@KateyKhaos - Blade Queen Lissandra's Recall

Oleandervine··47 votes·3,278 views

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6clUngaYlrM/U1c3QMOlQCI/AAAAAAAAPLk/2mFynXwIzKs/s1600/lissrecall.jpg This has bothered me for a while now, but when Blade Queen Lissandra recalls, she creates her Iron Maiden and closes it around her. The bothersome part is that her headdress protrudes from the top of the Iron Maiden - yet there's no gap in the top portion of the Maiden to allow for this. It's a solid lid, so all that's happening is that the Iron Maiden is clipping Lissandra's headdress. Can you guys maybe take a look at correcting this? The physics here bug me.

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GrReaper9614 votes

The physics here bug me.

What bothers me is how her true ice denies the laws of entropy

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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What bothers me is how her true ice denies the laws of entropy

Theoretically, if she was able to absorb all of the heat and permanently keep channeling the heat from the ice away from it, it could stay as ice.

50000000000000001 votes

That would be some very hot ice. Which, incidentally, explains how it cuts through anything (except Braum's wall and Yasuo's wind wall, of course)

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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That would be some very hot ice. Which, incidentally, explains how it cuts through anything (except Braum's wall and Yasuo's wind wall, of course)

No, I'm saying you'd have ice if she herself absorbed the heat, or at least kept it suspended away from the ice.

Talking about that, would an ice fire champion be really cool? Absorving heat from areas and redirecting it, forming ice where the heat leaves...

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Well then that'd be some very hot lady. Which also makes sense.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

no. actually a very cold lady. she's absorbing the heat by being super cold. she's so cold that she scares the heat away and actually causes the air the create a barrier that prevents sublimation and such. you can create fire from ice. bet you didnt know that.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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no. actually a very cold lady. she's absorbing the heat by being super cold. she's so cold that she scares the heat away and actually causes the air the create a barrier that prevents sublimation and such. you can create fire from ice. bet you didnt know that.

... Do you even know what you're talking about. Being cold doesn't scare away heat, it attracts it.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

https://youtu.be/SUBPklvPuL0?t=3m12s

unless this video is lying... which is ENTIRELY possible since who it is isnt normally known for their values of truth...

then what actually happens is a force field is created from atmospheric pressure and for a small amount of time super cold things cant harm slightly warm things until it has chilled the air first. once the pressure becomes significantly lower however it will do the opposite and actually create a vacuum which is one theory for why space is so cold and the way that it is since space isnt contained inside of an atmosphere. however heat still travels through that vacuum at a slightly faster rate and is ultimately unaffected. which is why to some degree you could say that being cold attracts heat however it doesnt actually attract anything after a certain point but instead makes it easier for it to be lost. only endothermic chemicals can attract heat. being super cold doesnt necessarily make you an endothermic chemical.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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https://youtu.be/SUBPklvPuL0?t=3m12s

unless this video is lying... which is ENTIRELY possible since who it is isnt normally known for their values of truth...

then what actually happens is a force field is created from atmospheric pressure and for a small amount of time super cold things cant harm slightly warm things until it has chilled the air first. once the pressure becomes significantly lower however it will do the opposite and actually create a vacuum which is one theory for why space is so cold and the way that it is since space isnt contained inside of an atmosphere. however heat still travels through that vacuum at a slightly faster rate and is ultimately unaffected. which is why to some degree you could say that being cold attracts heat however it doesnt actually attract anything after a certain point but instead makes it easier for it to be lost. only endothermic chemicals can attract heat. being super cold doesnt necessarily make you an endothermic chemical.

That makes absolutely no fucking sense according to the laws of entropy.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

it does if you actually look at thermodynamics and how absolute zero is used. this being would bypass the laws of absolute zero and still maintain a state of mobility. the only way to do that is to remove atmospheric pressure to the point of creating a secondary atmosphere surrounding her which would ultimately create fire due to the amount of friction between the two atmospheres.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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it does if you actually look at thermodynamics and how absolute zero is used. this being would bypass the laws of absolute zero and still maintain a state of mobility. the only way to do that is to remove atmospheric pressure to the point of creating a secondary atmosphere surrounding her which would ultimately create fire due to the amount of friction between the two atmospheres.

No man. There are no such things as force fields, and there is nothing in existence that reaches absolute zero. What I'm conceptually suggesting is that Lissandra is a black hole that only sucks in the energy of the particles near her, thus allowing her to freeze things. She herself would have to be extremely hot to do this, furthermore, considering black holes actually release radiation, what I'm saying would also technically be impossible.

Comparing absolute zero to liquid nitrogen is ridiculous. The only reason a "force field, or a sort of atmosphere" is created is because the heat coming off your hand evaporates the liquid nitrogen, turning into gaseous nitrogen which is an insulator (all gases are), thus actually keeping your hand safe.

There are no "laws of absolute zero." Furthermore, there is no logical or feasible way to form an "atmosphere." Trusting the smosh brothers on science is a really stupid thing to do. I'm a chemical engineer, we play around with entropy and thermodynamics a lot; I would know.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

no im not saying that. youre misunderstanding everything ive said. all i showed the smosh video for was to show that cold liquids wont instantly freeze someone so in order to achieve what lissandra does she'd have to be more than just some super cold or super hot champ. she has to be an area of such low pressure created from massively dense chemicals that displaces atmospheric pressure in order to remain solid while still cold. which would cause combustion at the edge of her... i guess we'll call it aura? she breaks the laws is what im saying. how is that so hard to understand. her existence is like 4D being visible.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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no im not saying that. youre misunderstanding everything ive said. all i showed the smosh video for was to show that cold liquids wont instantly freeze someone so in order to achieve what lissandra does she'd have to be more than just some super cold or super hot champ. she has to be an area of such low pressure created from massively dense chemicals that displaces atmospheric pressure in order to remain solid while still cold. which would cause combustion at the edge of her... i guess we'll call it aura? she breaks the laws is what im saying. how is that so hard to understand. her existence is like 4D being visible.

What you're saying doesn't make sense from a theoretical standpoint. "Massively dense chemicals that displaces atmospheric pressure." This is an absolutely meaningless statement. Literally everything that exists is a chemical. Massively dense? What is that even supposed to means. And furthermore, how does density displace atmospheric pressure? That simply doesn't work based on the laws of physics. From what I understand you're saying she would need a "force field" around her that is "extremely dense," which blocks the atmosphere. Hint: really fense things tend to transmit heat very very well. If you want a force field, you'd need to have a vacuum permanently around her, but that wouldn't allow her to form ice at will, thus, such a thing is pointless. As for instantly combust, ehhhhhh. I have no idea what your "chemicals" are. There are plenty of inert substances that won't just combust because they're extremely pressurized. Not to mention that solids and liquids basically cannot be pressurized...

The only thing you said that was correct is that she breaks the laws of physics.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

i'll try one more time and if you cant understand me then that's fine and i'll let it go.

lissandra is an organic being that can create ice and then move it at varying distances.

in order to move something without contact you have to have a gravitational pull (a dense object) or a magnetic pull (which involves polarity) or like you said a vacuum - which is the absence of something (usually a gas) being filled by the presence of something trying to expand to fill the emptiness left from the absence of the something.

if she has a gravitational pull that she can control then she would have to be able to change her density.

if she has a magnetic pull then she'd have to changer her polarity.

if she creates a vacuum she'd need to first create the vacuum and that would be harder at long range.

each of those 3 things have their own issues as to why manipulation of a single distant object would be either impossible or difficult.

but if she could somehow not only control her own density but the density of the world around her, the polarity of the world around her, and then of course create vacuums through those types of interactions she could control things and cause them to move independently of their surroundings.

secondly in order to freeze things while keeping them organic youd have to subvert the laws of sublimation and resublimation. otherwise it would cause state change.

you're not freezing the object but rather the water around the object in the air. that's why cryogenics is a complex subject... because in cryopreservation if ice crystals form then effectively you've just killed whatever you tried to preserve. cells rupture when ice crystals form.

basically air pressure and humidity are very important to lissandra.

she could then somehow scatter energy from her area and cause an anomaly of ultra cooling.

the area outside of her immediate person though would be like standing next to a radio tower on full blast

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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Well then that'd be some very hot lady. Which also makes sense.

Yus.

Auz the Ripper1 votes

Maybe the ice absorbs the heat and uses the energy to cool itself.

Lùmen2 votes

Oh, so Liss gets all the bad attention here but Anivia is fine. TRIGGERED

YouCantClickThis8 votes

Once they fix this Lissandra's win rate will go up, this is what has been holding her back from being a top tier mid laner.

Wyrmblade7 votes

So this is what's been keeping me in bronze.

Boulderox2 votes

i thought it was supposed to close and the headdress was the iron maidens face like they sometimes have

Oleandervine1 votes

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i thought it was supposed to close and the headdress was the iron maidens face like they sometimes have

That is the point yes, but in execution, for her to have her headdress achieve that effect, the top of the Iron Maiden should have a slot that fits around her head.

Catastrop2 votes

Also maybe giving her Q some green fog effects on the slow? Like her Classic and Bloodstone skins have this, It was kind of disappointing for me to see no green fog on enemies I Q'd when I first bought the skin.

GreenLore1 votes

Oh my you are right.

I do not have the skin myself,but when I saw the recall once,I thought there was a small hole in the maiden for the headdress,but its really just the dress clipping through.

Aeszarck1 votes

I do own the skin and use it a lot, but I guess I've just learned to ignore it. When I first got the skin I was bothered by that though. I think I attributed it to "well maybe there are holes on the top." I never actually looked for the holes. Now that you mention this problem I'm probably never going to play the same again.

TiiGz1 votes

What bother me is that you dont use Program Lissandra

Sans Hama1 votes

I see a small rivet, since her headdress are super sharp blades, i imagine it could slide right in

Dabrick011 votes

Well sure, but look at how it is clipping through the metal.

Lùmen1 votes

While you're at it, get them to fix Mordekaiser's mace clipping through his cape on his King of Clubs skin. Mordekaiser item 3070

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