If Evelynn was a boy. Riot, read this.

LunSeiSleidee·Sep 27, 2017·6 votes·3,351 views

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d6/b1/1c/d6b11c47df60565c155c2c4c620ee39f--sexy-anime-guys-hot-anime-boy.jpg

Look at this picture. Now imagine him saying stuff like this:

"Come closer.... don't be afraid." "I can make your heart race.... or stop it!" "Mmmh, yes, why don't we turn the lights off?" "Is this the first time?"

Now imagine that in a videogame.

You play as that guy. Looking like that. Striking up poses like that. And speaking like that.

Would you be embarassed playing that game around others? Would that make you a little unconfortable? Would you think it's stupid and targeted only to horny young girls?

Yes.

And that's exactly what Evelynn is. But somehow, when it's a female character, it's alright. It's no longer cringey or unconfortable or dumb.

83 Comments

DariusDemiurgeSep 27, 201716 votes

I think we should add a lusty angel man like that. :3c hot.

SEKAISep 27, 20173 votes

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I think we should add a lusty angel man like that. :3c hot.

We actually do, though as a skin, in the form of Heartseeker Varus.

DariusDemiurgeSep 27, 20174 votes

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We actually do, though as a skin, in the form of Heartseeker Varus.

Not a default champ/skin plus varus sucks and is supposed to be a Cupid knock off. Needs to be melee champ for a more "personal" touch if you know what I mean.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20171 votes

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Not a default champ/skin plus varus sucks and is supposed to be a Cupid knock off. Needs to be melee champ for a more "personal" touch if you know what I mean.

And that Cupid-Varus skin is not even comparable to Evelynn's everything skins, anyway.

SEKAISep 27, 20172 votes

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And that Cupid-Varus skin is not even comparable to Evelynn's everything skins, anyway.

Just so you know, Varus is literally naked in this game. The only wear he has is his head-band, his butt is all out in the open, just covered by fur, and even then you can still see his butt cheeks if you just zoom in.

FasmodeySep 27, 20178 votes

You are kinda right, but It is more of a problem of society than Riot.

People think oversexualizing females is more tolerable than oversexualizing males because oversexualized young men are usually seen feminine and gay, which something other hated and seen wrong. They see in that way because oversexualizing is more related with females and having sexy males and looking at them is seen gay.

I would blame society for it, not Riot.

I dont think Riot done anything wrong there.

Lastly, if it is going to make you feel better, Taric has a few innuendos.

SEKAISep 27, 20171 votes

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You are kinda right, but It is more of a problem of society than Riot.

People think oversexualizing females is more tolerable than oversexualizing males.

Also oversexualized young men are usually seen feminine and gay (for reason of oversexualizing is related with females more than males, sad but true), which something other hated and seen wrong.

I would blame society for it, not Riot.

I dont think Riot done anything wrong there.

At least in places like Japan both male and female got sexualised equally, both to masculine and feminine ends. That's cool.

Anyways.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20173 votes

Up until some time ago, for society it was not tolerable to have a woman as a non-sexualized protagonist.

Things changed. Because people, and companies, perpetuated the change.

You cannot excuse Riot, because they are just perpetuating a wrong double-standard.

FasmodeySep 27, 20172 votes

Well, there is always possibility to have an incubus in the future. We had mankini Pool Party Graves Chroma lmao. We have Taric, Kayn, Rakan recently.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20172 votes

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Well, there is always possibility to have an incubus in the future. We had mankini Pool Party Graves Chroma lmao. We have Taric, Kayn, Rakan recently.

Taric, Kayn and Rakan are nothing like Evelynn, and you know it.

Imagine any of them having a splash art like the image I linked here, and having voicelines like the one I wrote here.

FasmodeySep 27, 20171 votes

I never have said they are same. But they are a step. Look at old male characters and say they are in same level with Kayn, Rakan and Taric.

It is a slow progress but they are trying their best without offending anyone.

I think there will be a point where you are satisfied.

CatastropSep 27, 20171 votes

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Taric, Kayn and Rakan are nothing like Evelynn, and you know it.

Imagine any of them having a splash art like the image I linked here, and having voicelines like the one I wrote here.

I'm not seeing the problem.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20171 votes

Good, then let's petition Riot for the next champion to be an incubus who seduces everyone.

RalanrSep 27, 20171 votes

Rakan pretty much seduces anyone. Having a charm helps.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20171 votes

Tell me you're not complaing Rakan, who is more about vanity and has a girlfriend and doesn't make sexual innuendos while striking sexy poses...... to EVELYNN.

Because if you really are comparing Rakan to Evelynn: wow, the double standard.

RalanrSep 27, 20171 votes

I'm saying Rakan has the ability to seduce people. Unlike Evelynn, he doesn't actually live based on seducing people.

Seductive male characters exist, none are in the level of Eve because she needs it to live.

SEKAISep 27, 20176 votes

Would you be embarassed playing that game around others? Would that make you a little unconfortable? Would you think it's stupid and targeted only to horny young girls?

Yes.

The problem with this argument is that many actually won't but you assume we would.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20171 votes

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The problem is that many actually won't.

Oh yeah?

Then why don't we add a rule 63 Evelynn to the game?

You and me both know it would cause an outrage. Heck, I can even imagine protests about "League Of Legends turning young kids into gays". But somehow young girls can and should witness characters like Evelynn.

HåppySep 27, 20173 votes

I thought Taric already existed? I mean, you can't say no when you're stunned. You are just *ss, waiting to be smashed. Sapphire for v_rginity.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20171 votes

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I thought Taric already existed?

Is Taric half-naked like a stripper?

Does Taric make many open sexual innuendos?

Is Taric about seducing characters?

HåppySep 27, 20173 votes

http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Taric_2.jpg

Yes.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20172 votes

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http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Taric_2.jpg

Yes.

Do you understand the difference between that pose, and the pose I showed here in this post?

Do you understand that Taric isn't making constant sexual innuendos, moaning, and striking sexy poses?

Do you understand Taric is "ironically funny" and Evelynn is "unironically sexy"?

SEKAISep 27, 20172 votes

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Do you understand the difference between that pose, and the pose I showed here in this post?

Do you understand that Taric isn't making constant sexual innuendos, moaning, and striking sexy poses?

Do you understand Taric is "ironically funny" and Evelynn is "unironically sexy"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGJYwWqnQfk The Japanese voice over for the original Taric perfectly captures what Riot was gunning for with his design,

Though Taric has been changed for a more serious tone, doesn't change the fact Taric was meant to be a sexy male champ, and still is one.

Mind you, Taric didn't even have anything to do with demonic seduction or whatever. He was just a knight being associated with gems. Doesn't stop him from having tons of moaning and let's say, ambiguous comments in his quote bank. And it's not like people even had any issues with it.

But I suppose a succubus doing what a succubus does is too much for you.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20171 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGJYwWqnQfk The Japanese voice over for the original Taric perfectly captures what Riot was gunning for with his design,

Though Taric has been changed for a more serious tone, doesn't change the fact Taric was meant to be a sexy male champ, and still is one.

Mind you, Taric didn't even have anything to do with demonic seduction or whatever. He was just a knight being associated with gems. Doesn't stop him from having tons of moaning and let's say, ambiguous comments in his quote bank. And it's not like people even had any issues with it.

But I suppose a succubus doing what a succubus does is too much for you.

Do you understand how much you are grasping at straws here? No?

Comparing Taric to Evelynn? Make Taric wear only a speedo, make him strike sexually suggestive poses, and make half of his voiceline be about innuendos. Oh, and remove all irony to his design: make him unironically objectified.

But no, your line of defense is "if you hear his voiceacting in one specific language, he may have one or two voicelines that might be perceived as vaguely sexy".

SEKAISep 27, 20172 votes

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Do you understand how much you are grasping at straws here? No?

Comparing Taric to Evelynn? Make Taric wear only a speedo, make him strike sexually suggestive poses, and make half of his voiceline be about innuendos. Oh, and remove all irony to his design: make him unironically objectified.

But no, your line of defense is "if you hear his voiceacting in one specific language, he may have one or two voicelines that might be perceived as vaguely sexy".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjEJMBBx0ns

The moaning and innuendo is present in his English/original voiceover in the old Taric. I simply choose Japanese VO because it's more intensified but the message is identical.

Also, Pool Party Taric is a thing in this game. If you want to see more of his albs, it's there. And no, the skin is not intended for humour, but fully intended to present Taric as being legitimately sexy. And YOU HAVE TO READ THIS : It appeals to BOTH sexes. Women are not goons who have no agenda and is incapable of picking preference and enjoy candies, nor are males pigs who are dictated by their Ds and their fantasies, you misguided fella.

Point is, he was a champ who had ZERO association to seduction in lore, but sports a quote library like that anyway, and no one was even having issues with it. And you have problems with Eve who is MEANT to be sexy because she's a cocking succubus?

Again, if you really have to have a seducing sexy male, Rakan is also in the game.

Sure, Evelynn is more glamorous than Rakan, but again, she's a succubus, and incarnation of lust. There is absolutely nothing wrong for her to be that way. And if one day Rakan or any new champs decides to go more sexualised, I'm sure no male player would even care; because we didn't when Riot released Rakan and alongside many other barely clothed male characters.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20171 votes

How many times do I have to repeat to you about the false equivalence?

Neither Taric nor Rakan nor Kayn are anything like Evelynn.

Because if they were, imagine the riots. The protests.

SEKAISep 27, 20174 votes

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How many times do I have to repeat to you about the false equivalence?

Neither Taric nor Rakan nor Kayn are anything like Evelynn.

Because if they were, imagine the riots. The protests.

It's like even I said Rakan is not equivalent to Evelynn but state they're HIGHLY similar just the latter is more extreme precisely because she's a god damn succubus while the other dudes aren't?

What's so wrong about a succubus champ being designed as a succubus?

You're just hating on Riot for not being COMPLETELY HIPSTER who doesn't do everything opposite to what's in a trope or something, which is just silly.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20171 votes

Here's a solution then: let's ask Riot to make a supersexualized incubus character.

SEKAISep 27, 20174 votes

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Here's a solution then: let's ask Riot to make a supersexualized incubus character.

Sure. It's not like I would have issues with it like you do with Eve.

That said, do keep in mind that designing a roster is less about filling a quota and box of checklists but about what artists involved actually want to design and end up with.

SEKAISep 27, 20171 votes

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You really believe this?

Because Riot hasn't anywhere reached the stage where the likes of EA is at yet, and even they have some genuine creativity and curiosity.

Again, checklists play a factor, but generally artists' creativity takes more hold of the process.

MistaFarenheitSep 27, 20173 votes

no1 is going to riot or protest because no1 gives a flying fuck about oversexualized male characters. darius could go top lane buck naked + helicopter dicking and i wouldnt care in the slightest. infact id buy the skin just because itd be hilarious to clap some1 with it.

Vhan8765Sep 27, 20171 votes

Best comment I've ever read. xD

MistaFarenheitSep 28, 20172 votes

bows gracefully

SEKAISep 27, 20173 votes

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Oh yeah?

Then why don't we add a rule 63 Evelynn to the game?

You and me both know it would cause an outrage. Heck, I can even imagine protests about "League Of Legends turning young kids into gays". But somehow young girls can and should witness characters like Evelynn.

There's Rakan and Kayn in the game.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20171 votes

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There's Rakan and Kayn in the game.

Do they dress, move and speak like the example I provided here?

No.

Neither Rakan nor Kayn make you unconfortable as they flaunt their body and make sexual innuendos. Both Rakan and Kayn are, essentially, about being cool. Not about being sexy. They're hot male guys, that a straight male wants to play as. Focused on a fantasy of power, not on being sexual fantasies.

SEKAISep 27, 20173 votes

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Do they dress, move and speak like the example I provided here?

No.

Neither Rakan nor Kayn make you unconfortable as they flaunt their body and make sexual innuendos. Both Rakan and Kayn are, essentially, about being cool. Not about being sexy. They're hot male guys, that a straight male wants to play as. Focused on a fantasy of power, not on being sexual fantasies.

See? You are a part of this problem. You choose to be selective and biased, for your shitty agenda.

Rakan and Kayn are both half-naked who flaunt their bodies, constantly, that's literally what they are made to do. Rakan specifically being that flamboyant, charming and "sexy" male character, who also often makes comments directly or indirectly pointing towards his relationship status and innuendos when together with Xayah.

Evelynn is more forward about it than Rakan because well, maybe it has something to do with her being a fucking succubus and an incarnation of lust of some description? It's not like there aren't male succubus around, they are called the incubus, or just male demon characters in general as they are typically depicted as highly seductive anyway (taking after the depiction of Satan I suppose, who are said to have been the most beautiful being both before and after their fall or something).

Also, I always despair and laugh when someone pull that argument towards the end of your post. So, when dev make sexy female character, it's for the male audience; when dev make sexy male character, it's also for the male audience. Yeah I suppose girls are useless little shit who can't have preferences and/or make choices of their own on what they like and want to play as; or that males are so dumb and hopeless they are only playing games to jerk off to EVERYTHING; that's not me being sexist and condescending, this is the message you send just so you can push your again, shitty agenda. Hence why this agenda is so shitty.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20171 votes

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So, when dev make sexy female character, it's for the male audience; when dev make sexy male character, it's also for the male audience.

Glad you understood that.

But allow me to ask: if we got a character that's pretty much a rule63 Evelynn, wearing only a speedo, constantly striking suggestive poses, and speaking explicit innuendo - would you be ok with it?

SEKAISep 27, 20172 votes

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So, when dev make sexy female character, it's for the male audience; when dev make sexy male character, it's also for the male audience.

Glad you understood that.

Glad I also understood that your argument is BS and you know it.

Admitting that you're using "doomed if you do, doomed if you don't" is not gonna reduce the amount of BS in it.

But allow me to ask: if we got a character that's pretty much a rule63 Evelynn, wearing only a speedo, constantly striking suggestive poses, and speaking explicit innuendo - would you be ok with it?

Yes I will be. Why wouldn't I?

I loved this anime called Souma of the Food Fight where people metaphorically explode into naked body when tasting good food (it's a cooking anime). And the character being the 'most naked' is a good looking male character who spent most of his screen time dressing in "naked apron" while flaunting their fit body with close-up shots on his ass, and he for whatever reason tend to do that to other male characters (it's your call to decide whether or not it was a nod at homosexuality, a comedy scene, a fujoshi bait, or all of the above); he dresses as such even in most of the other serious scenes. The series also has plenty other naked scenes of both male and female characters where it's shown in either comedic, casual or artistic fashion.

I not only finished the title (by that I mean up to date), it's one of my most liked because it just was paced, structured and illustrated that well. It's also generally well-received by anyone who doesn't dismiss the title up-front.

Point is sexual characters do not distract me and many others from enjoying a media they reside in, nor is sexualising characters itself a problem. It's only a problem if it's highly contrived, ill conceived and forced, make absolutely no sense on the character etc.

For Eve, it makes perfect sense, and there goes any sensible person's issue with it.

I also enjoy playing Kayn in LoL, because his playstyle is to my liking. You see, it doesn't have to be about sexuality and whatever fantasy you claim to be all what matters.

Ebonmaw DragonSep 27, 20172 votes

As a straight male, I actually wouldn't mind to have a "male" version of Evelyn in the game... I would even find it funny.

I mean, if Evelyn was REALLY a boy, and the op were a boy as well, complaining about the character because he feels embarassed... People would jump towards the thread and attack him for being intolerant. But somehow, when it's a female, it's alright.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20171 votes

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I mean, if Evelyn was REALLY a boy, and the op were a boy as well, complaining about the character because he feels embarassed... People would jump towards the thread and attack him for being intolerant. But somehow, when it's a female, it's alright.

No, it certainly doesn't seem alright at all, judging by all the hate I am getting.

In any case, you would actually make a pretty valid point here if the ratio of sexualized girls vs sexualized boys was even - in League and in other media.

But when it's the 10000000000000000th sexy succubus that we see, there's a gentlemen agreement you CAN complain about it.

When you get 1 sexy incubus, complaining about it feels just cheap.

Ebonmaw DragonSep 27, 20171 votes

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No, it certainly doesn't seem alright at all, judging by all the hate I am getting.

In any case, you would actually make a pretty valid point here if the ratio of sexualized girls vs sexualized boys was even - in League and in other media.

But when it's the 10000000000000000th sexy succubus that we see, there's a gentlemen agreement you CAN complain about it.

When you get 1 sexy incubus, complaining about it feels just cheap.

To be fair, this is the first case of a heavily sexualised champ, the closest thing to Eve is Ahri, but not even her goes that far and her lore indicates that her VO is outaded and should be less sexual.

If we compare sexualized Boys Vs Girls in "levels" we should have something like this:

Male:

Tier 1: Tier 1 Champs are the ones that look really appealing and their lores do have relation with that. Their VO also makes enfasis on their sexual appeal.

Tier 2: Rakan TwistedFate * Tier 2 Champs are the ones that look really appealing and their lores do have relation with that.

Tier 3: Varus Kayn Taric Braum Jayce Tier 3 Champs are the ones that look really appealing but their lores do not have relation with that.

Female:

Tier 1: Evelynn Tier 1 Champs are the ones that look really appealing and their lores do have relation with that. Their VO also makes enfasis on their sexual appeal.

Tier 2: Ahri MissFortune Elise Tier 2 Champs are the ones that look really appealing and their lores do have relation with that.

Tier 3: Janna Zyra Nidalee Sona Tier 3 Champs are the ones that look really appealing but their lores do not have relation with that.

((Tiers based on what people have said in their releases (before and after) and lore))

As you can see, Eve is the only champ that fully falls on the category of "Sexy Sucubus".

Sure, the "sexiness ratio" is a bit more inclined towards female champions, but it is tending to become more balanced with the releases of new characters like Kayn, Rakan and New Taric... in other hand, the "Sexy females" arent champions that Riot has released this year aside from Eve... who is a rework.

XIII VanitasSep 27, 20171 votes

I wouldn't care.

Btw, if you don't like her VO, you can go into your setting and mute it whenever you play Evelynn.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20171 votes

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I wouldn't care.

Btw, if you don't like her VO, you can go into your setting and mute it whenever you play Evelynn.

The very fact I have to go into settings and mute a character because said character sounds cringeworthy.... means there's something wrong with the game.

launches Heroes Of The Storm

XIII VanitasSep 27, 20172 votes

That's just your opinion and you're entitled to it, but she doesn't sound cringeworthy at all for me and many other players.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20171 votes

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That's just your opinion and you're entitled to it, but she doesn't sound cringeworthy at all for me and many other players.

So, you think commenting on how big a rod is, it's a perfectly good, clever voiceline.

XIII VanitasSep 27, 20172 votes

Considering all we know about Evelynn as a character, yes.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20171 votes

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Considering all we know about Evelynn as a character, yes.

So, what do we know about her?

That's she's sexy and seduces men. That's it.

XIII VanitasSep 27, 20172 votes

She's a demon, therefore she feeds on human pain. Demons can hurt humans only when particular conditions are met: for TK, humans have to stipulate a deal with him; for Eve, humans need to touch her while lusting for her.

LunSeiSleideeSep 27, 20171 votes

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She's a demon, therefore she feeds on human pain. Demons can hurt humans only when particular conditions are met: for TK, humans have to stipulate a deal with him; for Eve, humans need to touch her while lusting for her.

"She breathes through her skin, it makes sense!"

XIII VanitasSep 27, 20172 votes

Sorry, but I don't get the reference and I don't appreciate that kind of rebuttal.