About Aesthetics, Edgyness, Target Groups or whatever...

SaltyToplaneGoat·6/28/2017, 12:30:06 PM·4 votes·671 views

Sleep-Deprived Media Studies-guy mumbling. Potentially a lot of text, not sure how long this will get. You have been warned.

And no this is not necessarely a thread complaining about "too much edge" in the game, although this might play into this, if ever so slightly. The problem with the "edge" is not the specific hate for a black/red color scheme, or a general distaste for bloothirsty characters, it's rather that the pile of aesthetics that fall into it kind of target a specific age group that is... well, at the point where you start getting vocal about your tastes and start viewing what you like as part of your idenitiy, but also at a point where a lack of experience and exposure to various forms of art, style, and aesthetics still cause an absolute lack of what the general public would consider "a good taste".

You know what's the utter irony of teen-edgyness? It's rebellion - packed and sold to you like all the other normal stuff too, just with different colors. It's like that one Southpark episode where that one kid starts hating the "mainstream kids" and wants to become a goth, but they are also just a variant of the "mainstream" functioning in the absolute same way, even if they wholeheartly try to convince themselves otherwise. And the inability to see through this also falls into a certain age, fascinatingly kinda into the same as the thing above, which I take as a source me, and my three siblings, and all my school friends, I had seen growing up through that phase.

It was kinda the same with the versus event: "Eh I'm gonna go Evil because EVERYONE goes Good, it's so lame." Yeah and so everyone chose Evil and you still are in the lame mainstream, congratulations. What a shame given how pretty the Riven skin was (and how ugly the Yasuo one. You seen these windwall particles? YIKES!)

What wonders me is that with the recent releases of champs, the aesthetic seems to be clearly directed at that rather young age-group. Xayah and Rakan are not an ideal relationship - they are how someone who has never had a relationship - in this case due to relatively low age (the imagined relationships of someone never been in one at a higher age look a bit differently) - imagines it. They are an in-love-couple as seen by young teens: annoying, superficial, and downright cringey to look and hear at.

Galio might be less of a good example, but the eternal guardian mourning the death of his master and his greatest failure as a protector is now the "happy smasher fight guy". Don't get me wrong, I do like the new Galio, but it fits within this theory that the target group seems to have shifted to a younger demographic. And in general the recent champs seem to be more appealing to a younger crowd, save for Camille. Ivern and Kled are walking memes or jokes, and Taliyah simply fits in because of her relatively young age (age is an important part of appealing to a certain group. That's why in old superhero-comics they had all these annoying kiddie-sidekicks.).

And now we got the new dude who literally falls into every shonen "cool character anime clichee". And these clichees are sadly based on a massive chunk of psychology. The industry of anime and manga is a cruel and unforgiving place, moving at ever higher speeds to the damage of creators and workers. In this high pressure enviroment you need to know EXACTLY what patterns and characters works or don't work, and the moment something works, it gets copied mercilessly to the point where it becomes an archetype that gets more and more refined.

These shows where such characters appear try to appeal to a very specific age group as well, and try to sell their character to them as "cool".

And now with Riot creating a character that literally fits into every nook and cranny of this archetype while at the same time having the personality depth of a puddle (at least until now, we have not seen his lore yet)... it makes you wonder if they slapped out the character just for the sake of appealing to their newfound priority target group.

To be honest as a player that is a bit older than the target group that seems to be aimed at, if feel a bit left out. That in itself is nothing bad, why should Riot design the game specifically for me after all?! I'd be an ignorant and selfish fool for requesting this. I'm a bit more fearing for the quality of the overall aesthetic.

Remember what I said about this group having the worst taste due to inexperience mostly (and because of a brain that's not halfway finished developing yet)? I wouldn't want the crowd to judge my work to be the guys with the lowest requirements who cheer as long as predictable indicators of a certain archetype are met. That's not how you make good design, that's how a maker of fine cusine degrades himself to a junk-food provider.

I think the game can handle some Darkin-Edge clad in red and black or a cheesy couple, but only as long as it is balanced out by other champions that specifically fall not into this kind aesthetic.

Or maybe I'm just imagining things, because I'm an old fart who has left the times when demons of black and red were all the rage long behind as just another embarassing episode of my youth and doesn't like to be reminded of it. Maybe, maybe not, I'm honestly too tired for that level of self-reflection now. So instead, dear reader, feel free to take it on from here. Do you agree, disagree, or what is your stance to the whole aesthetics thing? I'm curious ^^

15 Comments

TyrekGoldenspear6/28/2017, 12:43:06 PM5 votes

I am quite certain Rito hasn't lost their touch with designing "unique champions" AKA "champions who are not edgy looking"

Becuase I feel this is what it boils down to. Riot has consistently shown it can give its characters depth, whether by VO or short stories. But the moment their new champs shows the hints of the stereotypical "cool edgy anime " traits people flip and act like Riot has never made a creative champ in its life.

I mean, chill dudes. Give them a chance to release everything.

Sharjo6/28/2017, 12:51:28 PM5 votes

My personal stance on edge is that I don't have an issue with it really because it's just not my thing. I don't despise it, I just doesn't appeal to me. Xayah and Kayn are champions who only resonate with me in that their other halves, Rakan and Rhaast, are that much more appealing to me because one is a flamboyant, loud as all hell pompous twat who dances on people's faces and the other is a chaotic killer who just revels in what he does.

The spectrum of design for champions is wide and varied and at the end of the day the champion teams will make what they want. They try and vary things up such that we don't get inundated with the same thing a lot, but they're gonna make champions that resonate with themselves and hopefully resonate with other people.

The people who made Xayah also made Ivern, Aurelion Sol and Kindred.

The people who made Kayn also made Camille and Taliyah.

The people who made Rakan also made Kled, Jhin and Tahm Kench.

And that's just mentioning the ones I recall for definite. Xayah's writer FauxShizzle also wrote Bard and Ekko. Rakan's writer WAAARGHbobo also wrote Illaoi and Rek'Sai. Kayn is his writer's first champion (sorry I can't remember your summoner name!). Kayn's gameplay designer also did Lucian, Azir, Tahm Kench and Taliyah.

Overall I'm not concerned about what Riot does with its champion releases because I know the breadth of creativity they have brought to the table. I mean look at Rakan's team: fabulous bird man, irrate crazy yordle on a lizard, masked mentally disturbed serial killer and cross roads demon in the form of a catfish. That's a pretty large and varied assortment right there.

Design trends like this tend to appear because the teams will try to move away from doing too much of the same thing, which sounds weird since we've had three "edgy" champions, but do you think these teams will instantly hop back on that train now that they're leaving it? No, they'll hop on a new one, heading in a different direction. Potentially in a direction they've never went to before. Potentially it'll be fairly familiar. Either way it'll be an effort they pour their heart and soul in to and that's enough for me. All I care for in the end is that what comes out is something that is worth having in the game, whether it personally resonates with me or not.

So yeah, I'm not all that fussed.

(Also it makes money less of an issue when the champions aren't ones I'm gonna play and the skins coming out are for champions I don't care much for, which is a blessing sometimes)

Arakadia6/28/2017, 3:31:53 PM4 votes

I wouldn't call a still developing teen's taste bad just because their still developing and you don't like it.

It's different and fits what they want. You just want something different. And your clumping the vast majority, if not all, teens into the rebellious, edgy, cliches. Which isn't fair.

LordHippoman6/28/2017, 8:23:29 PM3 votes

I don't like the Darkin plot point, at all. It's vague, needless, and just feels like bait to get people to make hour long rambling "DARKIN LORE THEORY!!!" videos. I don't like the edgy, dark for the sake of dark nonsense.

But I really like Rhaast. And I think that's because Riot is parodying the "edgy demon" trope a little. When you listen to his interactions, Rhaast's kinda bumbling and goofy sometimes. "We'll have a party. A murder. A murder party." "The three of us, uh, five of us?"

I made this connection in another topic, but I feel like a lot of this discussion on "edginess" in games lately is best exemplified by Reaper from Overwatch. He's every 90's villain stereotype in the world, and fans love him, but only because they don't take him seriously. If you see him as just some guy trying really, really hard to be cool, Reaper goes from a flat caricature to a pretty funny character. I think Rhaast, with the built-in sassiness and bad jokes fits into that category pretty well.

But then there's the question, is being "edgy" or not very deep necessarily bad? I don't think so. Art's always going to be a subjective thing, and some people out there love the hell out of those kinds of champs. Often it is connected to age, like you mentioned, but that's certainly not a 1 to 1 comparison. It's just another aesthetic, and League really thrives on its large variety of aesthetics for different champions.

If we're talking about more recent champions, I feel like a lot of them have been targeting very specific aesthetics, and I think that's on purpose. I love Ivern, because he's weird and silly and has some wonky mechanics. That's my favorite kind of champ, so I don't care much for Xayah. I don't like Kled because I loathe his constant screaming and "RANDOMNESS=HUMOR,RIGHT????", but I think Camille is a fantastic design and dips into some interesting lore. And I totally understand that those are my subjective opinions. Someone else probably totally disagrees with me there, and this isn't an important enough issue that I think it's worth fighting over.

I think League can accommodate someone like Kayn, and I'm sure he'll be balanced out with someone more like Ivern or Corki in the future, but I do feel like we're jumping the gun if we dismiss him as a generic edgelord immediately. We've not seen his full lore yet, and Rhaast manages to make him a much more likable character by just existing, IMO.

LunSeiSleidee6/28/2017, 6:02:09 PM2 votes

I agree with 80% of what you said.

It IS true that Riot has recently decided to fully focus on the preteen (not even teen, PREteen) market, and it pisses me off. Yeah, a lot of preteens play this game.... but it's the adults like me who give the most money to Riot!!

I disagree about Ivern or Kled or Camille. They aren't walking memes; they're the kind of multifaceted and sufficiently original character designs that made me think League Of Legends was a game adults can enjoy too.

It's like when Disney makes those cartoons who are not only aimed at kids: they have layers, and depending on who you are you will see different facets of the story. Disney makes toons for all ages. I thought Riot made games for all ages, too. Cleverly luring the kids, but keeping the adults interested. Now, however, Xayah-Rakan and Kayn make me feel I am not the target audience for this game. It makes me much less interested.

Gapybo6/28/2017, 2:01:41 PM2 votes

I don't really understand what "edgy" means these days. I think Kayne might be an interesting character with some depth too and hope his lore proves this. I think Riot is doing a great job trying to increase variety in champion pool last couple of years. Maybe you are right and you are getting too old and mature for this game.

Ralanr6/28/2017, 6:23:34 PM2 votes

Why does everyone think Galio is just "excited punchy guy"? Do they not see all the lines?

Digielf6/29/2017, 5:47:01 AM1 votes

The versus event was all about the 2 skins, Riven's skin looked crap in compare with Nightbringer Yasuo so it lost by default, i doubt anyone gives a crap about the chaos/order thing