How to reconnect the Leeague with the new Lore: Champions aren't people, they are Legends.

Duke Anax··5 votes·1,843 views

This whole mess started with the premisse that the League was too restricting to Storry development. And I wholeheartedly agree with that!

It was somewhat annoying to see every character introduction end with a variation of the line "and they entered the League" They are kinda stuck at that point.

However, as you should have noticed by now, you went about resolving it the entriely wrong way. It's actually hard to believe that anyone would even suggest something like removing the League of Legends from League of Legends. Let alone everyone agreeing with it.

You basically removed the entire core of the game and then even had the gall to say "Yeah it's Super Smash Runeterra now, deal with it!" Anyone (except your obvioulsy) could have imagined that going sour.

Well now to the good points: The Shurima Lore we got so far was a good start. I especially like the fact that Nasus and Renekton are part of Runeterra now, instead of some summoned aliens. However Xerath looks flat evil now, instead of the tragic layered character he was before. But Rioters said that's because this event was focussed on Azir's point of view and we'll get the rest of Xerath' story later. So i'll hold my judgedment about that, but I do wonder why it wasn't done now.

So the Lore seems to be going in the right direction at least, but it remains that it is completely detached from the game and that's the biggest issue people have with it. So how can we get the two back together?

Let's see, one of the biggest problems with the old lore where that the champions couldn't really do anything anymore after joining with the League. Well don't require the actual people to be in the League, have the champions be a representation of their Legend.

Like they already did with Baron Nashor: His lore explicitely states that the IoW could find the actual baron, so they made a copy based on his legend. Have them do that for all the characters.

Also people have been comparing the IoW with the UN, but that is not quite right, the UN is based on mutual agreement. The IoW stands above nearly untouchable, enforcing order on Runeterra, that's what's restricting the story too much around it..

Getting rid of the notion that the summoners are all powerfull otherworldly beings (players) was the right direction. However Runeterra has enough powerfull mages of it's own to create the IoW by itself, with a lot more balance.

So by what we have sofar the story would enfold something like this:

Sivir ressurects Azir, who ressurrects Shurima. That and a few other events eventually lead to the great Rune Wars that devastate the entire main land and also draws in the surrounding islands. After a while, some powerfull neutral mages grow tired of the war and join together to force a cease-fire. The IoW is formed and the nations reluctantly agree to resolve the rest of their conflicts on the fields of justice.

Thus drawing the connection back to the game.

That way summoenrs are representatives of the different Nations, using their Legends to fight for their country. This would also allow for those gamemodes like the incredibly popular Ionia vs Noxus game, where the Nations are only allowed their own champions or neutral ones.

In this setup, most of the lore would exist and could freely be resolved before the IoW is even formed, while it still allows Champions like Jax and Orianna whose lore is solely based on the existence of the League.

tl,dr: Riot Narrative goofed (again), lets' try to fix it constructively: A lot of the story unfolds before the IoW is formed. The IoW is formed by powerfull but not allmighty sorcerrers native to Runetrra. Champions are magical beings, created by the IoW meant to represent a certain Legend. The actual source of that Legend does not have to be associated with the IoW (or even alive). Summoners are representatives of each nation that resolve conflicts on the flied of justice.

16 Comments

LordHippoman4 votes

This has been proposed before, but it runs into the same problems people tend to have with the new Lore. They want stories about Garen and Darius, not generic Noxian Summoner and generic Demacian summoner using giant Garen and Darius action figures.

Duke Anax2 votes

Actually this gives the option for both. They can write whole stories about Garen and Darious and then they can write whole stories about Noxus fighting Demacia in the League.

If the story is set up so that they survive to witness the formation of the IoW, Garen could even be one of those generic Demacian summoners.

SecretLore3 votes

Overall I'd say this would be a good thing. It obviously won't please everyone,but in the end it would result in keeping the league despite the current retcon,which would at least be something.

It would however cause some questions,like "Why did all these champions live at the same time?" "Why create a copy of child annie instead of her when she's an adult?"

Duke Anax1 votes

actually "Why did all these champions live at the same time?" is exactly the problem they had with the old Lore.

With this conecpt they wouldn't have to anymore. the individual champion could have lived hundreds of years before the League, They wouldn't even have to resurrect Azir, to get him in the League. Or the champion could be one of those that witness the creation of the league.

Annie would be one of those champions that got famous right before.

SecretLore1 votes

But I don't see them giving us champs from different times. I mean that would disconnect some champs even more than they are now. And we have already so many champs who are confirmed to live at the same time,that it'd look odd if suddenly champs from other times started being introduced(although I'd really like to see Boram darkwill as a champion)

Duke Anax1 votes

It doesn't actually have to be from completely different times. But it allows for them to die right before or even during the period of the IoW and still fight in the League.

Which was, according to some Rioters, the biggest issue they had with the old lore.

For example Warwick could never kill Soraka, nor be put down.

Sneak Dog3 votes

The old lore set up a system in which we, the summoners, could have actual lore impact by playing the battles between factions. Of course, in-lore there'd be only one such battles where we'd fight a hundred, but that is still infinitely more immersive than portraying them as historic characters or distach the game entirely. It was never used, sadly, but it was set up entirely in the JoJ.

Just playing historic figures would feel disconnected, just like the current lore.

Duke Anax1 votes

That's the beauty of this solution. The lore, or rather parts of it would be set in the past, but the League would once again be set in the present, allowing those decisive battles.

And it doesn't require all of them to be historic. It can be flexible that way. It simply allows for some stories to be concluded, while other could lead right to the League. As opposed to the old Lore, where every story had to lead to the League.

Ark Angel HFB2 votes

I really dislike this idea.

  1. it means that all interaction in game are hollow and meaning less as they are not real.

The plan old lore was really good. It did the job and connected everything well.

Duke Anax1 votes

Right now they are hollow and meaningless, as they are not even connected to the world.

The old lore was good, but it had it's issues and was somewhat stuck.

I think this would connect everything back together without the old issues.

Ark Angel HFB1 votes

Right now they are hollow and meaningless, as they are not even connected to the world.

The old lore was good, but it had it's issues and was somewhat stuck.

I think this would connect everything back together without the old issues.

If you say it was stuck... I instantly disagree with you.

Duke Anax1 votes

How do you disagree?

What I meant with stuck is, that Warwick could never kill Soraka, Caitlyn could never catch Jinx, becasue they are in the League. Pretty much all champion stories were like that.

Ark Angel HFB1 votes

How do you disagree?

What I meant with stuck is, that Warwick could never kill Soraka, Caitlyn could never catch Jinx, becasue they are in the League. Pretty much all champion stories were like that.

Hey, they shifted WW from just "wanting" to "needing" to kill Soraka with a retcon...

And WW already killed one champ... so why couldn't he kill soraka? Because they do not want to kill a champ. not that the IoW stopped them.

Urf was a full champ who had been through a judgement, and died ON summoners rift. WW killed him and he never came back. You can say he was a joke character, but it did set a president that a champ CAN die.

They could have told all kinds of stories about Caitlyn trying to limit Jinx wrecking stuff.

The IoW sure didn't stop Shaco from stabbing a league reporter.

I'm in game more to come in a bit...

GreyXpelliarmus1 votes

They just don't want that, you're saying make the champions "legends" so they fight for their country/interests, and they don't want that, they want the lore-gameplay separated (sadly imo this ruins everything) so even if this is a good idea is another variation of the actual lore

Duke Anax1 votes

You misunderstoof, the champions wouldn't fight for their country, because they are just copys that fight for the purpose of the league. The countrys can use the league to further their interest, preferably with the champions that are associated to them.

Also this would keep the Lore, mostly seperated from the game, it would just ultimately lead to the League. Then maybe flow alongside the League.

Clad in Plaid1 votes

Reminds me of Battleforge (an interesting and fun game that was abandoned by EA after a year or two) in that it's not the real deal, just a copy of them (Battleforge also mentioned that the copies were also idealized versions of their real selves, which I could see in some of the characters like Garen or Azir with all the shinyness).

A big problem with this type of lore is that there's no present action; the champions are just legends and so they don't have any physical manifestation outside of wherever they are all gathered to fight because they're long dead. There would be no ongoing lore, just information of past ages.

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