"There won't be a Harrowing event this year as it can happen at any time."

Blade of Justic·Oct 31, 2015·84 votes·4,803 views

-Paraphrased-

So, are you willing to do this with the LCS?

Because, you know, it actually COULD happen at any time.

57 Comments

HopeslayerOct 31, 201517 votes

a wall of text is not an event

Celio Hogane HDNov 1, 20154 votes

Yes, that is the point, this one was not an event.

Besides that it was NOT a wall of text, it was LORE, LONG AND LOVED LORE.

HopeslayerNov 1, 20154 votes

meanwhile like every other game out there is doing an actual event, with i**n game **things for their game

Celio Hogane HDNov 2, 20151 votes

hey i don't say i don't understand, i just say i don't freaking care, FINALLY MORE LORE.

Shroom JunkieOct 31, 20158 votes

Well, to be fair competitive players do have a schedule. But yeah, it makes no sense for the Harrowing to not be on Halloween. Its literally made for it.

Synx7Nov 1, 20158 votes

Way to go riot!. You're destroying the game day by day, season by season. Give us a reason to gtfo to Dota2 altho ive never played it before

CornbreadAvengerNov 1, 20152 votes

You should try it. You might find that you prefer its pace/difficulty over league's...or you might_ hate_ it lol.

JAGMAGNov 1, 20151 votes

its very different at its core its the same but the champs and mechanics are so so so much different

redniwediSOct 31, 20156 votes

Do you have a link for this likely heavily paraphrased quote?

Blade of JusticOct 31, 201510 votes

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Do you have a link for this likely heavily paraphrased quote?

http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-pbe-feedback/Grefbrd1-a-note-about-the-harrowing

redniwediSOct 31, 20157 votes

I don't really see how you came to the assumption that there won't be a Harrowing even this year from that thread.

We've already gotten a Harrowing story, and we're getting a zombie themed login screen and skins. They have been pretty clear that the way events are being handled is going to be different, so it would seem to be a little unfair to say an event's not happening simply because it's not like the last one that happened.

Blade of JusticOct 31, 201518 votes

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-snip- I don't think zombie apocalypse themed skins and a story is quite up to "Event" standards.

There was the "Bilgewater Event" which had us rack up scores in different modes to earn icons, gave us an ARAM skin and new announcer voice while changing particles, loads of new pirate themed skins for many champs, a featured game mode with tons of new items and new trick to try out, a rework of Gangplank along with a new skin, a new skin for Miss Fortune AND to top it off, all of these content updates came out in tandem with the story events.

Now, THAT was an event.

So, for us to get almost a fourth of that during an actual holiday is a little disappointing.

SukishooOct 31, 20155 votes

A game mode is different from an EVENT. All events don't always come with a game mode to earn something.

Blade of JusticOct 31, 20156 votes

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A game mode is different from an EVENT. All events don't always come with a game mode to earn something.

Who said I was looking specifically for a game mode?

I would have been fine with a Harrowing vault opening. Maybe a little hype page like they used to. Pretty much anything outside of "Here's some Lore, you'll get some skins whenever."

SukishooOct 31, 20154 votes

They've given us a Harrowing Story, and the skins are coming soon. Just have to wait, cause you know Worlds just ended.

FracturedJupiterNov 1, 20155 votes

Worlds was so lame. One team would just beat the living crap out the other. There were hardly any even match ups.

And what is so hard to unlock a vault of ALREADY FINISHED/RELEASED skins? It isn't hard, it is not like we need to download any extra content(other than the 3 new skins).

As for lores... They butchered and deleted a whole bunch of lore content from most of the champs more than two years ago. It took them 2 Harrowings to come up with a decent story for only a few of the champions. Anyone who has read the champion lores during S3 and older would know this.

redniwediSOct 31, 20152 votes

It's definitely disappointing, but there's been a change of standard between then and now. I'm not saying we should just let Riot make what's happening now the new standard, but it's a bit much to claim there was no event.

SkiasOct 31, 20157 votes

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It's definitely disappointing, but there's been a change of standard between then and now. I'm not saying we should just let Riot make what's happening now the new standard, but it's a bit much to claim there was no event.

It has felt really jumbled and half ass to me. It feels like they ran into worlds and preseason and couldnt figure out what to do. So harrowing got backburnered for worlds.

frigginmurlocsNov 1, 20151 votes

Yeah, I mean, financially, it makes sense, would you rather have skins go up for purchase or one million concurrents on twitch

SkiasNov 1, 20155 votes

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Yeah, I mean, financially, it makes sense, would you rather have skins go up for purchase or one million concurrents on twitch

The reasoning for it is just bizarre. Personally id rather have 2 skins during a holiday when the mood is there than have 5 skins at some random day when I dont care about spooky stories etc.

RetillinNov 1, 20151 votes

Why can't you do both? How hard would it have been to open the vaults and release this years Harrowing "skins" on Friday before Worlds?

L RayquazaNov 1, 20151 votes

Man do I wish I could have bought that Gangplank announcer voice pack, I probably would have paid 400-600 RP

PeriditionOct 31, 20155 votes

Most people are aware they made the Zombie/Slayers skins.

They just don't see the point of releasing and re-releasing Halloween skins they aren't available for...Halloween.

Get em TibbersOct 31, 201523 votes

He's not just saying it. It's Halloween now and there's no event going and there haven't been any news about it in the past week like there were every other year. So he's clearly stating facts. Harrowing was associated with Halloween and now it's like "hey kids you know father christmas decided Christmas won't be happening this year as I feel that having Christmas any other day of the year, say like August next year .. could be just as fun to celebrate it on." And next year in August ..no presents anyway because oh wait ..LCS going on we're busy.

turkeyBACONNov 1, 20151 votes

"hey kids you know father christmas decided Christmas won't be happening this year as I feel that having Christmas any other day of the year, say like August next year .. could be just as fun to celebrate it on."

Technically there is a such a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_in_July

CornbreadAvengerOct 31, 20156 votes

Yeah, it's pretty much guaranteed that there will be a harrowing event of some kind this year...maybe not as good as previous years, but we do have the story, skins, and even a possible hero announcement (Illaoi) to look forward to.

That being said, the quote does give them a free pass to skip events entirely if they decide to. You know, the next Harrowing could be in April of 2016, but it could just as easily be in October 2017. I get the feeling that maybe making content for these events is becoming more and more time consuming and Riot was looking for an excuse to have more production time.

My Waifu VanillaOct 31, 201510 votes

I mean I hope the people at Riot on Christmas Day go to their kids and be like "man, you know it would make a whole lot of sense for me to give you these presents today.....but f*ck that you can have them in June because it doesn't really matter when you get them right? right?"

DariusDemiurgeOct 31, 20156 votes

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I mean I hope the people at Riot on Christmas Day go to their kids and be like "man, you know it would make a whole lot of sense for me to give you these presents today.....but f*ck that you can have them in June because it doesn't really matter when you get them right? right?"

A shame we can't dictate when they get their pay checks and be like "You know your checks you will get them when ever cause it can happen anytime and it shouldn't matter."

qetzelOct 31, 20153 votes

My guess is that they wanted to release the next champion with the Harrowing but were a bit behind schedule. Instead of pulling an Azir and releasing a bug filled monstrosity, they are putting it off a little bit.

DariusDemiurgeOct 31, 20153 votes

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My guess is that they wanted to release the next champion with the Harrowing but were a bit behind schedule. Instead of pulling an Azir and releasing a bug filled monstrosity, they are putting it off a little bit.

As if they stopped them before.

frigginmurlocsNov 1, 20151 votes

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As if they stopped them before.

True misunderstanding at its finest, he is saying that they could do that, but decided against it because of the utter disaster that was azir on release

SkiasOct 31, 20155 votes

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I don't really see how you came to the assumption that there won't be a Harrowing even this year from that thread.

We've already gotten a Harrowing story, and we're getting a zombie themed login screen and skins. They have been pretty clear that the way events are being handled is going to be different, so it would seem to be a little unfair to say an event's not happening simply because it's not like the last one that happened.

What I gather is they cant get all the content done, so they spread it out all half assed. Any content riding the mood of a holiday is wasted when that holiday ends.

SkiasNov 1, 20154 votes

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I don't really see how you came to the assumption that there won't be a Harrowing even this year from that thread.

We've already gotten a Harrowing story, and we're getting a zombie themed login screen and skins. They have been pretty clear that the way events are being handled is going to be different, so it would seem to be a little unfair to say an event's not happening simply because it's not like the last one that happened.

Its late as hell is the problem. Halloween is come and gone, I know im not the only person that thinks its boring after the halloween mood is gone.

FerezillaNov 1, 20154 votes

Dumb holiday events > major esport tournaments.

Ok, got it. This is why you idiots won't ever run successful businesses.

Kat HeadNov 1, 201510 votes

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Dumb holiday events > major esport tournaments.

Ok, got it. This is why you idiots won't ever run successful businesses.

Another ignorant person thinking esports generates revenue for Riot.

This game is built on events and casual players not on esports. Almost no one anywhere cares who won the little tournament, after today less people care about League. Riot lost another chance to hook consumers today over something as stupid as esports. Like I do not care that Riot wastes money on it, but when it affects the game we all play (balance) and the content we are able to consume (events, skins) it has gone to far and needs to be shutdown.

There is potential for esports to draw people to the game through media attention (the only positive from esports), but when they arrive and find the game in its current condition will they like what they find ?

ZT XperimentorNov 1, 201514 votes

The first 2 years this game existed, it wasn't because it was doing well at esports events. It was because it had constant communication & flexibility with it's community. Something that's clearly degraded over the years.

Kat HeadNov 1, 20154 votes

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The first 2 years this game existed, it wasn't because it was doing well at esports events. It was because it had constant communication & flexibility with it's community. Something that's clearly degraded over the years.

Upvoted and I agree 100%, do not get me wrong I do not hate esports but if Riot is so bad at managing resources that we can not have both. I want them to know which one I would like to see stay (not esports). Riot seems to do less and less of the stuff that made them who and what they are, when other companies did this they fell and Riot will be no different.

JAGMAGNov 1, 20151 votes

but then you also have the opposite of you and allot of people commenting here seem to think everyone thinks like them...

I personally could care less about special events lore is sorta cool but i almost never play any game mode besides ranked and when i do i prefer it to be draft normal as i hate blind pick and aram makes me want to get into self harm so i do not mind there being nothing special because even if there was i wouldn't play it tbh i dont play this game for the special events i play it for competition so for people like my esports is a much bigger draw then special events i wouldn't even play

just a memoryNov 1, 20153 votes

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Upvoted and I agree 100%, do not get me wrong I do not hate esports but if Riot is so bad at managing resources that we can not have both. I want them to know which one I would like to see stay (not esports). Riot seems to do less and less of the stuff that made them who and what they are, when other companies did this they fell and Riot will be no different.

I wish Riot had better business priorities. Every company gets into the holiday season by putting up decorations, playing halloween/christmas music, and putting on sales. Riot is a business, and for the sake of making money they should be putting up holiday themed events and participate in the holiday spirit.

I don't think esports is necessarily bad. There is a lot of money to be made there and its a market that has not been fully capitalized yet. I do not condone the ways and means by which Riot has set up their slice of the esports scene. And it should not come at the expense of the game itself. There is no reason that LoL and esports cannot coexist.

Kat HeadNov 1, 20152 votes

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I wish Riot had better business priorities.

Me also.

{quoted} I don't think esports is necessarily bad.

Me either.

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There is a lot of money to be made there and its a market that has not been fully capitalized yet.

I dunno about this one, if by money to be made you mean people lured into playing the game then yes. Otherwise it is just a money pit for Riot to throw the money we give them.

{quoted} There is no reason that LoL and esports cannot coexist.

Agree completely, but if Riot is going to force us to choose. I choose the game over esports and it is one of the easiest choices I have ever made. I watch a little bit of the esports stuff, its ok just not worth this game degrading over.

OldDirtayNov 1, 20152 votes

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The first 2 years this game existed, it wasn't because it was doing well at esports events. It was because it had constant communication & flexibility with it's community. Something that's clearly degraded over the years.

its because hyped up big plays got turned into lcsbigplays

then into lc$bigplays, then they stopped caring where the money was coming from and only started caring that money was coming look at the player relation over the last say 2 years alone....has it got better or worse? case and point

JAGMAGNov 1, 20151 votes

im just saying the esports is what has kept me interested in LOL over the past 3 years if it wasn't for the LCS I would have probably quit being interested in this game a long time ago like a year or two ago so esports does make them money because it allows then to retain costumers such as my self as well as sponsor money and twitch money

SoMNiaNov 1, 20152 votes

No, it couldn't happen any time. LCS players have a JOB, with a CONTRACT and a SCHEDULE. This is an utterly absurd comparison. The Harrowing is not Hallowe'en. Hallowe'en doesn't exist on Runeterra. Neither, for that matter, does Christmas. "Real holidays" are irrelevant, as they don't exist in this fictional world, and not everybody celebrates them anyway. You have a problem with them not observing a holiday the way you want them to, but you think it's okay to be flippant about people's jobs? Just stop.

Blade of JusticNov 1, 20158 votes

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-snip-

First off, take a chill pill. If you don't have a chill pill, take a chill strip. Put it on your tongue, instant chill.

Second, the point is that they are so prompt and ready to jump on anything eSports related that they're getting more and more distanced from what made them fun in the first place. They might as well focus 100% on eSports the way it's looking.

SkiasNov 1, 20156 votes

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No, it couldn't happen any time. LCS players have a JOB, with a CONTRACT and a SCHEDULE. This is an utterly absurd comparison. The Harrowing is not Hallowe'en. Hallowe'en doesn't exist on Runeterra. Neither, for that matter, does Christmas. "Real holidays" are irrelevant, as they don't exist in this fictional world, and not everybody celebrates them anyway. You have a problem with them not observing a holiday the way you want them to, but you think it's okay to be flippant about people's jobs? Just stop.

Their contract and schedule is not my problem as a customer and consumer. It is riots responsibility to schedule properly so they can manage it. The greater part of the player base couldnt care about LCS in the least. Personally, I was just waiting for finals to get overwith so we could get back to making content.

SoMNiaNov 1, 20151 votes

Wait, "we"? You make content for League of Legends? That's cool! What's some of your work?

:| I'm sorry. Did I misunderstand? Well, no, I think YOU did. They don't stop making content because Worlds is happening. They have different people working on different things at the same time.

just a memoryNov 1, 20158 votes

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Wait, "we"? You make content for League of Legends? That's cool! What's some of your work?

You don't have to be an sarcastic @sshat.

In a way, each Lol-player makes content for League. Each player that gets in a game provides themselves as an opponent for someone else to play against. Without players, you have no game. Each player provides content for the game. However tiny.

Every artist that draws fanart of lol provides content. Every musician that composes a lol song provides content. Every fanfiction writer that writes a lol fanfiction provides content. (Despite however bad the shipping may be) Every analyst that summarizes the effectiveness of items and champions provides content. (aka Stonewall008) Every streamer that streams lol games provides content. (aka Solwolf)

Riot does NOT have a monopoly on 'league content'. Riot is simply the caretaker of the spaghetti code and botched retcons. Each player is a content provider in their own way.

:| I'm sorry. Did I misunderstand? Well, no, I think YOU did. They don't stop making content because Worlds is happening. They have different people working on different things at the same time.

If only this statement were true. IF IT WERE TRUE, it would mean that THE HARROWING WOULD ACTUALLY BE HAPPENING because RIOT would have PLANNED AHEAD properly and set up a team to tackle this year's Harrowing. I bet 4 interns, 1 artist, and 1 code technician probably could have tackled all the necessary elements to put together a Harrowing Event. This shows either a lack competence in planning and/or a lack of care for the playerbase.

And from a business standpoint, this is like shooting yourself in the foot. Holiday sales garner tons of revenue for companies. To blatantly disregard this fact is financial suicide. How many Harrowing skins got bought? NONE. How many players are disappointed? TONS. How many new players did LoL never gain because this event never happened? NONE. How many steadfast players are pissed off and may never buy another point of RP? DON'T KNOW. How many older players got pissed off and left? DON'T KNOW.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD REASON FOR HARROWING NOT TO HAPPEN.

SoMNiaNov 1, 20151 votes

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You don't have to be an sarcastic @sshat.

Have to? No, of course not. But it seemed appropriate. Dropping the "royal we" when you're not a Riot employee pretty much earned it. Players trying to claim ownership of LoL is not impressive. Do you even know what "spaghetti code" means, or are you throwing around buzzwords to justify your disrespect for the people who made the game you apparently consider to belong to you?

The Harrowing DID happen. The Harrowing is not Hallowe'en.

Kat HeadNov 1, 20152 votes