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Follow up to my post about Visual Updates

Kloqdq··3 votes·395 views
Do people want more Visual Updates? (Twitch, Karthus, etc.)

So about a month ago I made a post asking if people want more Visual Updates. The overall response was good and after looking at what people said and the numbers I figured I'd share it and get something nice for Riot to consider in the future.

First the poll numbers. Out of the 135 people that did leave a vote, 109 voted for yes in regards to more VUs while 26 voted no. That is about 81% of voters in favour of more VUs. I hoped more would vote to give a larger sample size but that still shows a good mind set of the communities thoughts. If this was opened to more people I'd imagine the figure would drop to closer to 60% realistically.

As to what most people said, I think it's fair to say when we get a full VU, it's really fresh and exciting. Although the core champion doesn't really change, the fresh coat of paint can help a lot of champions feel modern and just better suited for the current game. One issue that did bring me to make this post a while back and do this follow up was Riot's belief people don't want VUs at all. Although I do agree, most people would rather have a VGU over a VU, there is a lot of champions that will remain memes or jokes until a later date.

Caitlyn LeeSin Lulu XinZhao (his got a small gameplay update so I wouldn't mind seeing something new for him)

These are good examples of champions that are all considered fine in a lot of ways whether you like it or not, with kits that will probably not have any major changes but will be left looking like jokes or just outdated for ages until Riot has time. Sometimes, just a VU is needed to help a champion out. I just hope Riot will consider that in the future as they move forward.

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Valor Bot4 votes

I think the main issue here is that the boards community doesn't represent the global League community as a whole. Sure, maybe a lot of us here on the forums would love to get more pure VUs, but the actual numbers seem to say otherwise.

IMO, the resources spent towards making pure VUs would be better served in making full VGUs. Heck, even if they hired a completely new team of Rioters just to make VUs, I'd prefer if they just converted it into a VGU team so we could get bigger and better changes faster.

Oftentimes, champions like Xin Zhao -- while seemingly not in need of any gameplay or thematic changes -- could actually be much more successful if their theme was taken to the next level. Xin's theme for example is kind of confused between 'seneschal', which is a steward or officer who looks over a particular family (in this case Jarvan's), and 'gladiator' (which his gameplay seems to imply more than anything). Rather than solving this identity crisis inherent within his current art, theme, and gameplay, a VU would just postpone it for a later date, which is why I take issue with pure VUs. I'd much rather they take a good, hard look at Xin's character and come up with a new cohesive kit built around that (is he a protector/warden-like steward? or a brawly, diver-like gladiator?) rather than spending resources on delaying the best version of Xin that there can be.

Kloqdq1 votes

Yeah I can completely agree with you. I mainly would like Riot tackle the few odd balls that are left in the dust, outdated but still holding strong with gameplay. Lee, Caitlyn and Lulu are the biggest contenders for this. Although yes, I would like to see a VGU for a lot of champions, the very small number of champions that are lacking in Visuals could use the love. Even some champions could use minor texture updates like Thresh TwistedFate Vi Vayne Varus as the old models they sit on are not nearly as amazing as the current ones. Look at Kayn then Varus and you'll see the lack of detail.

It's a small thing but I would like Riot to not forget that some of the older champions are sitting on weaker models.

LostFr0st1 votes

XinZhao is getting an actual Gameplay Update with kit changes this fall. He's a stat stick right now.

Kloqdq1 votes

(his got a small gameplay update so I wouldn't mind seeing something new for him)

Slight miswording on my part but what I meant was; I know his getting a gameplay update, but they may be ignoring him visually. His visuals are just as bland as his gameplay frankly.

LostFr0st1 votes

Ah, I see what you mean then. They might do touch-ups on the texture, he'll at least get new particles/animations on whatever they change. Overall, I don't think he looks that bad compared to others. I'd rather they do this than let him sit for a couple years.

Kloqdq1 votes

He just feels lackluster from a visual design perspective. He has no character or that character is so dull it goes unnoticed. VUs not only add particles and animations but voices, lore and the model update. It's something I'd hope they'd do but I highly doubt since gameplay is their only concern for this update.

LostFr0st1 votes

They GU'd Maokai; he got voice changes too. Hoping they do that more if they can.

Pure VUs don't give voice changes I'm more than pretty sure. I think the last one I remember them doing was Karthus?? like 2-3 years ago. Most people didn't even notice it. :/

I think Xin has a lot of potential for a full VGU, but there's a lot of champs in front of him.

Edit: i hope when he gets a VGU that he gets a horse. Xin needs a horse.

Kloqdq1 votes

Trundle got one too. Pure VUs have changed a lot over the years and we have received a massive variety of them. Most people now would not notice because they are new but I know anyone that has played back then has greatly appreciated the VUs Riot has done.

Alistar Heimerdinger(I am forgetting if this was VU or VGU)Garen Karthus Malzahar Maokai MissFortune Renekton Sivir Sona Soraka Trundle Twitch Sejuani

All these champs gained something from their updates (many of them have had kit changes since their VUs) and it was Riot themselves saying people didn't care for the updates that ticked me off because I loved all these updates.

Xin does need a VGU though, I just added him because of his gameplay updated. Xin does need a horse though.

LostFr0st1 votes

Trundle Did he? XD

Yeah, I know what you mean about people liking them, Riot was referring specifically to the payoff vs time/effort though. VUs wouldn't get much attention whereas GUs and VGUs would get a ton of gushing from the playerbase even if the visual work was almost 1:1 compared to VU only.

Kloqdq1 votes

It's weird because I see more people bitch and moan about GU and VGUs then VUs xD. Most of my post was aimed at just making it so Riot doesn't think they are worthless and not something people want. People do want these and they are nice, we just shouldn't toss the idea out the window all together :P

Yeah Trundle got a whole new voice if I remember. Though Old Trundle is a bit of a blur at times so I may be wrong.

LostFr0st1 votes

O, THAT Trundle. Those are dark times; the times of Trundle and Karma reworks. We do not speak of those times here.

Kloqdq2 votes

God I wish I played him before he changed. My friend played him a little so that's the only reason I remember him XD

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