The Poison mage archetype needs to exist, Either on Cassiopeia or a new champion.

Scarborough Fair·Jan 15, 2015·16 votes·1,749 views

If it's really that hard for you to find enough resources to rework Cassiopeia into the theme people envisioned her as, then you should start thinking of a way to introduce the poison mage theme on another champion .... preferably a female. I'm fine with Cassiopeia as a snake themed champion who throws her fangs around and exploits her curse to grow in power, Other people who used to play her though, not so much. (PS: Wasn't sure which area to put it? Gameplay or Art? meh)

19 Comments

GreenLoreJan 15, 20156 votes

Well what would you define as poison mage? Damage over time?That can be problematic since it is hard for the enemy to notice how much damage they'll be taking from that. Cassiopeia is mainly a gorgon. Poison,snake and petrifying abilities all make sense on her,but she really has a lot of poison themed abilities.(i mean 2 of her abilities poison the enemy while another one increases poison damage)

I think adding complete poison mage would be redundant,since cassiopeias kit already makes a lot of use of poison already and there are several other champs who use some sort of poison in their kit,so they should just adjust her if necessary(not a cassio-player myself so I dunno how good/bad the last rework was)

Scarborough FairJan 15, 20157 votes

an Indicator that shows the amount of DOT they can take would sovle that problem. (Like a purple shading on the health bar for the amount of health that they will lose)

imo I think it could be pretty interesting with proper brainstorming of what the spells are gonna do and how they are gonna fit with the poison mage fantasy

The WhamboozlerJan 16, 20157 votes

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an Indicator that shows the amount of DOT they can take would sovle that problem. (Like a purple shading on the health bar for the amount of health that they will lose)

imo I think it could be pretty interesting with proper brainstorming of what the spells are gonna do and how they are gonna fit with the poison mage fantasy

Must we dumb down everything? If you get hit with a DoT, sure... you can't tell instantly how much it will do. So what? That isn't a PERK. That means they have time to heal/shield themselves to survive. If you get hit with poison and decide "eh, I'll probably make it" and don't... well, you screwed up. Are we gonna get rid of ignite too? Malzahar? Swain? Singed? Teemo? Brand? All do DoT's. DoT's aren't broken or Op by any means. They butchered Cass because.... no real reason. I don't recall her being a world ender before her rework. I hate her now. She's not a poison mage. She's an crappy marksman with overly complicated mechanics that happens to scale on AP and do magic damage and who uses mana to "auto attack".

If you didn't guess, I loathe the rework. RIP Cassio that I loved. You've gone to join Skarner that I loved in the pile of my favorite champs that Riot has butchered into fetid piles of monkey shit.

GreenLoreJan 16, 20151 votes

Uhm cleopatra didn't say DoT should be removed,it should just be made appearant how much damage they deal,which would be a reasonable change if a poison-centered character is able to deal huge amounts of damage you won't even notice will happen to you.

Also her E always resetted when cast on a poisoned enemy,so the core gameplay of her was always "if possible poison the enemy and spam E",her kit hasn't become really more complicated.

SalzigorimandoJan 16, 20152 votes

I get what you're saying, I do, but her poisons aren't poisons anymore. They're much more like a progress bar for buffs. I believe there really should be a champion who slowly whittles down the enemy with near continuous yet small damage.

A valid point. The only problem is that between , , and , is there really room for another poison based champion? It could be done, but it would be very hard to do it right.

Valid point, but I would like to point out some issues with the current poison users and the "Poisoner" identity that is so desired. Twitch's poison is, damage-wise, a worthless stackable "toxin" used only for his E, kinda like Varus's blight. Teemo's poison on his basics is little more than a trade winner, you could honestly remove it, and leave him the blind and he'd still do ok. I feel you could even swap his mushrooms with some sort of ad bleeding bear trap and he'd still work ok.

Singed is very close to the image, but his character is far more memorable for baiting and luring enemies in. "Don't chase Singed" is a thing because Singed will run from you. The poison, while the main source of is damage, isn't really what he's about............

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And now I want to see a Firewalker Singed skin or something.

Laughing FishJan 15, 20153 votes

Teemo

Scarborough FairJan 15, 20152 votes

To me, Teemo is a scout and a poison marksman, not a poison mage. Pre-rework Cass how ever was a poison snake mage.

Laughing FishJan 15, 20152 votes

Fair enough. But personally I never found Cassiopeia to be fun before, either to fight as or against. I know I am the minority here, but I think the reworked cass is better.

Scarborough FairJan 15, 20152 votes

I actually like reworked Cass more, but I feel like a poison mage needs to be a thing

Laughing FishJan 15, 20152 votes

A valid point. The only problem is that between Singed , Teemo , and Twitch , is there really room for another poison based champion? It could be done, but it would be very hard to do it right.

Scarborough FairJan 15, 20151 votes

I feel like the champions you listed aren't really in the way of it since they aren't strictly poison themed. Singed, Teemo, Twitch and arguably Cassiopeia have other themes that people relate to them with. I think having a mage whose theme is strictly being a poison mage could be pretty interesting with proper brainstorming of what the spells are gonna do and how they are gonna fit with the poison mage fantasy.

Laughing FishJan 15, 20151 votes

Well, it would be crazy hard to balance a champion who only used poison. Either A: They would lack any form of burst damage, or B:Their DoT would be OP.

Scarborough FairJan 15, 20152 votes

Not if the poison ticked faster (think new base heal) and had a short duration.

Laughing FishJan 15, 20151 votes

So.. basically Teemo .

CenturosJan 16, 20151 votes

She was really just a mage that happened to have dots.

OleandervineJan 16, 20153 votes

Cassiopeia was more of a poison mage than anything else. Sure, 2 of her skills weren't poisons, but they helped her with her poisons/played off them. R freezes enemies, making them prime for being sitting ducks for her poison; E was something she used when her foes got too close and broke through her poisons. She was a poison mage first and foremost. As she stands now, she isn't. She uses her "poison"to merely set up for E, which makes her too much of a one trick pony. I would love to see her be pushed back into a poison mage kit. Even if that meant making Q a single target poison, I'd be OK with that. There are many unique things that creative designers can do to make poison mages exciting. They can make them contagious, they can make W deal more damage the longer foes stay in it, they could even have E spread the poisons onto nearby foes behind the target if it hits a poisoned foe. There's so many interesting things to do, but it would require effort and potentially reworking the kit more dramatically. If that means scrapping this passive she currently, I wouldn't be happier. It doesn't fit her at all.

ULTRAF0RCEJan 16, 20151 votes

Just one thing this is the wrong board for this. Poison mage, is not an aspect of the story or of the art.

GreenLoreJan 16, 20151 votes

Well one could argue that character creation itself is a form of art.

I'll admit it is a bit of a stretch though

ULTRAF0RCEJan 16, 20151 votes

only problem is there is a board specifically for champion concepts, which are a lot more productive in a whole than saying "WE WANT THIS, GIVE US IT"