Why do I get the feeling that Riot has completly forgotten the Darkin?

SaltyToplaneGoat··14 votes·1,597 views

Because since Aatrox's rather underwhelming release we haven't heard anything of them. And that was quite some time ago... Wasn't 2015 supposed to be the year of "mythical and legendary champs"? Well, we got a lot of them, even freaking death himself, but still no news on the Darkin.

And the two darkin candidates we have? Jax is essentially lore-less. He might as well not exist at this point as his lore is 100% centred around the IoW. And the other candidates...

Well, but what do we even know about Darkin? All we know that Aatrox, "the darkin blade" probably refers to a sentinent sword and the body is some kind of blood-powered golem. Or some posessed dude who doesn't seem to age, who knows? So, if Darkins are non-human-things that take on a humanoid form. But what are these "non-human-things"? I'd go as far and say that they are "concepts" (or more specific, "Jungian Archetypes") of certain things - it wouldn't be wrong to call Aatrox the material manifestation of "War" (or rather "Bloodlusty carnage"). And what is his form? A blood-drinking sword. Seems to be pretty fitting here if you had to find one thing that shows "war" or "slaughter".

Going from the fact that Aatrox is war and that Riot Designers are PROBABLY influenced by western history and culture, they might have been going for that "four horsemen of the apocalypse" theme a little. That 4-man group is a bit varying in it's members depending on from what cultural context you take them, but usually two are always present: "War" and "Hunger".

While there might be as well Darkin that might represent other themes apart from the 4-spirits-on-horses group, but I doubt that there is not a "hungry" Darkin already in league.

Let's thing a bit, what is a symbol that really is affiliated with "Hunger" in our culture and history? You can't really pin it down on an object like with war/slaughter. So maybe it's not an object, but an animal? Pigs are usually seen as symbol for gluttony, which is not hunger. Goats eat pretty much everything, but are not really brought into context with it either. But there is one: it is: the black bird. Crows or Ravens in that case

Usually this would apply to any bird that would eat the meat of corpses, but in medival/post-medival europe (which seems to resemble runeterra in some ways) crows/ravens were the most common.

Wait, we don't really have a black bird-champion in league, do we...? Oh wait. He might just get a new splash art...

But how is Swain hungry? "MY BIRD IS HUNGRY!" "LET'S JUST MORPH AND EAT THEM!"

Ok, wrong question, how does his actions and his rise to power fit along with the "hungry" theme?

Well, you can be hungry for other things than food. Honor, Stenght, Political Power... and since in Noxus strengh (in all of its forms) = Political Power & Honor, one shouldn't be surprised to find the literal manifestation of hunger somewhere in there.

I have seen one interpretation of Swain of him being a magician that made a pact with some kind of crow demon (in that case the Darkin), but that's not really it. The human body might as well be a "fake", the real Swain being the bird. Might explain why he needs a crane to walk. Birds can't normally use that walking pattern, they usually usually "hop" more than they "walk". He's not injuried on one leg. His mind is just too "birdy" to let him walk without one.

That doesn't exclude the fact that "Beatrix" (the bird on his shoulder) is not an existence of her own. They could have some kind of mental/existencial link and still be two seperate beings. One forming the more intelectual aspect, the other the more natural of the Darkin of Hunger.

Tl, dr: Swain is Aatrox smarter big bro.

Ah btw, I'm not forgetting Varus here. When the theory of Darkin "posessing" people is true, then the manifestation of "Corruption" might be quite thing that Varus has sold his life to. I mean, look at his kit. Corruption is usually seen as something "weird, unnatural and harmful that expands" - let's compare that to the ult... or the fact that he defiles the very ground he shoots his arrows on...


I wonder if we will ever get any updates on this... Well, maybe Swains gets some expanded lore... he would deserve it.

36 Comments

Sharjo2 votes

I remember from the Tahm Q&A someone asked about the relationship between Tahm and Aatrox, and I believe it was WAAARGHboo who said that Tahm has a history quite similar to Aatrox, but he's too much of a gentleman to make a fuss over it.

There's a lot of stuff in League but I doubt any one thing is forgotten, at least not entirely. They might not be making a huge Darkin event but they still know that's something to go back to someday, but then you've gotta try and discern where the other four Darkin fit. Two of them are unknowns and the other two have had some effect on human history, so two are easy and two are difficult to place in the world. It's a good thing there's a lot of world building going on at the moment, because that'll give them room to add this where it's appropriate. If they already put down where the other four Darkin go in the world when Aatrox was actually released, then Riot gets bonus points for way in advance planning!

But just finding a place for them in the world isn't the only thing to consider; it's in game representation. Now of course, the five Darkin don't all need to be playable, but if three are known to history and are sorta immortal warriors of immense power, they'd probably make for cool champions, but where do you put them in terms of role? Gameplay? You basically ask the same questions as to when you make any new champion, but with an added caveat; this new Darkin can't step on Aatrox's toes, both visually and gameplay wise. It's kinda like Master Yi and Yasuo; they spent A LOT of time with Yasuo to make sure he was incredibly distinct from Yi, so as to give them both their space in the game and not step on each other's toes considering they're effectively the same archetype of Samurai. From a story stand point, I'd say look to the less defined lands in Runeterra for Darkin influence. I personally look at Ionia and Mount Targon, but you could really look anywhere. From a gameplay standpoint a new Darkin would need to fill a gameplay niche and archetype that Aatrox doesn't already fill.

tl;dr: Riot probably hasn't forgotten the Darkin, but it's likely not a precedent to bring them to the forefront of the lore right now.

SchaakaKon1 votes

But three darkin are known, this has always drivin me crazy! I forget the exact statement but known by whom? And i always assumed those two would have been a rather quick reveal. Is it Jax and Eve, thats where my bets are :/

Sharjo1 votes

Known by history, which is about as vague as vague gets. Basically beyond Aatrox there are two Darkin who have had some kind of historic influence on human history, and given how much of a question mark Aatrox is in Runeterra seeing as seemingly nobody has answers about him, it's probably a safe bet that the other two are just as enigmatic as he is.

SchaakaKon1 votes

Leagues history is currently very verrry shallow.

You have the Watchers in ancient times mucking things up. To the tribes of humans banishing them away.

Shurmias rise and fall somewhere in there, or maybe after.

Constant Rune Wars threaten to wipe out humanity (right, doesnt exist :/).

Then current time, with Reginald mysteriously leaving the IoW (i know, doesnt exist anymore blahblahblah), fall of the Kinkou order and the spunky adventers of Graves/TF.

Not sure why i went on that tangent but id really love to see alot more history in LoL added in.

Núll2 votes

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SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Exactly what I was getting at. Akthough I doubt he will look like Aatrox - way more weird tentacles in this case...

Rebonack2 votes

I would argue that the Darkin are forgotten because they're fundamentally forgettable.

Even the name makes me cringe. It's like something a 13 year old would come up with on their lunch recess.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Some people consider TK a Darkin, saying that he is friends with Aatrox in his bio.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Well he has a taunt calling him his "brother", but that might be just because they are both bspiritual beings that like screwing over humans for their own goals (with their own methods of course).

Gorgannan1 votes

Listen to his accent :P He probably calls everyone brother.

On the other hand, many people theorize that the Darkin are actually the weapons, and Aatrox was once a normal person. The same guy mentioned that Varus' bow might be one. There were several other champions he mentioned.

Some people think that Jax is one.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

There is even a theory about how Sona's instrument is one, as Darkin posession seems to have quite some effects on the body, varying on the degree of posession.

Actually Varus bow is not really a weapon: it's something he forced the corruption demon to form when he needed a weapon. That thong eating awy his body + the tentacles seem to be more of the actual darkin I think (keep in mind that "weapon" is an extremly variable term. Varus seems to have the bio-version of it.)

GreenLore5 votes

It was said in the TK Q&A that he is not a darkin. Tahm Kench is a demon,which is different from a darkin.

KING OF MASKS1 votes

Narrative really doesn't have the time to develop something as tertiary as the Darkin when they have huge swathes of uncovered ground. So yeah, they're probably forgotten for the moment.

By the way, Swain's raven is Beatrice, not Beatrix. And I would be severely disappointed if he/she turned out to be something as boring as a Darkin.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Ah sorry for getting the name wrong then <_<

Also... I do not really consider the Darkin "boring". Sure Aatrox is because he plays like your standart "demon warrior" which is quite lame and since his theme is not as complex (kill everything that moves). They could have done much in terms of gameplay, such as an interaction with the team that really keeps them fighting or something...

As manifestations the Darkin are truly interesting tho. If they turn out to be just all "slightly demonic buff dudes with weapons", well that's lame. But if my theory is true this idea has a LOT of potential...

KING OF MASKS1 votes

You're right, it's just a difference of opinion. The Darkin definitely have potential, but I just look at Aatrox and see a red demon guy with a sword: booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring.

Hopefully if narrative manages to actually catch up they can do something interesting with them.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Well his concept is quite good, but the execution is just... bad. Really, really bad. The gameplay has zero snyc with the lore, he might be just some dude with blood powers who went to the gym for a bit. Apart from something even WW can do (lifesteal) there is nothing special about him...

He's supposed to turn even a small group of people into a bunch of murderous killing machines that could win against all odds. Yet ingame all his ult does is giving him a bigger dong to slap people with. Just... why?

They should tie his blood-well to his ult: while active creates an area around Aatrox that empowers allies. When they would take lethal damage a part of blood well is consumed and their HP set back to X (random low value here). This repeats until blood well is empty or an ult timer runs out. This would force Aatrox players to play really, really, really agressive in fights as they need to keep their bloodwell up somehow, because if they don't their attack speed, revive-power and ultimate drop down.

THIS is how you do bloodlusty design that feels like you are playing the living incarnation of war.

kJs1 votes

Which Death? Kindred or the Lord of Death; Mordekaiser? Karthus likes death too, so does Thresh.

Ralanr1 votes

Naw, Thresh likes torture.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Kindred of course, if we talk about Darkins as manifestations of abstract concepts.

MeDicenWera1 votes

I think it might be too much to try and identify darkin attributes where RIOT hasn't made a mention of them, tough the Swain theory is pretty interesting. I think honestly, HONESTLY, this game's lore is pretty deficient, unorganized and messy, BUT that's a result of an attempt of having a big champion variety which is AMAZING for LoL in particular.

Of course with some champion releases and reworks we've had some champs tied by lore over the years, recently for example with Azir and Sivir. Who was Sivir before Azir's release? A Chakram throwing bounty hunter. Now she's the last descendant in the imperial line of Shurima.

We also had the ahh... Bilgewater event with GP, MF, TF and Graves that tied again some of that Lore AND translated it into some interesting gameplay chinges.

However I think that we have to live with the fact that most champs histories or backgrounds on the lore, exist independently with each other and only merge when RITO adds the line: So what was the next obvious step for "insert champion name"? Join the League of Legends to achieve their goals, YEEEEEEEEAH.

Remember that when PROJECT came out we had a teaser website, the skins, the icons, the bundles, the skins, the event in game, the cinematic called First Strike and then that's the end of it. We're most likely never gonna know what happenned to that "world/timeline" specifically, gonna have a Second Strike or something, but it keeps people speculating and talking about it, which keeps the game interesting, gives people things to talk about, until the next thing comes, which is great cause these events are really fun and almost always rewarding.

For the Darkin, if anything, we might or might not see an event or cinematic (?) probably involving Ezreal, maybe Tryndamere but that's really it.

Scilot1 votes

Ive seen some theories and concepts on what the Darkin could be and what they've done, and the one that seems to stick out to me is that the 3 known Darkin could be gods that try to change the course of history in Runeterra for the better (Yes, even Aatrox). I could explain it all if you wanted.

Also, around the time of Aatrox's reveal it was confirmed that all darkin have wings and are able to fly, so that eliminates your idea saying that Aatrox is actually his sword, and Varus also couldn't be one either as much as I would like him to be one :( Those would make really neat additions to lore. Jax could have wings underneath his clothing though and Swain could be one.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Well, it wouldn't be weird for the posessed "host" to develop quite non-human characteristics.

Gues who also gets wings when going "full inhuman mode"...? Also, Swain might be able to fly. It was never confirmed... especially since his wings look a bit more suitable than whatever shredded thing Aatrox has on his back.

Varus is not completly done in by that posession, so he might get them later when he's about to die I guess.

About Jax... well, he looks pretty wrapped up with all that cloth. There could be literally anything underneath that...

Ralanr1 votes

I really hope the Darkin are a mutating symbiotic race. Because that sounds awesome.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Well it would explain why there are so few of them.

I mean, a "normal" super-race of warriors, each able to take on entire armies by themselves while also being immortal? And there are only FIVE of them?

If they were a normal biological race there would be something called "reproduction". Even when they had really low fertility rates there would be more than five.

However, this small number indictaes that they are more spiritual symbiotes than biological beings.

Gorgannan1 votes

Maybe they don't reproduce.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Uhm that wouldn't really explain how they came into existence if they are biological beings...

Gorgannan1 votes

Immortal beings are usually eternal. Basically weak Gods.

I mean, rocks are eternal. Once you throw magic in the mix, there's no reason being biological should make a difference.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

If that immortal being is some kind of spiritual manifestation that just "plopped" into existence at some point as a response to something, then this would be the "goldly" thing you mean and the theory I'm getting at in my original post.

Biological usually requires some kind of "creator" or parent.

Gorgannan1 votes

Well I mean, it's like the Grim Reaper. He wasn't created. Basically a small God.

Ralanr1 votes

Maybe they don't like to reproduce.

Stupid I know. But what if Darkin cannot be near each other for a long amount of time?

Or maybe the three Darkin that are aware of each other killed all but themselves and two who escaped?

Gorgannan1 votes

Do you have a source on the wings thing? I've never heard that.

Scilot1 votes

I'll try to find it, I know it says it on the Wiki, but I'll try to find where a Rioter said it.

Stephenizgod1 votes

"Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse"

...Yorick...

always forgotten

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

I long ago waited for more Darkins,as an Aatrox main In Aatrox's AMA a rioter gave a "future spoiler"5 Darkins exist,but only 3 of them ever mentioned,while the other 2 are completely unknown to the rest of the world. Maybe even the other Darkins don't know of them,they don't speak much" 2013-end of 2015 still no new content. Even though Aatrox's body looks like a corrupted human,I still don't support the theory of Aatrox being the blade

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

Btw look at swain's lore,it's interesting

Kamiroo Wolf1 votes

Sigh Everyone has seemed to forget that Beatrice is the REAL dark force behind League =_=

Swain Just look at the face of the one man army...true evil Swain

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