Kayn's Personality - Or lack thereof.

Oleandervine·6/28/2017, 8:24:43 PM·5 votes·2,539 views

Riot, I commend you for Kayn's kit and his looks, as both are fun, edgy, and fairly unique in the game.

However, he's extremely lacking in nearly every other creative aspect. His lore (that we know and can divulge) is entirely unoriginal, trite, and as shallow as a kiddy pool. He's Zed's student who wants to overcome Zed. Oh lawdy, this is such a novel, new concept, a dark student seeking to overcome their master and use dark shadow powers to control the world or more, and intends to do so with a vile weapon he's gone into contract with. This guy is pretty much every anime trope rolled into one character - except lacking any unique personality that those characters have. Even Yasuo has better lore than this guy, and that's pretty bad.

And then there's his voice over. His interactions with Rhaast are trivial at best, and eye-rollingly bad at the worst. He's got the most mundane, tryhard personality I've ever seen, and it doesn't have any endearing qualities. He's mediocre, boring, and a character we have seen ad nauseum. Rhaast has more personality than him, and the sassy bloodthirsty demon in itself is a common trope nowadays. Neither one of them is particularly strong in conveying anything deep about their character, and together they're marginally better, but not much. This, of course, collapses in on itself when they choose to go Shadow or Darkin, as they lose the other voice, and fall into complete boring mediocrity. I would highly recommend he go back to the drawing board and have his personality revisited. At current, Yorick and the Maiden make for a more compelling duality than Kayn and Rhaast.

Ionia has such rich lore that you have yet to tap into. You've given us quite a few characters from Ionia recently, and the past 2 (Xayah and Rakan) have vague reasons for existing, but at least their campy personalities makes up for it. We actually know very little of Ionia, except that it's Japan where animal people live and the humans use magic and yoga to become wise, and that it was attacked by Noxus years and years ago. The whole story you've hinted at around Ionia (Shen/Zed/Yasuo) is mildly compelling, but so far, there's been no unique aspect to it - Jhin was actually one of the most unique things to come from Ionia, and even then, the hints in his lore don't give us much of an idea of how things are there. I would prefer to see things move in a direction that has a unique League of Legends flavor to it - and start straying away hard from the stereotypes and tropes that you're starting to fill Ionia with. It really is becoming a land that's too much Japan and too much of what we've seen before in anime and other games. Where is our Ionia like The Shadow Isles or Piltover/Zaun? Where are the unique intrigues of the nation that has pieced itself back together after a war, and strives to balance it's light with it's dark? Where is the lore that expands on the trio of ninjas (Kennen, Akali, Shen) and their role as enforcers for Karma as she tries to balance the good against the darkness? Where is the lore that encompasses the wild cards Syndra, Yasuo, and Varus as they tangle with the unseen warring factions of the government and the Shadow Clan? Please, you guys have a lot you can build around without resorting to common, shallow anime personalities, so I implore you to go back to your roots and build what you have that's unique.

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Valaran Nara6/28/2017, 8:43:46 PM4 votes

The thing that makes him shallow is that we don't have background. Yes, he's that edgy emo kid, but it's not fair to refer to EVERY instance of emo as shallow and unoriginal. That's pretty much rude and counterproductive. While there may be a few examples where edgelords were in the majority, it goes against having a diverse cast of personas and beings if we don't have at least one person who is edgy emo for the sake of being edgy emo.

For example, some people dislike Xayah for sounding like that one stereotypical goth girl at school that hates everyone. I love it! Why? Cause nobody else in League does that. NOBODY! Yes, it might be cringy, but Xayah in the context of League and the cast itself is not unoriginal at all. Xayah and Rakan's existence throws Zed into a more gray area. Sure he may be a shadow ninja and killed his master, but his motif is "Greater Good". That means, if it helps more people than it harms, he will do what it takes. Even if it's a big bad. Now you have this guy dealing with a racial extremist and her idiot boyfriend. She is, once again, AN EXTREMIST who hates all humans. She doesn't give a single one a chance and assumes all of them are bad. She has such a huge negative to her the only reason some people look at her as "good" is because they know her story and background. Her people are dying, and those who are the cause of it don't seem to care. To save her kind, she must usher in a new crusade against the humans who have violated a sacred oath and treaty.

Once again, that sounds heroic and something people can understand, but she's still a RACIAL EXTREMIST! Kayn might be overtly edgy and seem to cater to those 12-14 yr old plebs who write god awful fanfics (both mysterious cool guy and...ya...yao...damn fangirls), but we still don't know the entirety--or at the very least full context--of what he's trying to do. We only have a snippet. What we need is his background and color text. Cause with his lines to Shen, we can at least tell he harbors no animosity towards the Kinkou clan and that he doesn't seek to snuff them out in full. Whatever is going on with Kayne, I'm sure it's going to deal with 2 things:

The cultivation of natural magicks (which stifles the Vastayans) And the secret Ionian government which appears to be working within the shadows.

Remember, Jhin was imprisoned for life. Somebody let him out, and somebody gave him a suit, a gun, and a mission. Kayn's desire to control Ionia with the Order of Shadows as the instated government may seem crazy and dark at first, but his reasons and motivations for it might show a contrast you wouldn't expect at first.

GreenLore6/28/2017, 9:56:45 PM2 votes

Overall your post shows that you haven't really listened to what he actually says.

Kayn does deeply respect Zed and even Shen. When he kills Zed ingmae he expresses regret over it and when he kills Shen,he talks about how he doesn't like to fight him.

So no,he does not want to overthrow Zed,he wants to succeed him that is all.

Him showing respect to Shen also shows that he cares about balance and he does mention that he kills the few to save the many.

King Asgore6/28/2017, 8:35:05 PM1 votes

Rhaast has more personality than him, and the sassy bloodthirsty demon in itself is a common trope nowadays.

I like my sassy demon boi thank you very much. Best tropes 2017

As for why hes so anime is just that. Hes an edgy anime main character type trope. They're **always **boring and super stereotypical in personality

Even Rakan and Xayah I hated but it's whatever. "muh love for you will make us survive" please, stop. I personally didn't like it but many others did. Just as I like my sassy almost parental demon trope

In the end its really different strokes for different folks. You won't like everything

HalcyonDweller6/28/2017, 8:37:20 PM1 votes

Well reasoned and argued, I'm not sure if I personally agree yet but you've opened my own eyes to the possibilities.

Rebonack6/28/2017, 9:12:56 PM1 votes

Funny thing, Aatrox always bugged me. The name, the look, the whole package. The edginess is just too much for me to handle, he feels like some kid's crappy OC.

But Kayn? By God, I didn't think Riot could out-edge Aatrox, but they pulled it off. In spite of that, I'm having trouble bringing myself to dislike him as much as I dislike Aatrox. I suspect it's because Aatrox feels like he was being played straight, like he's supposed to inspire and awe us with how cool he is. But Kayn is just so absurdly over the top that it comes off as humorous. Like an Ouroboros of edgelorditude devouring itself until all traces of, "Stop laughing, guys, I'm serious!" are utterly gone.

I feel like the cliched, shallow background just drives the point home even harder.

Blue Hair Traps11/3/2017, 2:13:06 AM1 votes

Dude, that's what we want. The crossover between the League community and the Weeb community is huge. Most pros watch/have watched anime completely unironically, and so do most non-pro streamers and regular players. Heck, Nightblue3 is one of THE most popular STREAMERS of all time and he bases his entire aesthetic around anime. Just face it kid, the anime aesthetic in League is here to stay whether you lie it or not.