Camille vs Fiora

Eternal791·Jan 17, 2017·2 votes·5,235 views

The two duelists of League. As far as game-play goes, Fiora counters Camille pretty dang hard. But what about in the lore? Is Fiora's skill with a sword any match for Camille's experience and performance enhancing augmentations?

My vote goes to Camille. She's older and more experienced than Fiora and is augmented with hextech that greatly enhances the limits of her body and over all turns her into a living weapon.

What do you guys think?

P.S. this would make an awesome cinematic.

35 Comments

Weiner the PoohJan 17, 20177 votes

Fiora would win. She might be younger but she has 30+ battles fought and won, plus Jax considers her to be a real opponent(That's saying something) plus she is the most feared combatant for single combat in all of rubeterra. She's lightning fast and extremely precise. So despite her age being younger, she's still likely the better combatant.

Eternal791Jan 17, 20172 votes

While I respect your opinion, I highly doubt that she's faster and has fought and killed more people than Camille. Camille is around 80 years old and has been doing her thing since she was in her 20's (I think that's right). So she's been killing people for around 60 years. Camille's lore says her augmentations enhance her performance in many ways. I'm sure speed, stamina and strength are all part of that... and then their's durability. She's got a lot of metal on her body that Fiora's sword won't do much to. The comic Severed Ties seems to show her situational analysis skills are amplified by brain and eye augmentations, allowing her to be one (or more) steps ahead of the un-augmented human. Everything about Camille says she is inhumanly precise. And yeah, Fiora is the most feared combatant in runeterra. So what? Not many know about Camille. Camille is also shown to be highly skilled at taking on multiple threats at once with relative ease. I don't think one person, no matter how skilled, would stand much of a chance against her.

There's my more detailed reasoning for why Camille would curb stomp Fiora. Which the sound of Camille curb stomping (in the literal sense) any one just sounds painful. I mean her feat are blades.

Valaran NaraJan 17, 20171 votes

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There's my more detailed reasoning for why Camille would curb stomp Fiora. Which the sound of Camille curb stomping (in the literal sense) any one just sounds painful. I mean her feat are blades.

Then, if you ever played any of the Gears of War games...

Automated RivenJan 17, 20171 votes

You missed the (lore wise Jax thinks she is a real opponent.) lore wise Jax had to have his weapon taken away because he was too God Damn strong with one. So if fiora is a real opponent for someone that nobody else could stand up to. That's a really bloody strong person.

SkelenthJan 17, 20173 votes

You're mixing old and new lore

Automated RivenJan 17, 20171 votes

-_- they need to stop retconning shit

GreenLoreJan 17, 20173 votes

I'd say Fiora might win in a direct duel. Sure Camille is older and has more experience,but Fiora is more or less specialized in duels,wheras Camille likely uses sneak attacks for more difficult opponents(and Camille likely faces highly trained enemies only rarely)

Eternal791Jan 17, 20171 votes

Camille is an elite operative who grew up in a rich family and likely was able to hire some pretty good trainers; meanwhile Fiora, while also rich, is only self taut. Fiora specializes in duels. Camille specializes in adapting to kill her target no matter the circumstances. And considering Camille is an elite operative, she likely goes after a lot of elite targets. If anything, I think Fiora would be an equal match for Camille at the most; but not a superior one.

GreenLoreJan 17, 20173 votes

Fiora is someone whose abilities stand out in Demacia,the country with the best trained army of the known world.

And she isn't self-taught,she was trained by her brother.

I'm not saying that Camille stands no chance,but that I think that Fiora(whose fricking title is "the grand duelist") would win in the end.

BerserknurpleJan 17, 20172 votes

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Camille is an elite operative who grew up in a rich family and likely was able to hire some pretty good trainers; meanwhile Fiora, while also rich, is only self taut. Fiora specializes in duels. Camille specializes in adapting to kill her target no matter the circumstances. And considering Camille is an elite operative, she likely goes after a lot of elite targets. If anything, I think Fiora would be an equal match for Camille at the most; but not a superior one.

Fiora shouldn't be taken lightly. Demacian steel has been shown to have magical properties in the Shadow Isles lore, and Fiora certainly has that. Camille is augmented, but she never had to fight without augments. She has always relied on being literally "better" than her opponents. Better gear, better money, better tea. It fits with her lore quite well I think.

Fiora specializes in fighting single adversaries who are well-trained and equipped.

Camille specializes in surprising people who upset the balance of power for her family. Almost all of these people I would wager are just inferior augments to herself.

I think that either of them could feasibly win, it would have to come down to other details.

Eternal791Jan 17, 20171 votes

Camille didn't start her job by getting augments, so she has fought people without them. And I wouldn't be surprised if her family hired Demacians to train her since they are the best. And considering Fiora isn't augmented at all, it's pretty likely Camille would have the upper hand. And I think you guys are underestimating what 60 years of experience can do for one, especially when their lore states they became adept in combat before she was ever even augmented and before 60 years went by. And she became adept in combat... not just sneak attacks.

BerserknurpleJan 17, 20171 votes

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Camille didn't start her job by getting augments, so she has fought people without them. And I wouldn't be surprised if her family hired Demacians to train her since they are the best. And considering Fiora isn't augmented at all, it's pretty likely Camille would have the upper hand. And I think you guys are underestimating what 60 years of experience can do for one, especially when their lore states they became adept in combat before she was ever even augmented and before 60 years went by. And she became adept in combat... not just sneak attacks.

Being "adept" in combat is a far cry from being the greatest single duelist in a country known for a highly trained military. Demacians are very isolationist so it's doubtful they'd allow the training of foreigners.

Someone like Olaf isn't augmented but I guarantee he'd destroy Camille.

Camille is a "shadow" as her title suggests. Lore-wise,she's an assassin. She doesn't do fair fights, and if she was forced to, I don't think she'd do all that well. I don't think Fiora would win every time but Camille certainly wouldn't either.

Eternal791Jan 17, 20171 votes

In her comic and short story The Weakest Heart, you clearly see she can fight without the element of surprise (mainly in the story). In fact in the short story she won a fight against like 6 others, which was surely a theoretically unfair fight for her... but she won. Yeah, those were just a bunch thugs off the streets of Zaun, but still. could Fiora take on all six of those augmented guys at once and win? Just because Camille is an assassin, doesn't mean she can't fight with extreme prowess. And you keep thinking Camille is solely and assassin. She's not. Her lore says she's also a body guard, a spy, an interrogator. She's the sword and shield of her family. A multi tasked and multi skilled elite. And sure being adept doesn't compare to being a master, but Camille was adept at the beginning of her career. Surely she's become a master over 60 years.

And what does Olaf have over Camille? I'm really not familiar with his lore.

EDIT: I read Olaf's lore. Not entirely convinced he would defeat her unless she tried to fight like he does, by brute forcing his way strait into him. Camille is trickier than that. She dances around, dodges or blocks attacks and calculates how best to bring her opponent down with the maximum amount of precision. Likely she could kill Olaf before he even has a chance to take a swing at her. Fiora on the other hand would be a tougher opponent, but I still don't think she would win... at least not without Camille taking her down with her.

MogarlJan 17, 20171 votes

In her story comic she basically says she prefers attacking with surprise.

"There's a moment, a mental stutter, where the mind stalls as it attempts to process the unexpected." "That moment is all I need."

Camille, in every fight she has been shown to win, has won because her opponents were oblivious of the extents of her augments. While you may think that Camille may be able to beat Fiora the fight would still be pretty straight forward for Fiora. Stab the big blue rock.

Eternal791Jan 17, 20171 votes

Look at the 5th page of the comic. Do you really think Fiora can do everything she does there? Camille appears to be faster, more agile and adaptive to situations. That's not to say Fiora isn't fast, agile and adaptive, but again, she's used to dealing with one person at a time. And normal people at that. Camille is super-human.

MogarlJan 18, 20171 votes

Taking out a bunch of goons is very different from what Fiora does. Fiora fights one on one vs. skilled opponents that have had formal training in how to fight. Camille, who has formal training, fights goons and greater goons. Nearly everyone she has been shown to fight has likely never had any degree of formal training and are completely self taught while also dependent on their augments to get an upperhand.

Camille beating up a bunch of thugs is not reasonable evidence to say that she could beat Fiora.

Eternal791Jan 18, 20171 votes

A bunch of augmented goons with blades and/or guns > a single sword wielding Fiora with no augmentations at all.

You're vastly missing the point. You don't see Fiora effortlessly dodging attacks from multiple enemies and flying through the air to kill each one with surgical precision... all within a very short time span. You do see Camille doing that. It really doesn't matter whether they are trained or not, cause Camille has the skill and reflexes to deal with multiple at a time; meanwhile, Fiora is just one person who specializes in fighting one person at a time. Camille specializes in fighting period. She likely took out the all those goons in nearly as short a time span as it takes Fiora to kill her usual opponents... which is pretty dang fast. Fiora is an extremely skilled fighter but she's never fought anyone even remotely like Camille; who is stronger, faster, more precise and all around sharper than the average un-augmented (and augmented) human... which is exactly what Fiora is. She's a normal human being. All the training in the world doesn't change that. Camille is super human.

Super Human trumps Human.

That's not to say Fiora wouldn't be a difficult fight for Camille. Fiora may even come close to winning, but I think it is far more likely that Camille would win in the end.

MogarlJan 18, 20171 votes

Fiora has a single story about her dueling a single person. However if the direction Jax's lore seemed to be heading holds true, she'll end up fighting monsters spawned from Icathia.

Camille has a ton of development that shows what she's capable of. Fiora has a single story of her effortlessly dispatching someone else in a duel.

Also

Batman > Superman

Eternal791Jan 18, 20171 votes

Batman beat superman cause he was more experienced, actually had training (superman didn't as far as I'm aware) and had gotten a hold of cryptonite. Camille doesn't have any weakness like cryptonite and is more a combination of both batman and superman rather than one or the other. She is both super human and has training and more experience.

SoultakerKatanaJan 20, 20171 votes

Camille weakness is her hexcore which is her heart and her source of power take that our or her eyes which are also augmented and thats game. this fight can go in any way though but its obvious to say Camille because she looks deadlier.

SoultakerKatanaJan 20, 20171 votes

its pretty simple Camille is an assassin while Fiora is a duelist this 1v1 is at her advantage before it starts. All Fiora has to do is attack Camille hexcore a pretty obvious target. as it says in the lore Fiora can slice a neck in a blink of the eye

Eternal791Jan 20, 20171 votes

Camille is more than just an assassin if you actually read her lore. She has combat training, not just assassination training. And Camille takes out multiple people in a blink of an eye. So you're right, it could be over before it starts, but not in favor of who you think.

Also, Camilles heart is a crystal... also known as a rock. Swords kind of don't cut rocks very easily. Either way, its really no different then a normal human when it comes to that. Stab them in the heart and they're dead. But Camille is shown to be faster and more agile than Fiora is ever shown to be.

BerserknurpleJan 17, 20171 votes

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In her comic and short story The Weakest Heart, you clearly see she can fight without the element of surprise (mainly in the story). In fact in the short story she won a fight against like 6 others, which was surely a theoretically unfair fight for her... but she won. Yeah, those were just a bunch thugs off the streets of Zaun, but still. could Fiora take on all six of those augmented guys at once and win? Just because Camille is an assassin, doesn't mean she can't fight with extreme prowess. And you keep thinking Camille is solely and assassin. She's not. Her lore says she's also a body guard, a spy, an interrogator. She's the sword and shield of her family. A multi tasked and multi skilled elite. And sure being adept doesn't compare to being a master, but Camille was adept at the beginning of her career. Surely she's become a master over 60 years.

And what does Olaf have over Camille? I'm really not familiar with his lore.

EDIT: I read Olaf's lore. Not entirely convinced he would defeat her unless she tried to fight like he does, by brute forcing his way strait into him. Camille is trickier than that. She dances around, dodges or blocks attacks and calculates how best to bring her opponent down with the maximum amount of precision. Likely she could kill Olaf before he even has a chance to take a swing at her. Fiora on the other hand would be a tougher opponent, but I still don't think she would win... at least not without Camille taking her down with her.

You make good points, I think we need to know more to say one way or the other though.

Olaf killed a 600 foot long sea serpent single-handedly. Then it rose from the dead, and he killed it again. He fought off entire armies. He's more a legend than a human being. Olaf is doomed to die of old age... He can't die in battle.

Eternal791Jan 17, 20172 votes

I think we've come to an agreement. As much as I think Camille would win and you think Fiora would win, we really don't know for sure. Riot. Please make a cinematic off of this. It would be awesome no matter who wins.

BerserknurpleJan 18, 20171 votes

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I think we've come to an agreement. As much as I think Camille would win and you think Fiora would win, we really don't know for sure. Riot. Please make a cinematic off of this. It would be awesome no matter who wins.

Yeah that would be so cool!

SoultakerKatanaJan 20, 20171 votes

just gonna say that Camille was weakened by i think 3 thugs when she was trying to protect her ex's nephew.

Eternal791Jan 20, 20171 votes

She wasn't weakened. She was restrained by a whip and still kicked their butts.

RlP K0BEJan 17, 20172 votes

Fiora would still have her abilities though right? If thats the case im going with Fiora

Eternal791Jan 17, 20171 votes

Yes and no. She'd do all those things but they wouldn't work quite like they do in game. They'd work more realistically and take stamina and skill... which I think Camille has more of given her experience and hextech heart.

KjarikJan 18, 20171 votes

I think everyone in this thread misses that Fiora is much more used to fight conventional weapons held in hand - usually swords, sometimes maybe hammers, axes or whatever. Not freaking ridiculous leg-blades. As much I am biased towards Fiora in this duel, it'd certainly be a tough fight for her.

LùmenJan 19, 20171 votes

"A nimble blade wins the fight but a keen mind wins the war."

Meep ManJan 19, 20171 votes

Multiple factors have to be put into play:

How much do they know about each other?
Where are they?
What are each of their current states (how are they at the start of the fight?)?
What time is it?

SoultakerKatanaJan 20, 20171 votes

nothing but the fact that could tell that she is obviously augmented at her heart aka hexcore the big blue thing on her chest, legs, thighs, and eye. She will focus those.
empty arena no distractions
has everything in their kit.
day/noon having it at night would give an unfair advantage because of her augments though

InThyHonorFeb 4, 20171 votes

Ahh, this thread reminds me of the time when Sasuke was confirmed to surpass Madara. As a recurring theme in all of fiction, talent trumps over experience/hard work/whatever most of the time.

Now back on topic, I would like to understand how Camille dumpstering some fodder characters accounts to more than Fiora gaining respect from an actually developed character who is so insanely good that he had to have his weapons away. I don't care about silly Spiderman villain-style augmentations. The fact of the matter is that it is not possible to compare the two in terms of feats when only one of them has a fair bit of source material. But since you did mention that this is an 1v1 in an arena and Fiora already has knowledge of her presence is pretty much a curbstomp, or at most a mid-difficulty. And the fact that she is super-human accounts to nothing at all in an universe where a half-dead Irelia is brought back to life and proceeds to murder tons of Noxian military troops effortlessly. They are all superhuman. At the end of the day that is what unnamed fodder punks are for, hyping up a char but in the end they do not count. League's plot is way underdevelopped for what it could be. For all we know Synd should theoretically be the strongest of humans, but with nothing to base that off that is but a wild guess.

PS: In my initial comparison talent aka Fiora(Sasuke) is supposed to win over experience Camille(Madara). You can argue that Camille is talented too, but then again needing silly augmentations does not scream insane talent to me.