@Riot: Is there the possibility of VO-only updates?

SaltyToplaneGoat··52 votes·8,567 views

I'd love to have some voiceovers from the older champs expanded - compared to they new champs they just sound repetive and lame with their very limited number of lines.

So, would it be possible or not?

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RiotRiot Scruffy14 votes

It's definitely possible, but I would say it's highly unlikely. This is because VO is a very time consuming and expensive process for us (just the nature of it, not a bad thing), so if we're going through all of the trouble to do a champs VO we would likely put some gameplay or visual changes in at the same time.

Jeddy0178 votes

So,the missed opportunities will still be missed opportunities?

Oleandervine2 votes

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It's definitely possible, but I would say it's highly unlikely. This is because VO is a very time consuming and expensive process for us (just the nature of it, not a bad thing), so if we're going through all of the trouble to do a champs VO we would likely put some gameplay or visual changes in at the same time.

Why didn't visual updates like Alistar and Singed receive VO updates? Their voices are still very 2009, in that they have next to no interaction with anything else in the game, nor do they have an extensive supply of remarks.

TerraRising2 votes

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Why didn't visual updates like Alistar and Singed receive VO updates? Their voices are still very 2009, in that they have next to no interaction with anything else in the game, nor do they have an extensive supply of remarks.

Because the scope of the work wasn't enough to justify the expense of a new set of voice over lines.

It's more than just recording a bunch of lines. Most actors don't do things in one take, and directors often require subtle differences, depending on the work. That requires a lot of hours in the booth, recording, remixing and editing, and everyone needs to be paid for their time.

For example, with Twitch's rework, three complete sets of readings were recorded, depending on which direction the company was going to take the champion.

I do think that there were missed opportunities with these reworks to add more lines of dialogue and I wish Riot thought the added expense was worth the value.

Shankspeare111 votes

I think it's a square/rectangle situation, as in not every visual update includes a new VO, but every VO update is part of a greater visual update.

ChimeiTekinaNasu2 votes

I actually like a lot of champions original voices. One thing that's always hard for me to adjust to is new actors replacing the original. Like with Tristana. I kind of liked her old voice better, but I do like her new lines. Kind of wish it could be old voice plus new lines.

TheI3igDaddy4 votes

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It's definitely possible, but I would say it's highly unlikely. This is because VO is a very time consuming and expensive process for us (just the nature of it, not a bad thing), so if we're going through all of the trouble to do a champs VO we would likely put some gameplay or visual changes in at the same time.

I find it hard to take your post seriously when Trist and Alistar's visual updates came out practically together, and Alistar didn't get any new lines while Tristana did..

FatedTitan6 votes

I understand they're expensive, but then we get people like Alistar, Singed, Kassadin, and others who have all of 10 lines (if that), but they got their VU so they're in that weird spot of not needing an update except to their lines...

Thelmon5 votes

I think there is also the issue of the lore. While some lines are not lore related, some are. So maybe they don't want to go giving champs new VO until the lore is finally solidified again. That way they can add lines that are lore related at the same time as ones that aren't.

GhostOfShrimpmas2 votes

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It's definitely possible, but I would say it's highly unlikely. This is because VO is a very time consuming and expensive process for us (just the nature of it, not a bad thing), so if we're going through all of the trouble to do a champs VO we would likely put some gameplay or visual changes in at the same time.

So, does this mean that Kassadin and Alistar, who just got visual updates, will never move beyond their 8 line VO's? And Kassadin's joke will never make sense?

Derpy Mike1 votes

You know, it's funny. I used to jokingly make silly remarks about how Riot spent the next three years of their allocated VO budget on Karthus and Sion's voices because of how unnecessarily long they are. Given the recent(and future in the case of Kass) releases of various champion visual updates without updated voices, I'm worried that there might be some truth to these joking, silly remarks of mine.

Honestly It's really upsetting that you guys are willing to go through all the effort required to make Alistar no longer look like shit, but decide to opt-out of updating his 12-line voice over.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Whoa... I didn't expect a Red to actually REPLY to this... so... ähm... well... nervously sweating intensifies

Ok, on a more serious note: I consider a VO to be the same amount of work as a VU, just with a different focus. Art takes time and so does voice-acting. I don't expect you to update every champ in the next two months, that would be impossible of course, but I think it should be possible to get a VO-Update out once every few months (you know, just with the speed of VU's). If you can "sneak in" such an update in combination with a VU or VGU that would be awesome too, but combining that takes even more time and ressources. There are champs in no need for a great visual and gameplay update but have still very limited lines to say.

I think it would be an awesome way for the Lore team to focus on champion interactions without having to write out pages of story. I wonder what Kayle and Morgana have to say to each other. Or how the Noxus Bros talk to each other (Draven and Darius - I can imagine some really cool lines when they are in opposing teams. On another note: Super Noxus Brothers as skin - there should be no legal concerns if it's an obvious parody of nintendo...). What about Sivir and Azir? Or what about Evelyn and Twisted Fate? I still wonder about their relationship - although I get the feeling it's veeeeeeeery complicated.

But I'm glad to hear that it's actually possible :)

Ark Angel HFB2 votes

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It's definitely possible, but I would say it's highly unlikely. This is because VO is a very time consuming and expensive process for us (just the nature of it, not a bad thing), so if we're going through all of the trouble to do a champs VO we would likely put some gameplay or visual changes in at the same time.

Why is it so pricey... recording studio time can't be that much?

I mean if every other crap anime can get whole episodes voiced, why can't a game with 27 million daily players get maybe 30 lines voiced?

It is simply you do not think the quality of the product increasing is worth the cost?

Necrolegion891 votes

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It's definitely possible, but I would say it's highly unlikely. This is because VO is a very time consuming and expensive process for us (just the nature of it, not a bad thing), so if we're going through all of the trouble to do a champs VO we would likely put some gameplay or visual changes in at the same time.

I wish you'd at least look at this Scruffy, but:

With VO, would it be possible to bring certain champions up to date with current champions?

Like for example, with the release of Rek'Sai you guys released a champion with no actual lines, just growls and sound effects. Would it be possible for other void creatures to get the same treatment? Like Cho'Gath and Kog'Maw? Both of those champions do not seem capable of speech, yet they do and they sound horrible.

Something like this wouldn't seem as expensive as hiring and paying a person for their voice. Just creating or reusing existing sound effects you guys have.

Omnipherious12 votes

Of course it's possible. In fact, they should/need to be doing this already. Whenever a voice-actor is cast, they should work out a way to easily call them back or at the very least, an easy way to record extra lines.

It is a little sad when you think about how Jinx was released without any little additions to Vi or Caitlyn despite the story connection.

Sadder when you realize that Darius and Draven were released back-to-back with no references to each other at all.

The old man on the Howling Abyss makes a sand witch joke to Lissandra and doesn't get a new line for Azir's release? What blasphemy is that?

If anything, champion VOs should be way longer and references to future/unfinished content can be stored for hook up at a later date. This is the type of foresight and planning that will make things great.

Rengar was released a month before Kha'zix and he had references ready. If it's not yet, then it should be more common than it currently is.

SaltyToplaneGoat14 votes

The missing character interactions are what stings me the most. Kayle and Morgana not having a single line for each other? Really? The same applies to all old champs that weren't reworked yet - apart form Alistar who got no VOupdate with his VU

Omnipherious3 votes

Hopefully there will be more forethought put into the VOs when the reworks come.

TTUPhoenix2 votes

Morgana's got a reasonable number of voice lines, at least. Kayle has very, very few, however.

paulolol3 votes

Jinx has special taunts for Vi and Caitlyn. It's just hard to actually pull it off in a real game because you have to be so close to them for the taunt to work.

Omnipherious1 votes

Yes, I am aware of those.

I meant Vi and Caitlyn have no references to Jinx.

OblongOtter8 votes

I second this.

Laughing Fish8 votes

They need to add character interactions between Heimerdinger and Viktor. They are the two greatest inventors in the game, but have vastly different approaches. Not to mention they both even have a robotic arm. Also, Draven and Darius need interactions.

Audiomancy4 votes

Donger actually has a taunt for Viktor:

"If you wish to replace all humans, there will be no-one left to appreciate your work!"

Sadly no mention to his robot hand though. Which is surprising since Heimer has one too.

Laughing Fish4 votes

Yeah, that just need more interactions across the board. I think every champion should have a special interaction for at least 10 other champs.

The Y2J Problem7 votes

I agree 100%. It's so annoying to play a champ like Malphite or someone only to hear the same tired lines over and over again.

shalexade8 votes

YOU WILL LOSE.

YOU WILL LOSE.

YOU WILL LOSE.

YOU WILL LOSE.

Mistress Madoka4 votes

ROCK SOLID ROCK SOLID ROCK SOLID ROCK SOLID ROCK SOLID ROCK SOLID ROCK SOLID ROCK SOLID

junglerboy161 votes

Rammus

"OK!" "ok..." "Okay." "Yeah." "Alright." "Yeh." "Hmm." "Right."

And that is ALL of his lines, not even just spamming one...

Jeddy0175 votes

I mean,Diana was release about a year after Leona,yet so has no reference to our beloved Sun warrior.Um.......missed opportunities?

Edbwn3 votes

Chogath Blitzcrank Fiddlesticks Malphite Nidalee just her champ select quote lol, Tryndamere Vladimir . Actually, Cho and Malphite probably just need full VU's. Anyway, I agree with your idea :)

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

Cho TU looking pretty nice tho

Edbwn1 votes

Yeah, I agree! He will eventually need a full VU though you gotta admit. And I think Riot is already making plans to do one eventually. :)

MeesterMoo3 votes

OkRammus Rammus

rinsujo2 votes

Don't you dare change the armordillo.

Tesla Effect2 votes

Here are all the champions that need new VO (because they have so little, for lore reasons, or for amazing character to character interactions):

Ahri Akali Alistar Amumu Blitzcrank Brand Caitlyn Chogath Corki Diana Darius DrMundo Evelynn Ezreal Fiddlesticks Fiora Galio Gangplank Gragas Graves Irelia Janna JarvanIV Jax Jayce Kassadin Katarina Kayle Kennen KogMaw Leblanc LeeSin Leona Lux Malphite Malzahar MissFortune Mordekaiser Morgana Nami Nautilus Nunu Olaf Pantheon Poppy Rammus Riven Rumble Ryze Shaco Shen Shyvana Singed Soraka Swain Talon Taric Teemo Thresh Tryndamere Udyr Urgot Vayne Veigar Viktor Vladimir Volibear Warwick MonkeyKing XinZhao Yorick Ziggs Zilean Zed

Probably even forgot some of them, like wow, so much.

MeesterMoo2 votes

What is wrong with like, half of these champions???

Tesla Effect1 votes

Didnt you read the reasons (sigh)

Overlord Forte1 votes

I believe the primary issue is contracting work with the voice actors/actresses. An idea like this was raised before in the past, and basically real world limitations nullified the practicality of it.

That's not to talk about bi-annual/annual audio updates, though.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

I know that voice acting takes some time and organization. But on the other hand it wouldn't take several months to call people in and record them saying, dunno, 30 new lines. Even with recording it several times it shouldn't be too time consuming.

Sharjo2 votes

Yes but it's not one voice actor. It's Dozens. Any VO work done has to be translated and recorded in as many languages as League is played in. That's a LOT of languages and that's the main reason why VOs are what seems to be left out more often than not; despite what it may appear, that shit takes a lot of time because it's effectively multiplying the workload exponentially.

Omnipherious4 votes

Plenty of VAs do one-off roles for animated TV shows and ads; plenty also get called back to reprise their roles. Sometimes things need recording/rerecording and the VAs record then send their stuff over from home. Many Youtubers and VAs have access to good equipment and can produce studio quality sounds.

Maintaining a good relationship with the VAs, drafting good contract terms, scheduling well, etc, all fall on Riot. If they are unable to call people back then it is the fault of the system they have in place.

If the VAs have a good relationship with Riot and enjoyed working on the character, there is no reason for them not to come back unless they are so swamped with other projects. But even then, it's not like Riot can't say , "Yo, the next time your schedule frees up give us a holla".

Zerana1 votes

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I believe the primary issue is contracting work with the voice actors/actresses. An idea like this was raised before in the past, and basically real world limitations nullified the practicality of it.

That's not to talk about bi-annual/annual audio updates, though.

Yeah but we have voice modulators now they have gotten MUCH MUCH better in the last 4 to 5 years so you can just make the modulator emulate the old voice actors voice. Fresh VO's should not even be an issue at this point and if there are no pros for this in house just hire a member of the vocaloid crew (or something).

Jesus is Savior1 votes

The answer is no, because the voice actors work on a per-champion basis via contract. They are not a persistent hourly/salary employee that works for Riot.

Riot is not going to pay an expensive voice actor to come in if they are not completely remaking the champ.

BLU Medic1 votes

That doesn't mean that Riot can't contact them and ask if they can record a few extra lines. Alright, you need to sort out extra voice lines for other languages too, but they can probably be done gradually.

Like, for example, Nolan North has done voices all over the place.

Variks the Loyal1 votes

Don't forget they need to get a voice actor for every language League of Legends is in, and then need to edit and mix, like if they need to put special effects or a filter on it.

Civil Dawn1 votes

Limited Voices? Rammus Ok.

junglerboy161 votes

6 whole lines and a select quote. "Yeh."

Squarefighter1 votes

THE MAGIC IT CALLS TO ME

THE MAGIC IT CALLS TO ME

THE MAGIC IT CALLS TO ME

GreenLore1 votes

Yeah,whenever a champ gets a model-update only I think "oh man,he looks cool now,but his animations and VO still suck :("

I would love it if some champs got some VO updates from time to time(and no not only during events,like Renekton or Cassio)

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