I just realized why out of all champs Viktor's fanbase is so loud...

SaltyToplaneGoat·12/11/2016, 11:28:39 PM·20 votes·1,960 views

I think every champion has that single one hardcore-fan out there. Like, Malicious Metal who has literally become the acolythe of Mordekaiser, or Superb Villain who, if I remember correctly, is in eternal service to the Tiny Master of Eeeeevil. But these are individuals and one cannot make a judgement of a whole fanbase based on one single person.

Yet the Viktor fanbase seems to be extremly passionate and as they are as a group there has to be something with Viktor's specific design that makes these people flock to him. There are a few reasons why people get passionate about characters, either it's their uniqueness (Aurelion Sol comes to mind. Sassy Star Dragon? THAT'S what i callm unique even as someone who reads a ton of fantasy) or their fanbase identifies themselves with them.

Viktor's theme is not exactly unique, the blurring line of machinery and biological life has been a thing in fiction since almost a century. And his moral greyness was not anything to spend much time thinking about either. I realized that the answer was much, much simpler.

And for that we need to look at Jayce, his direct antagonist. The one character that opposes him and, somehow, hints to be the opposite of him. Now, here is what Jayce appeared like before new lore came and made him a collossal jerk (which is not a bad thing, actually a world without jerks is kinda weird) and Viktor... whatever will come with the new lore once it gets released.

Jayce was talented. Good Looking. Popular. Has a muscular body in addition to his brains. He has social status. He has wealth. He's celebrated as a nation wide hero. In short: he's literally better at everything you could do or be.

And now placed next to him: A misunderstood nerd outcast from society because "he was too smart for them" and they didn't like his ideas.

And yes, it is that mudane: it boils down to the "popular kid" who got blessed with good genes, talent and a good upbringing and who hit puberty far before everyone else VERSUS the poor outcast nerd no one likes, who with that got the underdog status.

I'm not saying that all Viktor fans are sad little nerds or whatever, but reconsider this: most of the playerbase in league has their school years long behind them. Maybe not 20 years, but long enough to go back into a time where being a "nerd" was a crippling social stigma. Heck, even in my time ten years ago I was the weird kid who liked computer games and meddling with tech. I know, this "popular kid vs the weak nerd" clichee has been overdone a thousand times especially in other media, but there lies a certain truth within it, or at least there has been back then. It might have changed a little for kids today though, due to previous domains of nerdiness have hit the mainstream hard.

And who comes to post here on the forums? Those people who actully go to the boards and move through the online world, which, against all what we usually tend to believe, is A SMALL MINORITY COMPARED TO LoLs ACTUAL PLAYERBASE. Out of my circle of friends who play this game I'm the only one browsing the forums regulary and not just when a sever breaks or something and want to know what's going on.

To be on these boards usually means you are a nerd, at least by the old standards of the word, and chances are you have always been that kind of "nerd".

So we got a place were people falling into the old concept of "nerd" are overrerpresented. And now we have a champion who literally embodies this entire "the underdog nerd who has to square off against a bully who just got everything for free". Maybe this is why people gets so passionate about Viktor: because they subconsciously project theirselves on his old lore.

No one complained about Jayce now being a total prick. If anything, it fit perfectly into his "bully" role in this play. But now that Viktor becomes more of a detailed character and gets harder to project upon due to a massive reduce of the vagueness old lore had way too much of... yeah, I can see why that gets people pissed. As I was the "nerd kid" myself back in the day, I can totally understand what was the appeal of old Viktor to certain people.

The thing is: characters don't soely exist so people can project their ideas upon them. That's, if anything, the job of the author and the author alone. Sure, you can do that like with any character, but that is not the defining feature of one. The loss of a projection surface due to a change IS IN ABSOLUTELY NO WAY A LEGIT CRITICISM ON THE CHANGE ITSELF.

Authors write to create stories and characters, not empty projection surfaces for you as a reader to fill out!

Eh, it's half past midnight now and I hope this actually made some sense, but I think that concludes what I think about the Viktor-fanbase's collective screeching since the Jayce lore has been released. Maybe some of the rabid complainers gotta be honest with themselves and ask if they really liked the old Viktor - or just what he allowed them to project upon him...

25 Comments

A Superb Villain12/12/2016, 12:07:58 AM9 votes

A reasonable argument, logical. I suppose some might develop an attachment to Viktor based on circumstantial similarities. I liked Viktor's story because it subverted the typical "mad scientist" archetype. The Glorious Evolution could have been a scheme of global domination under the banner of "improving" humanity by stripping them of free will through augmentations, all the while Viktor cackling as he twirls his mustache, or becomes so detached from his humanity he genuinely believes a species devoid of emotion is superior. Instead, his story leans toward transhumanist concepts via prosthetic and implants, which does not end in the subjugation of all mankind, nor guaranteeing a utopia of augmented beings who have surpassed the limitations of humanity.

Making Viktor a villainous mad scientist, regardless of his intentions, is just retreading a trope that has been around since the first functional civilization. Trans- and Post-humanism are relatively new concepts that are relevant to current trends in technological innovation, and is not so clear on how they will impact society.

Also, I moonlight as a Viktor fan.

http://i.imgur.com/y3UhX1p.gif?noredirect

333lom12/12/2016, 11:22:23 AM7 votes

Your rather large essay is actually quite useless. We already said we identify with Viktor to a certain extent. You can read about that in my posts.

And not only is this perfectly fine, the ability of a character to allow the audience to identify wit them** is the only key to making the main character successful.**

Viktor is not a foil for Jayce. He was created as his standalone character in the original lore. He is the protagonist of his own story. I'm rather surprised to see you don't know that the main characters have to be identifiable with. Read what any good writer or director said about their characters, for example if you want, Miyazaki has good explanation on his main characters.

I also have many friends who love Viktor's original lore, but they never glanced the Boards. You can't correlate the number of "nerds" on Boards with the number of genuine Viktor fans.

Also, this is the second thread you make just to attack people who are putting their time into fighting for this character. It is obvious you are approaching from the standpoint of "new lore is by default better" and you didn't even take into consideration any of our large explanation threads. If anything, the new lore is more illogical and cliche. You farm for upvotes, while we fight for a character.

Ask the Herald12/12/2016, 8:07:14 AM6 votes

What? No? What irks us Viktor "fanboys", as you so mildly put it, about Riot's vision for him is that it's yet another example of the stereotypical "cyborg is not good" element that infests so much fiction in the current decade. Granted, there are quite a lot of heroic and irrefutably good cyborg characters (like Genos from One Punch Man, any Megaman, and even Cyborg of DC acclaim who's going to be showing up in the upcoming Justice League film), but there are far more ignoble and downright nasty cyborg characters. Viktor was the first cyborg in fiction to have not leaned to either side significantly - his cause was noble enough but the results of his work were super questionable, especially his drastic personality change from humanitarian to transhuman.

SkyMagpie12/12/2016, 1:15:22 AM5 votes

While this is a very interesting and valid observation, you do forget that a lot if Vikor's fandom existed even before Jayce was released - that is how we got his lore changed in the first place. So perhaps there is still something you overlooked.

Chromatic Eagle12/12/2016, 2:33:16 PM4 votes

People liked him because he was a misunderstood protagonist. Riot is trying to turn him into a tragic villain or a fallen hero type.

FunkyDan12/12/2016, 2:12:14 AM3 votes

While i don't play viktor (Yet) i like viktor because cyborg russian revolution.

Hrd2H1t12/12/2016, 12:56:09 AM3 votes

Just like a Viktor main, I also relate to my main, Sion :)

i want to be dead

mosaickle12/12/2016, 1:29:01 PM3 votes

I'm sure this is going to get a ton of downvotes for my laziness but...

...can you sum the post up for me?

Ebonmaw Dragon12/12/2016, 2:41:29 PM3 votes

I always assumed because its the fanbase of Blitzcrank + Viktor + Urgot + Zaun in general

Mogarl12/13/2016, 3:20:46 PM2 votes

Going to have to disagree with you. The reason so many Viktor fans are angry about Jayce's lore is because they have been angry about it since he was first released. Then finally after the Great Retcon when Jayce's lore has gotten updated his changes insignificantly, while also retconning things people actually liked about Viktor.

If you were in love with Viktor's origin story you are now SOL. Jayce's lore that's applicable to Jayce and his relationship with Viktor hasn't really changed, but when that relationship developed has moved significantly. The entire first half of Viktor's lore is now false, and some people were really, really, into that, and used that to support a lot of their views on Vik.

I don't think anyone really cared or thought of Jayce vs. Viktor as bully vs. nerd. Mostly because in this situation Viktor stole Jayce's lunch money. You would be better off with a claim that since "nerds" are more likely to enjoy Vik's story they got angry about traits of a bully being placed on a character that they valued.

Personally I'm more open to what could come about from Viktor's lore, but I'm also not nearly as invested in the exact circumstances of his origin story.

Lintu Puck12/12/2016, 10:57:42 AM2 votes

Falconshield - This Is War 2: Piltover vs Zaun (Original LoL song COLLAB) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBNpS8QqD_I

Jayce part - 2:15 (especially the line at 2:45)

Viktor part - 3:45

just felt like sharing this old bit of fun

Shaco my BFF12/12/2016, 10:55:31 AM1 votes

Why people fanboy certain champions (most of the time): they're OP.

Big Lincoln12/12/2016, 12:49:02 AM1 votes

I like viktor because robot men are cool