Am I the only person who thinks Champions have way to big of power gaps in lore?

The Trent··3 votes·1,293 views

Like imagine Ezreal vs Vayne. Ezreal isn't very experienced at all, he just found a magical gauntlet that lets him teleport. If Vayne was to have a reason to kill him, even tho she probably never would, Ezreal would go down. But now think about Vayne V.S. Malphite or Aurelion, they're literally giants.

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Voidrey6 votes

that's true, but the pool wouldn't be as diverse if everyone was at the same power level. you would have to give weak guys some super mega power up, or majorly downplay the strength of every near god-like being.

The Trent1 votes

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that's true, but the pool wouldn't be as diverse if everyone was at the same power level. you would have to give weak guys some super mega power up, or majorly downplay the strength of every near god-like being.

You could compensate by like making certain champs really smart like Sivir (I'm not sure if Sivir being a super smart bandit queen is still lore, but she was). You could also make them like GP where they have really good connections with people, like Illoai, who is the holder of a god's power. Like you know what I'm sayin?

Skelenth3 votes

Are those power gaps actually important? Vayne will probably never meet Aurelion Sol or Malphite. See, most if not all champions that are extremely powerful (Sol, Xerath) interact in an environment where they may still be stronger than everyone else, but the dimensions differ. Xerath almost only interacts with the Ascended. Aurelion Sol almost only interacts with the Targonain Aspects and the Void. I can't think of any champion in lore that has a Vayne-to-Aurelion Sol-like power gap to his environment.

The Trent1 votes

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Are those power gaps actually important? Vayne will probably never meet Aurelion Sol or Malphite. See, most if not all champions that are extremely powerful (Sol, Xerath) interact in an environment where they may still be stronger than everyone else, but the dimensions differ. Xerath almost only interacts with the Ascended. Aurelion Sol almost only interacts with the Targonain Aspects and the Void. I can't think of any champion in lore that has a Vayne-to-Aurelion Sol-like power gap to his environment.

Cough Ashe and Lissandra Cough

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

There is a potential problem with Xerath's power in his relation to Sivir. Sivir is his big target right now and from what he has shown in his fight with Nasus that meeting should go like this:

Xerath: Good evening, my dear, would you happen to be Sivir?

Sivir: why yes, that's me! What a happy coincidence to bump into someone looking for me.

Xerath: Quite. (Melts her with a beam of energy of roughly the 2000 degrees F)

And there's really nothing Sivir can do about that. But if that doesn't happen Xerath looks like an idiot because he'd have to be to fail when he has such power at his fingertips. And if it does succeed or requires Nasus and/or Renekton to keep setting him back then Sivir becomes a protagonist with absolutely no influence on her story. Which would just suck for Sivir fans.

Having widely divergent power can be done. But it's very difficult to navigate that disparity.

The other option is to just ignore it completely and tell your readers to not think about it. Like how Batman has faced Darkseid several times and not died. People do accept it, but usually the interactions do make Darkseid look much dumber and weaker than he is when facing Superman and Wonder Woman.

Ralanr1 votes

Doesn't Sivir have a spell shield she could use against Xerath?

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

I honestly don't know if that's in the story or just gameplay. I think it's in the same category as Garen's ult which was said to not be what he can actually do in the story. But I could be wrong.

It'd also have to be one hell of a shield. The sheer variety and firepower that Xerath displays in his fight is potentially earth breaking if used properly.

And that's not even getting into the energy needed for star creation, or time travel, or instantaneous teleportation. All of which would require so much energy it just gets ridiculous.

Ralanr1 votes

I think it might just be a "trick" that her weapon has by nature of being an ancient and powerful weapon (it was used by an ascended, so it must be more than a key). It'd also be more of an antimagic bubble than a straight up shield (which would be amped up for story reasons).

This is for Sivir to help run from Xerath. There is no way in hell she could beat him 1v1.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

That could work, yeah. Of course it can be beat by just magicing anything around her. Like the ceiling to fall on her or the earth to break below her. But, I can see that working once. If Xerath is a bit dumb. Which goes back to the problem.

Unless it is a huge anti-magic wave that just turns off his ability to do magic completely. But that again suffers from a protagonist not having much impact on her own story. Sivir doesn't beat Xerath. She just happens to have an anti-Xerath item that solves problems for her.

Now this isn't to say that the Xerath/Sivir story can't be satisfactory or even downright enjoyable.

But heavy unbalanced powers do make writing a satisfying story difficult. Unless the audience doesn't care about the logic of the characters and story and just want to watch things blow up. Then it gets much easier to write. Which is a perfectly fine way to write things, it just doesn't interest me at all.

Ralanr1 votes

The power dynamic was always going to be an issue (in fact it was why they removed the IoW in the first place) but it becomes a much smaller issue when you realize that all of these champions are not taking part in the same story, just the same setting.

Basically we don't need to worry about situations like Yasuo having to fight Sol because those situations are extremely unlikely.

With Sivir and Xerath, we know Sivir isn't fighting Xerath or fighting him alone.

Fasmodey1 votes

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Doesn't Sivir have a spell shield she could use against Xerath?

I think it is the amulet that Nasus gave. It blocked Xerath's magical vision, so It makes sense to assume It blocks magic temporarily (That's what Nasus says). Even gameplay wise It makes sense since It blocks temporarily.

Jeddy0172 votes

What is this, Dragon Ball Z? Who cares about the power gaps? Is every character suppose to fight every character? A majority of the roster would probably never even meet each other in the lore, much less have a reason to fight each other. I doubt we would ever see a story of Ezreal vs Vayne or MissFortune vs AurelionSol.

The Soulforged1 votes

yeah, it's stupid

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

We have Death (Kindred ) in the game and a fucking sheriff (Caitlyn ). Of course there's huge powergaps.

The Trent1 votes

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We have Death (Kindred ) in the game and a fucking sheriff (Caitlyn ). Of course there's huge powergaps.

Tbh, I think Caitlyn could outsmart death. Idk tho.

Ralanr2 votes

Nothing outsmarts death, at least not for long.

The Trent1 votes

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Nothing outsmarts death, at least not for long.

Tbh, Kindred might not be real (theres a theory that her, jhin, and braum are just fairy tails and not real), also Kindred seems really dumb to me. Idk if it's just me, but I think a detective prodigy could easily outsmart a man who cut himself in half so he would never be alone.

Ralanr1 votes

Jhin is definitely real in lore.

The Trent1 votes

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Jhin is definitely real in lore.

I mean you might wanna google the video before saying that lol.

Ralanr1 votes

Considering how he impacts both Zed and Shen, I don't know how he couldn't.

The Trent1 votes

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Considering how he impacts both Zed and Shen, I don't know how he couldn't.

Do you think I watched the video either? Well I didn't, so I can't tell you the theory.

ABlueQuaker1 votes

This used to be remedied by the Institute - the likes of Renekton and Nasus effectively had their power limited so that it was a fair fight.

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