fine. Order of the lotus karma and warden karma also have no problems depicting karma without fans.

Star Guardían2 votes

Karma doesn't need a gameplay or visual update. Or at least she needs it far less than many many other champs.

Iwinatlife421 votes

Karma Already had a huge VGU one of the biggest ones so far. Why would she need another? I really enjoy her kit. It makes you think on which ability you want to ult because they are all good depending on the problem

Raiokun2 votes

That VGU was somewhat okay, but it kinda took away a lot of things from karma. TBH it was rush mostly because of a leak. She lost a passive, her character, a clear weapon along with a shield animation. Riot's been 'trying' hard to do something with her but for the most part it just seems to crush her more as a charater. There's nothing that says Karma right now. When she was redone, she was meant to stand a symbol of Ionia, like if you think of Noxus the first person you think of is Darius, or if you think of BW the first person you think of might be Gangplank or Miss Fortune. However, Karma didn't come out that way. Nothing about her kit screams Ionia, or Hero. Patch 5.10 was the thing that killed off karma the most. Her kit use to have more solo lane capacities, but despite what the patch says, every patch that karma has been in has been a nerf to her solo lane. The only thing they haven't changed on her, is the one thing that wasn't supposed to be on karma her Q, everything else had been on karma. Her W used to deal increased solo damage, her RE use to deal medium damage AoE and could be casted on minions. In bot lane, you 'may' have to think about which ult to use, but in mid or top lane, the only combo you can use is RQ because it's the only one that will deal damage. RW can be used as a heal, but not as root because you have to follow the person around with it. Her RE can't hurt so why even use it, when you can use your RQ to deal massive amounts of damage and get a slow on top of that.

I know this because I played Karma A LOT after her rework, I played her some before it, but I didn't really understand her back then so I gave up. I find her MUCH harder to play now that they took off two of her damage sources. At this point, I don't think there's a point to all of this. On PBE people said the karma changes were too much. But Riot didn't really listen, it was more covered up by Ekko's release. Kog has just be reverted back to his pre-reworked form, yet Karma still has yet to get anything but more nerfs on her already nerfed moves.

DwarvenGiant1 votes

Shouldn't Karma receive any accompanying gameplay update as well?

She's probably one of the best candidates for an Enchanters Roster Update. When they get to Enchanters (which is likely sometime within the next couple of years after Assassins), they'll most likely do some kind of work on her.

Those are just guesses though.

Evenstar1 votes

Hmm.. if I recall correctly, the most solid identity she has at the moment is a Battle Mage, the team's torn between labeling her as an artillery (due to RQ) and an enchanter (E). But I don't think there'll be an Enchanter Roster Update anytime soon, and I suppose any updates will come in the form of main classes ie: Supports?

The Last Ballad1 votes

But then we had the Juggernauts and the Vanguards/Divers are up for grabs for the next one, soo I don't exactly think they are going with the old names anymore. I mean, Nautilus and Leona are Vanguards, Braum and Shen are Wardens, Sona, Soraka, and Nami are Enchanters, and Zyra, Anivia, Janna are disrupters, but they are all supports, so how would that work? I mean, they could do a support item update, but there is talk of that happening during the preseason and trying to make a group of champs that stretch across most of the classes more diverse from each other would be rather... pointless, seeing as very few supports from different classes play the same. And at that point you might as well lump them in with the others of their class and set them to be diverse from those whom they share characteristics with, instead of trying to make Soraka and Leona different, for instance.

Evenstar1 votes

Actually, now that you mentioned it, I doubt Enchanters WILL get an update, if any. Janna, Lulu, Nami and Soraka are all unique in their own manner. Supports all have some pretty solid identities and niche.

IxtaliKing1 votes

Well, Meddler did say there's a good chance Karma would get some work done on her either in an Enchanter update (years off), or an Ionian event. It would make sense for Riot to fully make sense of Karma before they update her splashes.

The Last Ballad1 votes

And given the art team took 1 full year to fully conceptualize how they wanted to present Nightraven and Royal Guard Fiora

You are not entirely understanding how this is working... They started the new splashes after poppy. Fiora's took a few months(I believe she was next after Sion, which I think was in July or August?), not a year. There are not n(standing in for the amount of champs that need them) groups all working on their splashes separately, it is more like the champ-up groups where there is one or two dividing the work between them. If it was the first way, then why did Sion's splashes get done before Fiora's? He has more of them of a similar quality, so by all means his should of been done after hers.

Shouldn't Karma receive any accompanying gameplay update as well?

Aren't you dismayed at how she is currently? So why would a even more rushed update make you happier than the more thought out, if divergent from her previous identity, update she had before(not to mention it isn't a crappy kit in and of itself. Most of the people I have heard complain about it were upset about it not fitting her, not that it does not work by itself)? Personally, if she is to be changed, I want it to be a well thought out one like Yorick or Taric, not some 3-4 month rush job. Do you want her to be the next Morde?

Evenstar1 votes

Ohhh... as far as fucked up goes. Karma is already fucked up.

But if no ones bring up about Karma, not even her splash arts, we'll probably get to nowhere. That means probably after Galio, she won't be looked at still :s. And, Riot might pull out the "time is limited" card again. As far as I'm concerned, if they could roll out 2 Ryze updates within 2 years. Karma shouldn't be a problem child all.

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