So, the Old Lore...

Ironclad Dragon··9 votes·1,281 views

Okay, the old lore had something going for it. Let’s recap.

Previous Rune Wars had drastically altered the physical landscape of Valoran, left derelict weapons that caused unprecedented mutations in nearby organisms, and afflicted the land with violent earthquakes and horrific magically-fueled storms. Basically, the people of Valoran waged nuclear warfare, and it came back to bite them. As a direct response to their world’s growing instability, Valoran’s key magicians concluded that conflicts needed to be settled in a controllable way. So began the League of Legends, an international coalition dedicated to resolving Valoran’s conflicts without resorting to mass warfare. That’s a pretty good foundation for a story. Nations and causes send representatives to settle their differences through combat-by-champion, whilst whispers of corruption and subversion circle about.

That’s all _so _much better than having random people fight for no reason at all, as in the current “lore”. Oh wait, that happened in the old lore too. You see, as much as people decry the current lore for lacking substance, the old lore had some problems I’ve only now realized, post-mortem. Everyone loves how, in the old lore, everyone had a reason for fighting in the League –they represented. Some champions worked out for that . . . others did not. I’m going to over these problem champs, one-by-one on a post-by-post basis. The first up is none other than the first name in alphabetical order: Aatrox! Conveniently, he’s also one of my biggest points.


Aatrox** Aatrox** What if I told you that Ares, the actual flesh-and-ichor Greek God of War, walked up to NATO’s front door and requested membership? That’s apparently what Aatrox did, if he followed the old lore’s conventions. Although he was released before the Great Retcon, he comes from the preceding era where a champion’s lore didn’t mention the League at all. But I think we all assumed he joined the League of Legends because that was the newest form of war in Valoran, and he needed to adapt accordingly. Or at least I remember reading something like that . . . could be mixing that up with another champ’s lore.

But the point is, he was allowed to join the League! I’m sorry, but no one just walks up to NATO, to continue my analogy. The League’s meant to settle international differences that could otherwise incite conflict. WHO THE HELL ALLOWS A BEING WHO LIVES FOR WAR TO WALTZ IN AND JOIN? Did no one say, “That is a freaking monster outside the door?” Reasonable, logical people don’t let in dangerous animals in the office building! You’d think the same thing applies to a fantasy world, where things are capable of even more murder! Why not kill the thing? It doesn’t belong to anyone in the League, so it isn’t going to spark nuclear war! In fact, if you keep that thing around, it’ll incite that very same thing! And don’t tell me, “The League wasn’t powerful enough to destroy Aatrox!” Well, I thought the League was supposed to maintain order between magic-flinging nations! I question the credibility of an organization that claims to enforce peace and order across multiple nations that could very well destroy each other, yet cannot kill a single being that threatens everything it stands for. “But Aatrox is an immortal war god, so he can’t die! Trying to kill him would just fuel him! Plus, his passive is probably taken to extreme levels without the limits of game balance!” Okay, I can go with that.

But if he was for some reason allowed into the League, whom would he represent? It’s a combat-by-champion system! Himself? Bull crap! You’re not allowed into NATO for personal reasons. Who would even get to decide which nation he represents, and at what authority are they even allowed to decide that? Neither can Aatrox be held accountable for his actions like the Demacians and Noxians. What stops him from doing anything he wants? Punishment? Well, if he can’t be killed by the League, how can they possibly threaten him? Imprisonment? Surely no one would survive the attempt, if Aatrox has cut down whole armies singlehandedly. And if magic was used to lock him down, what’s to say it’d last? Cho’Gath can bust free of his bindings whenever he darn well pleases according to his own lore, so I’m pretty sure Aatrox can’t be contained either.


I don't hate the old lore in the slightest. Nor do I believe that you need to cram your opinions on the new lore. I understand your frustration. It's been a long drought on "longer lores". But the old lore had some problems of it's own that we shouldn't ignore, which I'll continue to touch on as I post.

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Dextix LT5 votes

And every critisiser of the old lore has not read any of it or has only read the half of it. Yes League and joining the league was a plot hole, but EVERY EFFING STORY HAS ONE! There always has to be a plot hole for the whole plot to happen, be it an accident or some other shit. Now lest go over all of this, okay? First of all, why would aatrox join the league?

  1. He likes war, In league all things are about fighting and war, also he can find worthy opponents to beat.

  2. History with tryndamere, he may have wanted to join the league to check on and look over tryndamere, "His creation".

  3. He doesnt wage war for himself, he only joins existing wars, and with IOW in place conflicts were not really happening, so the only place for him to get hgh from fighting is IOW.

Second, why can he fight for himself?

  1. Many champions are recruited into league (willingly and unwillingly) for many reasons, some are imprisoned, others just like the fight, others get paid, others like being in centre of attention (Draven ) That is allowed.

Thidrly, why would IOW take him in?

  1. Another champion to the roster.

  2. He doesnt start doing fcked up and uncontrolled shit.

  3. They can learn about him, history.

  4. They can learn his weaknesss and defeat him in case of something going wrong.

And last but not least, IOW = NATO. NOPE! Dude, NOPE! IOW is not NATO, it doesnt even reasemble it. IOW is there to let the big countries duke it out with eachother without collaterall damage. But it also serves as a training ground for summoners and also as an enternatinment medium. Imagine it as a blood sport TV. It is nowhere near NATO, and nowhere near a "peacekeeping organization". THese guys are not keeping the peace, they just want to keep the war and its damages to a minimum.

Ironclad Dragon1 votes

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  1. Many champions are recruited into league (willingly and unwillingly) for many reasons, some are imprisoned, others just like the fight, others get paid, others like being in centre of attention (Draven ) That is allowed.

I've wondered why imprisoned monsters like Cho'Gath are allowed to participate, unless its for them to vent. No one wants to kill the monster and study it in safety?

dramatic banana1 votes

Maybe they want to see how dangerous the Void monsters are, just so if there is a Void invasion, they know how to defeat the Void monsters.

Dextix LT1 votes

There are many possibilities. THese monsters can give a chalenge to participants, it can give insight in their fighting patterns and behaviour. Also, like i said, IOW was also like Bloodsports TV, humans fighting vs beast would be nice to watch.

Sharjo3 votes

Yes League and joining the league was a plot hole, but EVERY EFFING STORY HAS ONE! There always has to be a plot hole for the whole plot to happen, be it an accident or some other shit.

And having to have plot holes for every champion that would otherwise not make much sense to be a part of the League is somehow ok? Some plot holes are forgivable, but if they keep happening it cheapens the story right?

He likes war, In league all things are about fighting and war, also he can find worthy opponents to beat.

That's not the point of Aatrox. He's about changing the course of war, about making strife and bloodshed happen. That doesn't happen in the league; it's a battle arena, a political sport, not a war.

History with tryndamere, he may have wanted to join the league to check on and look over tryndamere, "His creation".

Why does he even need to check on him? Aatrox is ageless. If Tryndamere fails he can find another man/woman to mold in to a weapon. "greatest creation" implies Aatrox has had more than one, so who cares if one goes down? Tryndamere might be the greatest now but who's to say another Aatrox would make wouldn't surpass him? Tryndamere isn't worth worrying over for Aatrox.

He doesnt wage war for himself, he only joins existing wars, and with IOW in place conflicts were not really happening, so the only place for him to get hgh from fighting is IOW.

The IOW is meant to prevent huge conflicts and wars, so it's essentially cock-blocking him. Aatrox lives for WAR, not skirmishes, brawls or honorable duels. He'd gain more from going and destroying the League than he would from joining it because then there's no one to stop large scale war again.

Thidrly, why would IOW take him in?

Another champion to the roster.

That's a weak excuse. The League has 126 champions right now and had over 100 when Aatrox was added. That excuse would maybe work a few years back when there were 40 champions, but not now.

He doesnt start doing fcked up and uncontrolled shit.

How would they even know he exists or the extent of his actions? The only mentions of him are scattered across history and give no indication of who he truly is, or even his name. Ezreal came across half of the stuff he found concerning Aatrox by chance and none of it gave an indication of what Aatrox was or what his intentions were. The League wouldn't have enough information to go on to make such as assumption about Aatrox other than conjecture, so how would they even know he needs to be stopped? He might as well be a folk tale to them and everyone.

They can learn about him, history.

You really think Aatrox is going to give them even a hint of information about his past? An ageless, immortal Darkin is probably not gonna give them a single hint, even if they go delving in to his mind. Hell they'd probably fear doing it in case he decided to kill them.

They can learn his weaknesss and defeat him in case of something going wrong.

Which is a reason for Aatrox to stay the hell away. Why would he want people learning how to kill him? He wouldn't. And if he decided to join, then he'd be confident that nothing they could do would stop him anyway.

FailedWizard3 votes

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And having to have plot holes for every champion that would otherwise not make much sense to be a part of the League is somehow ok? Some plot holes are forgivable, but if they keep happening it cheapens the story right?

Fair enough, but is the solution seriously to get rid of the central element that ties the entirety of the story together. Is crying about "restrictions" because people who are paid to come up with stuff can't think of a way to integrate a certain champion in the game really a reason to make invalid a narrative that has been supported for years. Is that really the best we can do?

Sure, the IoW had its issues, but it did serve two important functions: it gave relevance to every element of the game world as well as giving some unity to an otherwise convoluted world. Why should I care about some war demon? Oh, because he's part of the League. On the second point, I remember a random little blurb in the JoJ about what Taric and Skarner thought about each other, because they both used gem-based magic. Sure, it didn't really contribute anything to the overall story nor did it do a ton to advance either of the characters, but Taric and Skarner were some of my favorite champions of the time and I thought it was cool that they could talk to each other. Without the IoW, this simply isn't possible because Skarner is sitting out in the desert and, knowing the lore team, Taric will probably be retconned into Bilgewater or some crap. So okay, the IoW didn't always make the most sense, and sure it was restrictive (hint: any story that has even an iota of coherence is restrictive by nature) but is that really a good reason to reduce the game's story to a bunch of unrelated events that just sort of happen with little to no relevance to one another? Because that's kinda what it is now.

Tahm Kench is a fat catfish that makes deals with people. Meanwhile, Ekko is a kid in Zaun with a time machine. Meanwhile, Azir is building an empire or something. Is any of this related in any way? Not really. Will these stories ever cross paths? Probably not. So then why bother telling them? Who cares? This is boring anyway, I want to talk about pirates now.

Riveting.

NorthernDruid3 votes

Don't forget parts of what they claimed was restrictive (Summoners being shadowy all-powerful overlords who basically mind-dominate champions to fight for the) were outright false.

By their own words, they based their removal of the game's lore in good part on easily disproven false claims about their own story.

The only thing more pathetic is that they didn't get called out on it massively enough.

dramatic banana1 votes

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Why does he even need to check on him? Aatrox is ageless. If Tryndamere fails he can find another man/woman to mold in to a weapon. "greatest creation" implies Aatrox has had more than one, so who cares if one goes down? Tryndamere might be the greatest now but who's to say another Aatrox would make wouldn't surpass him? Tryndamere isn't worth worrying over for Aatrox.

It's because Tryndamere is his Greatest creation he would want to check up on him.

Dextix LT3 votes

And having to have plot holes for every champion that would otherwise not make much sense to be a part of the League is somehow ok? Some plot holes are forgivable, but if they keep happening it cheapens the story right?

WRONG! Look at Avengers or Justice league, their creation was a big plothole. People kept joining into those 2 groups, did it cheapen the story? NO! Noone cared that there had to be a plothole for them all to get together, because it was better for everyone. Stories evolved, characters interacted. RIght now by your standart every champ should be isolated from eachother which is just plainly stupid.

That's not the point of Aatrox. He's about changing the course of war, about making strife and bloodshed happen. That doesn't happen in the league; it's a battle arena, a political sport, not a war.

Its the next bet thing. Like i said, aatrox himself doesnt start wars, he needs for them to happen naturally, which with IOW doesnt happen. So the closest thing this battle and blood addict will get is the league. THere are no othr alternatives for war to him anymore.

Why does he even need to check on him? Aatrox is ageless. If Tryndamere fails he can find another man/woman to mold in to a weapon. "greatest creation" implies Aatrox has had more than one, so who cares if one goes down? Tryndamere might be the greatest now but who's to say another Aatrox would make wouldn't surpass him? Tryndamere isn't worth worrying over for Aatrox.

BEcause its his GREATEST creation. Batlman always looks after his robin, even when he becomes nightwing, then he looks after all his other robins after that. The point of him being greatest creation is important, because no other of his creations was near that level. That makes aatrox more wanting to be with tryndamere, to further improve him because he already surpassed all his other "students".

The IOW is meant to prevent huge conflicts and wars, so it's essentially cock-blocking him. Aatrox lives for WAR, not skirmishes, brawls or honorable duels. He'd gain more from going and destroying the League than he would from joining it because then there's no one to stop large scale war again.

You forget that aatrox doesnt start wars himself. He cannot just go and destroy the league or anyone, he needs a war to exist. League is the only possible secondary option to him at that moment to sate his thirst for fights and a small scale war is also good for him.

That's a weak excuse. The League has 126 champions right now and had over 100 when Aatrox was added. That excuse would maybe work a few years back when there were 40 champions, but not now.

You still forget that IOw was not only a peacekeeping organization, it was also like bloodsport TV, people from valoran watched those matches, and bringing a new champ would be like bringing in a new wrestler for a srestling show, it never will be bad, it will just add to the fun.

How would they even know he exists or the extent of his actions? The only mentions of him are scattered across history and give no indication of who he truly is, or even his name. Ezreal came across half of the stuff he found concerning Aatrox by chance and none of it gave an indication of what Aatrox was or what his intentions were. The League wouldn't have enough information to go on to make such as assumption about Aatrox other than conjecture, so how would they even know he needs to be stopped? He might as well be a folk tale to them and everyone.

Summoners are carefull with any unindentified creature. Also aatrox always shows up in the bloodiest of battles, this already would make summoners worried and they will watch him.

You really think Aatrox is going to give them even a hint of information about his past? An ageless, immortal Darkin is probably not gonna give them a single hint, even if they go delving in to his mind. Hell they'd probably fear doing it in case he decided to kill them.

You show aatrox like some kind of monster. He isnt. He is a smart living being. Yes, he loves war, that doesnt mean he is crazy and thinks only about war. Out of the battlefield he may act completely differently.

Which is a reason for Aatrox to stay the hell away. Why would he want people learning how to kill him? He wouldn't. And if he decided to join, then he'd be confident that nothing they could do would stop him anyway.

Aatrox wouldnt kow what summoners are up to, hes not a mind reader. And him being confident may also be underestimating summoners.

Impetual4 votes

Did you even read the old lore?!!!

Most champion's had a personal or political reason for participating in the League of Legends. Some champions were coerced and controlled by summoners (Brand).

Regardless, under the old lore each champion certainly had a reason to fight.

And hey, here's a huge upside to the old lore: THE** LEAGUE OF LEGENDS **ACTUALLY EXISTED WITHIN RUNETERRA'S LORE!

Xano5013 votes

We want old lore back and get the retcons out.

The Soulforged2 votes

Aatrox was a powerful being that the league would be able to study. Instead of inciting war, and other stuffs, what's the harm in letting him join the league of legends? He simply lives for war, and the league of legends in a way might be called organized warfare. Let him sate his wish and also let him help peacefully settle disputes between nations. People may freak out over him, but he's intelligent enough to know he prolly shouldn't kill someone outside the fields. It may be an awkward situation with him in the league, but that's true for very many a champ.

Narasimha3 votes

o let him help peacefully settle disputes between nations

And theres the ENTIRE issue right there. Aatrox doesn't do peacefully. Hell, he purposefully helps the losing side of wars BECAUSE it makes the bloodshed and carnage greater.

Sharjo1 votes

To that end he'd gain more from trying to destroy the institute than he ever would by fighting in it.

The Soulforged1 votes

He still gets bloodshed in the league, it's just that there's an unlimited supply. He may not get what he really wants in the league, which might turn him to force other factions offhand into going to war, promising to help a side. It's stuff like this that leads to possible stories and interactions between factions and characters. Nothing is ever going to get along perfectly, and that can be made a good thing.

Narasimha4 votes

Eh, I don't think the same. Its like giving a nicotine patch to a smoker. It's not REAL. It's not the same level of destruction and rampage that comes from a real war, that comes from hundreds of soldiers killing each other, of razing down cities.

Sharjo4 votes

I think this is trying to hard to make it work. At the end of the day Aatrox is immortal and unbelievably powerful. He wouldn't give a damn about what the League had to say, and in a realistic scenario Aatrox wouldn't even entertain the thought of joining the League, nor would Summoners want to bring him in. Aatrox has always been shown as this avatar of war, a god among men, so I feel like forcing the League on to him both boasts the problem of the League being to powerful so he has to play their game and it makes Aatrox seem way weaker than he is. "What is a god of war to we Summoners?"

Aatrox joining the League seems counter to his character, and hurts him overall, at least from my viewpoint. He is a harbinger of strife, an avatar of war. The League is counter to that idea.

dramatic banana1 votes

While Aatrox is not, by definition, peacefully settling disputes between nations, he is settling these disputes without the death that comes from actual wars.

Impetual2 votes

You assume Aatrox isn't capable of subtlety. By discreetly participating within the League of Legends he can influence the outcome of political events/skirmishes however he wants.

NorthernDruid2 votes

So the old lore... was actually Lore, as in, it was actually connected to the video game it was expandatory story details for.

The new lore doesn't factor in the game at all because apparently telling a completely different story and calling it a retcon is ok. Especially when you base the decision on factual errors about the lore you're retconning.

Whatever new stuff they put out, as long as the game doesn't exist in the setting, it's not Lore.

Another good thing about the old (by which i mean current, since they never actually did release any material retconning the stuff they said they were gonna retcon) Lore. It had an actual setting since it's stories didn't take place in a setting which had it's core setting elements ripped out and left open.

dramatic banana1 votes

Well, people can apply to the League, no matter who they are, and that's how Jinx was allowed to join. I'm also guessing that the IOW was a safe haven for criminals of all types (Graves, TF, Viktor, Jinx) and that the League accepted everyone no matter who they were. Let's take Jax, no-one knows much about him, but he was let in. Same thing with Gnar and Skarner.

Shíny1 votes

{quoted} But I think we all assumed he joined the League of Legends because that was the newest form of war in Valoran, and he needed to adapt accordingly. Or at least I remember reading something like that . . . could be mixing that up with another champ’s lore.

Yeah since Riot didn't fill in the gap there was great speculation about it.

WHO THE HELL ALLOWS A BEING WHO LIVES FOR WAR TO WALTZ IN AND JOIN?

You mean a great war hero who is in good standing with multiple nations?

But if he was for some reason allowed into the League, whom would he represent?

Like Amumu Malphite Ryze Zilean ? Independent champions help out where needed, kinda sounds similar to Aatrox's MO.

What stops him from doing anything he wants?

Why are you only presenting brute force options? Between the Magical and diplomatic powerhouses at the IoW, i'm sure there's other ways of "punishing" Aatrox.

James Stone1 votes

Honestly, if Aatrox existed with the Institute of War intact, it would most likely be a Cho'Gath-style story. He knows a major conflict is about to rise, like the old lore was hinting up to the point it got canned, and he wanted to be right in the smack middle of it, to start gaining the trust of various champions and summoners, so he could lead them to battle in the biggest war man has ever known, where the Champions are unshackled and the Sixth and Final Rune War is unleashed in all it's glory

Tsumikiri1 votes

Good job, OP. I look forward to seeing your analysis of more champions in the future!

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