Why is Demacia so Boring?

PapaGreg21··50 votes·6,823 views

This will probably get downvoted like crazy but I will comment anyway because i don't give a concern. Look at the recent state of Bilgewater with the "death" of Gangplank or Piltover with Jinx blowing things up like the Joker. These seem like such exciting locales but everybody gets along too well in Demacia and powerful champions are just kissing up to Jarvan like it's their job.

Look at all the Demacian natives. They are all way too honorable and good. There is nobody there creating any conflict. Imagine watching Game of Thrones where you had the same king all the time, and everybody got along great. It would be awful. The only conflict they ever have is minor or with the Noxians who are infinitely more interesting.

I suggest incorporating a coup of Jarvan's position, a void infiltration of the city or an Ao Shin reckoning for J4 and Shyvana killing dragons. Something to make this part of Runeterra come to life and not just be "where we put all the good people."

Edit: For some reason there are people that are arguing that Demacia is the most favorable quality of life environment in Runeterra as an (argument?) to what I initially posted. I completely agree that I would move there if I were in this world and there is nothing "wrong" with being surrounded by good people. I would not want to move my family next to a void portal or to a high conflict area if I physically lived in this world. However, my initial statement was that the lack of morally diverse characters and the successful orderly regime of J4 has created an environment where conflict (and thus exciting story) is rare and usually minor within the confines of the city.

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DG Ashabel40 votes

Demacia is boring in the same way Warhammer 40K's Imperium is boring. Yes, it's explicitly coded as the good guys of the setting, but that is because:

  1. There is a layer of "good-aligned" fantasy terms softening up the fact that they're dangerously close to being Nazi Germany.

  2. More than half of the other factions in the setting are such terrible assholes that they look good by comparison.

Once you actually consider Demacia's characters, what they actually have is more like:

Fiora Demacia's extremely conservative culture has essentially ruined her life, seeing as she had to sacrifice her entire personal life and focus on becoming the perfect duelist just to maintain the traditional view of noble houses as perfect unblemished things.

Garen His status as a cultural icon is easily defined by the saying "Kill one man and you become a murderer, kill a thousand and you become a hero". His biography has a quote "The most effective way to kill an opponent is to slice through the man next to him." attached, indicating that Garen's chivalry is usually punctuated by a healthy dose of slaughter.

Lux Was forced to become a secret agent and go through soul-crushing training because of that very same view of noble houses as perfect things where every member must perform a purpose for the crown. Has severe PTSD and is basically a dead-eyed lunatic hiding behind a cheerful facade.

Lucian and Vayne A pair of vengeful psychopaths only concerned with murdering undead and practitioners of dark magic regardless of the cost.

JarvanIV Solitary, secretive and kind of a jackass.

Quinn Effectively Demacia's Riven before the fall - a country bumpkin elevated to poster girl by her competence. Although she's always dreamed of knighthood, her own diary indicates that she has some doubts and reservations about Demacian nobility now that she's gotten personally acquainted with them.

Shyvana Essentially a noble savage - a monster adopted into the military because she's dangerous enough to be useful, not because she's good.

...so really, once you come down to it, the only good people in Demacia who don't have serious emotional issues are Xin Zhao and Galio.

Honestly, it sounds like what makes Demacia boring to you is that it lacks any sort of in-fighting, which I don't know why it should. It's basically set up to be an antagonist to every single evil or questionable member of the setting, which is... everyone except Ionia, Piltover and Bandle City.

Also, I really wouldn't want them to give Demacia some conflict in the same way they gave it to Bilgewater. Retconning Miss Fortune into an extremely generic Vengence McBroody just to force some conflict into the setting was the lamest part of the story. :/

aZombie487 votes

Agreed on most accounts. Except XinZhao and Galio too have emotional issues.

Before moving to Demacia, Xin Zhao was held captive in Noxus and subjected to the Fleshing; a gladiatorial spectacle where he would be pitted against increasingly large hoards of opponents until he was slain in battle. At that time, he was known as Viscero and was set to fight 300 opponents simultaneously. He and his opponents were personally rescued by King Jarvan II, and offered a spot in Demacia to get retribution for their torture. It would appear that he was recruited, like Shyvana for his usefulness and disgust of Noxus, not for his moral standing. (As an aside, Alistar was also subject to the Fleshing, but he was not one of the 300 saved)

Galio Failed in his mission to protect his creator, Durand, and was clearly left scarred. He stood towering over Durand's body as it withered into dust and it wasn't until he met Poppy that he went back to Demacia. Though arguably still pure of heart, he definitely bears his own emotional trauma.

DG Ashabel5 votes

Oh, I know they have emotional issues. What I'm saying is that they're only ones whose emotional issues do not interfere with their reading as good characters.

XinZhao was forced into a battle arena where he needed to kill or be killed, but the experience didn't compromise his personality and morals. He stood strong and remained tethered to his concept of nobility and honor despite the trauma.

Galio lost his master and reason to live, but he eventually managed to overcome it and find a new path in life without losing sight of loyalty and honor that sat at the core of his character.

They were tested by their experiences and came out stronger but unbroken. By comparison...

Garen didn't question his country's ideals at all and instead chipperly went on his way of slaughtering thousands of people for justice and glory, because that is apparently okay when they're Noxian scum or whoever else you designate villain of the month.

Lux completely broke from training and had to construct herself a new personality to function as a human being.

Fiora completely lost her own self in an effort to uphold her family's honor (though it might change because her story suffers from the usual Chapter 1-itis that a lot of Riot bios have).

Across Demacia, only Xin, Galio and Quinn had their goodness tested and came out stronger for it. Everyone else got the Imperium treatment of "It doesn't matter what emotional state you're in, so long as you still fight for the Emprah."

MrWasjig1 votes

What exactly do you mean by "Chapter 1-itis"? I've read over her lore and am still not sure what you mean, but curious.

DG Ashabel3 votes

I mean that most characters in the game have their story begin but not really end or go in any particular direction.

Ahri has developed a sense of compassion and now seeks to become a good person, but her actual efforts in that regard are TO BE CONTINUED.

Fiora's quest to restore her family's honor is TO BE CONTINUED.

Ashe became the chieftain of the Avarosa and set out to unite Freljord, TO BE CONTINUED.

Trundle found his frozen club and became a chieftain, TO BE CONTINUED.

In fact, Ashe and Trundle were completely retconned and their personalities butchered in the process because their old stories were deemed to be too complete by the current narrative team.

MrWasjig2 votes

Ah I see. Yeah, now you mention it I see what you mean. Damn a lot of champions have this problem.

AbrahamBaconham4 votes

Its a problem with the game's storytelling overall. The characters have to remain the same for gameplay purposes, which creates a very cliffhanger-based narrative. They can only have character and plot developement in bursts, like the Bilgewater event, or not at all, like in the Shurima event.

MrWasjig2 votes

This^ A lot of interesting characters but none of them go anywhere narrative-wise.

PapaGreg214 votes

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Demacia is boring in the same way Warhammer 40K's Imperium is boring. Yes, it's explicitly coded as the good guys of the setting, but that is because:

  1. There is a layer of "good-aligned" fantasy terms softening up the fact that they're dangerously close to being Nazi Germany.

  2. More than half of the other factions in the setting are such terrible assholes that they look good by comparison.

Once you actually consider Demacia's characters, what they actually have is more like:

Fiora Demacia's extremely conservative culture has essentially ruined her life, seeing as she had to sacrifice her entire personal life and focus on becoming the perfect duelist just to maintain the traditional view of noble houses as perfect unblemished things.

Garen His status as a cultural icon is easily defined by the saying "Kill one man and you become a murderer, kill a thousand and you become a hero". His biography has a quote "The most effective way to kill an opponent is to slice through the man next to him." attached, indicating that Garen's chivalry is usually punctuated by a healthy dose of slaughter.

Lux Was forced to become a secret agent and go through soul-crushing training because of that very same view of noble houses as perfect things where every member must perform a purpose for the crown. Has severe PTSD and is basically a dead-eyed lunatic hiding behind a cheerful facade.

Lucian and Vayne A pair of vengeful psychopaths only concerned with murdering undead and practitioners of dark magic regardless of the cost.

JarvanIV Solitary, secretive and kind of a jackass.

Quinn Effectively Demacia's Riven before the fall - a country bumpkin elevated to poster girl by her competence. Although she's always dreamed of knighthood, her own diary indicates that she has some doubts and reservations about Demacian nobility now that she's gotten personally acquainted with them.

Shyvana Essentially a noble savage - a monster adopted into the military because she's dangerous enough to be useful, not because she's good.

...so really, once you come down to it, the only good people in Demacia who don't have serious emotional issues are Xin Zhao and Galio.

Honestly, it sounds like what makes Demacia boring to you is that it lacks any sort of in-fighting, which I don't know why it should. It's basically set up to be an antagonist to every single evil or questionable member of the setting, which is... everyone except Ionia, Piltover and Bandle City.

Also, I really wouldn't want them to give Demacia some conflict in the same way they gave it to Bilgewater. Retconning Miss Fortune into an extremely generic Vengence McBroody just to force some conflict into the setting was the lamest part of the story. :/

The problem with Demacia is not as much that each character is boring or not as an individual but rather there is no conflict amongst themselves. Every good story has to have conflict and it seems that Demacia is the least likely place to find good stories in its current state.

DG Ashabel2 votes

Every good story has to have conflict, but Demacia itself isn't a self-contained story but a part of a larger world, and not all conflict is good conflict.

Like I pointed out, the Burning Tides was the absolute worst way to generate conflict. Retconning Miss Fortune into a super-generic Vengence McBroody whose event dialogue is so extremely generic that it could be easily swapped into Varus or Lucian without anyone noticing was total schlock and ruined a perfectly good event.

Dextix LT2 votes

For the emperor.

GreenLore2 votes

What makes J4 a jackass? The whole "he attacked swain in kalamanda"-thing was probably manipulated by the black rose.(not sure if that is still canon or not,but sions promo page did mention a "charade" involving J4s blood)

DarkSunSovereign1 votes

In that image where he attacked Swain, you can see LeBlanc's reflection in Swain's chestplate, implying she's taking the form of J4. And yeah, that's not canon anymore.

GreenLore2 votes

Yeah,but the Sion promo implies that something like this still happened at one point(its easily possible that the kalamanda incident still happened,just that they battled it out)

DG Ashabel1 votes

I parse J4 as a jackass because from what we've seen of him in the old lore so far, he is incredibly shady. He basically handles every situation the way he wants and doesn't show any concern for how others feel about it.

Shyvana idolizes him, but there are fairly strong implications in her lore that he brought her in as easy firepower.

Quinn's diary indicates that he's completely dismissive of Garen whenever it suits him.

He's willing to work with Noxians like Talon and Katarina if it helps him reach his goal.

His fighting style is described as incredibly violent.

People theorized that it's actually because J4 is LeBlanc masquerading as him, but the old narrative team outright said that was not the case. Which means Jarvan either had always been that way and his monster-hunting adventure brought out his darker streaks, or something out there broke him in ways we don't understand yet.

The bottom line is that he's way more morally gray, I'll even say more amoral than other Demacians, which is distressing once you consider that he's the crown prince with heavy involvement in politics. He actually is the Emprah.

And honestly, if Demacia's ruler is like that, then how can we expect its status as the nation of squeaky-clean goodness to be anything more than a thin layer of gloss on the surface?

Merxamers2 votes

so he's a jackass, in your opinion, because he:

  1. Recruited a half-dragon instead of ignoring or killing her
  2. Doesn't devote every waking moment idolizing Garen
  3. Is willing to cooperate with rivals to mutually beneficial ends
  4. Is violent when he fights (?!?!)

I'm not really sure what you want from J4; it seems like you're trying REALLY hard to make him morally gray by twisting everything he's done into its most negative possible interpretation. To call him amoral, or a jackass, is a huge stretch. Pragmatic? Certainly. 'Morally gray'? Maybe, but certainly not for the reasons you listed.

DG Ashabel2 votes

Right now, I would mostly prefer if you didn't twist my words into something they didn't mean.

  1. I made it pretty clear why him recruiting Shyvana is amoral. He recruited her because he wants easy firepower, not because he cares about her as a person. That's honestly not far off from ignoring her.

  2. How did you even take "completely dismissive of the Commander of the Dauntless Vanguard and therefore one of the most important voices in his military" and warp it into "Doesn't devote every waking moment idolizing Garen"? There is a difference between idolizing and paying attention to your political advisers.

  3. Katarina and Talon are not "rivals," they are everything Demacia stands against - anarchistic and honorless killers. Yes, him cooperating with them is a pretty big deal lore-wise, and is actually mentioned as completely unprecedented within the story. He's effectively willing to dismiss his nation's ideals for the sake of getting where he wants, which is amoral.

  4. Have you read Jarvan's League Judgment? The one time we show him fighting, he goes completely berserk and attempts to rip Swain's head off with his bare hands. The thing isn't that he's simply violent, it's that his combat presence is described as that of a bloodthirsty monster. That, once again, doesn't code as "good". Or particularly moral for that matter.

GreenLore2 votes

1.Thats however what you assume.Shyvanas lore makes it sound like it was at least partly out of gratitude for her help.

2.And how was he completely dismissve?Quinn pointed out some valid problems with the assumptions that it was Talon who did the assassination and Jarvan listened to her and gave her the chance to prove her theory herself He did not dismiss garens opinion either,since Garens unit still went to the place where they thought they would find evidence.

3.The thing is that demacia&noxus,were played for fools in this war and that Katarina and Talon were geniunly trying to help to prevent any unnecessary bloodshed.Jarvan did what he had to do to prevent unnecessary bloodshed.J4 didn't do what was expected of him because he knew it would lead only to a pointless war,which would be even worse for his nation,so I dunno how that is amoral.

4.You want to blame him that he fights ferociously when his life is threatened?In a battle where your opponent is about to kill you,you have no time to spare,if you show mercy then you're probably gonna be killed. Also he didn't want to rip swains head off,he was strangling swain,because he didn't had much energy left and swains ravens were picking away his body. He did try to remove swains head at the beginning of the fight,which simply makes sense,I mean swain can regenerate by feeding of J4s life force,so he was in the dire need to end this fight as quickly as possible.

In the end I am not saying that Jarvan is a saint,but calling him a jackass for these things seems kind of over the top.

LordGeovanni1 votes

KiIlled my dad thanks ill join your army now

Ralanr2 votes

Killed the dragon that killed her dad. Who was also a dragon.

Merxamers2 votes

I wasn't trying to twist your words, but i don't think my points were invalid responses to your own. The main source of my annoyance at this line of thinking (beyond calling him a 'jackass') is this repeated pattern of playing 'gotcha' with characters who would align 'Lawful Good' if this were D&D, namely Demacia. J4 recruited a half dragon? He must have had ulterior motives! The end of his fight with Swain got brutal? What a violent hypocrite!

Jarvan is the heir to a militaristic nation beset on all sides by void monsters, killer ghosts, and a long-established rival power waiting for the slightest weakness to take advantage of. It makes perfect sense within the story that Jarvan 4 would have a violent side to his nature, and while he likely did consider the benefit of having the power of a half-dragon at his side when he recruited Shyvana, that doesn't exclude the positive reasons he asked her to join him. Pragmatic thinking doesn't make him the fascist, manipulative 'jackass' some here are claiming him to be.

From the lore I've read, Jarvan 4 is a better leader than anyone else is in Runeterra. He listens to his advisers and treats them with respect, no matter where they came from (Quinn), has great acceptance towards other races (Shyvana, Xin Zhao), and doesn't eliminate or assassinate his political rivals. He has demonstrated violence before, but there is such a thing as "righteous fury".

Violence of any kind, by the highest standard, isn't moral, but piling onto Jarvan 4 about it is nonsensical. No, he's not a perfect person, but that's because he's a human being. As a member of the world of League of Legends, he has to blend righteousness with practicality; but the important thing to remember is when it comes down to it, Jarvan will do the right thing.

Matezoide26 votes

{quoted} champions are just kissing up to Jarvan like it's their Job.

It is.

Scrimshäw17 votes

anyone who thinks for themselves in demacia gets like, executed.

it's actually very much like the boards come to think of it

Gorgannan6 votes

Uh, I think that's a bit of a stretch :P Criminals are punished harshly, but thinking for yourself isn't a crime. Vayne is an anti-thesis to the rest of Demacia, but she's still good.

Just a little scary.

PonderousSealion9 votes

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anyone who thinks for themselves in demacia gets like, executed.

it's actually very much like the boards come to think of it

Savage, but not inaccurate.

"Hey guys, i think the Janna nerfs were justified!

Wh-what are you doing with that crucifix? And those nails? C'mon guys, it's just my honest opinion... She does have a 54% win rate and a pretty high pick ra-"

.......................................

Ralanr13 votes

Lack of exposure in my opinion.

Yes Demacia really is boring. Quinn, Fiora, and Galio are the only ones I like.

And no one remembers Galio.

PapaGreg213 votes

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Lack of exposure in my opinion.

Yes Demacia really is boring. Quinn, Fiora, and Galio are the only ones I like.

And no one remembers Galio.

They need to drastically shake things up in that part of the world. Bilgewater was already pretty wild before the event and now it seems just utter chaos. In Demacia the big conflict is that Garen might have a crush on Katarina.

Ralanr7 votes

While I agree, I think other factions could use some exposure.

Like Mt.Targon.

A civil war in Demacia would be interesting.

PapaGreg212 votes

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While I agree, I think other factions could use some exposure.

Like Mt.Targon.

A civil war in Demacia would be interesting.

Mt. Targon is almost as boring as Demacia. At least they have Diana there who makes the landscape a little different but still doesn't seem to cause half the conflict that somebody like Jinx does. I wouldn't mind seeing her build a moon worshiping group to conflict with the Solari like Zed did with the Shadow ninjas though.

Ralanr6 votes

And it has much fewer champions than Demacia.

It really needs the exposure.

LICENSED HOOKER7 votes

And no one remembers Galio

"Bish please, get in line" Yorick

gubigubi8 votes

I think Demacia is very fine how it is right now. Every city/state has its own personalty and most of my fav characters come from Demacia. I don't think Demacia is boring ):

Also Demacia isn't the "Good" people and Noxus isn't really the "Bad" people at least from my understanding of it. They both have different values and beliefs how their cultures should work and Noxus just happens to run toward the slightly more dark side of the spectrum.

KoKoboto7 votes

wow peaceful is boring violent tomato

FirexSaber7 votes

I don't see why everyone thinks that a character (or characters) being good can't lead to anything interesting. There's tons of conflict that can come from being good- for instance, putting Demacia in situations where it's hard to see what IS good. Maybe there's situations where you can pit lawful versus good. Have characters have internal conflict where they wonder if what they're doing is right. I think that would be a better direction to go for than the champions in Demacia suddenly becoming grey and gritty. Grey and gritty is /tiresome/. It's just as common as good vs evil tropes now, if not more so since everyone wants to be edgy these days. We already have Bilgewater, Zaun, Piltover, as a source of grey characters. Noxus too even.

I'm afraid that suddenly Demacia is just going to be turned into some tyrannical dictatorship all in the name of being 'grey', when it doesn't fit the theme of so many of the already established characters. Honestly, I think it's lazy writing if Riot can't make good interesting.

Baron of Bread6 votes

Demacia is kind of already a military/monarchical dictatorship.

I think to make it more interesting we probably need to see more than just the nobility in Demacia. We haven't gotten any in-depth look at the non-nobility, and for nobility we don't know a whole lot either. We just need to know more about Demacia than that they like to distribute/enforce their ideal of JUSTICE.

Gorgannan2 votes

That's because it's the job of the nobility to protect the innocent and shoulder the burden. With no hardships, you can't have strengths. I imagine the average Demacian is just a cheesemonger or tailor with no skills in fighting because Garen and Xin are worth 1000 normal fighers.

Vayne, I guess, but even she was raised rich. Quinn maybe?

Ralanr3 votes

To be Lawful or Good seems like the perfect struggle for Garen at the very least.

And Kayle but she's got a lawful stick up her ass. Garen does to, but I think Katarina is slowly removing it.

Merxamers2 votes

just read the responses to this- everyone on the boards ALREADY thinks Demacia is gray, gritty, and fascist. If anything, it would be subversive to have the lawful good nation NOT be a fascist dictatorship.

People seem to forgot that the plot twists of "You see, the 'good' nation isn't so good after all! WHAT A TWIST!" and "You see, the 'bad' nation who's featured as the villainous horde whenever one is needed ISN'T actually all bad! WHAT A TWIST!" aren't actually that original after all.

Wheatloaf5 votes

Let's face it, justice is only actually exciting when it's not really justice.

Nahara5 votes

I don't think a shaking up is what Demacia needs. What Demacia needs is a fleshing out (and maybe a slight re-imagining, depending on how old some pieces of information on it are).

Look at how places like the Freljord and Shurima and Bilgewater transformed from what we saw originally to something a lot more unique and interesting than what they originally were after a healthy dosage of fleshing out.

Demacia could most certainly use something like that, a heavy pass-over by the lore team to transform it from what it currently is to something greater to better fit into the new lore and the world at large.

Gorgannan3 votes

I actually feel that Demacia is more interesting. You see these crazy weirdos in Noxus and think "oh, another, great."

Demacia has plenty of interesting stuff. I'm fascinated by Vayne. She hunts evil, but she does it locally in Demacia. In Noxus, that stuff is praised. In Demacia, it is not. They're putting themselves more at risk because Demacia is less ok with it, for a potentially higher payout. Witches kill Vayne's parents? Political secrets and scandal? (Kalamanda.)

I honestly think Demacia is the most interesting faction. Noxus is cooler, but it's almost predictable with the "everyone is completely unique and crazy."

IMMENSE COURAGE3 votes

Demacia just needs a lore event. Since the whole League retcon happened, pretty much every character in the faction besides maybe Garen is in need of some fleshing out (especially Shyvana , what's her deal?). As for the infighting... I don't really think it's needed for Demacia when they have a polar opposite enemy like Noxus to oppose. I'd really, really, love to see a Demacia v Noxus lore event, especially now that the League of Legends as an entity (and it's prevention of any large-scale warfare) is abolished.

SEKAI2 votes

Why is Demacia so Boring?

Because clearly Noxus, Zoan and other batshiet insane nations are the places to be eh? Murica/some people are just programmed to worship anarchy, that's why.

Anarchy is only interesting to read about, and not to actually live in. If you think otherwise then by all means, please buy yourself a plane ticket and go to an uncivilised tribe somewhere (hell even most of them know the value of rule and order).

The end of all spectrums is always bad, that's for sure. But saying XXX country is "boring" for being goodie 2 shoes is just wrong, because you don't wanna live in the war zone or some random nation that's like Nazi on steroids trust me.

Demacia is bad for being stupid and ignorant, Noxus is bad for being braindead and backwards, same with almost all other nations on Runeterra, they all have their problems to share.

Ionia is probably the best place in LoL, they don't go out of their ways to run over people which is always nice.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

personally i don't like Demacia.Noxus will rise Darius.I dont like it since it just feels like they are forced purely to be the "good" faction.i like noxus since you have some very cool characters like Talon Darius Katarina and to a small extended Cassiopeia while the only thing Demacia has is Quinn and Lux. i only like Lux from her judgment and how it seemed like she truly did not want to be part of the ranks of Demacia since she was forced to unlike her brother Garen who just accepted it.Quinn is trying to live out the dream her brother and her had.but i ship Talon with Quinn and Lux at the same time.... dat love triangle

Gorgannan5 votes

I like them both equally. I love Demacia for what it is, and Noxus for what it produces. Darius is one of the most realistically tragic characters. Everything he ever did he did for Draven, who grew up a spoiled piece of shit. He's basically Red Foreman with an axe.

I like the mystery behind the Demacian royalty, and the uniformity. The unique people stand out much more surrounded by identical champions. I really want to see the underbelly of Demacia. Vayne's parents were murdered by a witch. Why would an evil witch live there and live in fear of being found out, when she could go to Noxus and be praised for her strengths?

Shield Villain2 votes

Quinn killed Du Couteau, it's pretty delusional to believe he would just forgive her and fall for her. I mean, why would he do that? The only person he ever respected was murdered and you think he'll just say "Oh well." and forget about him? Du Couteau essentially adopted Talon and made his life better, Talon realizes this, and holds great respect for him. If he ever got close enough to Quinn, you could bet your ass she'd be found dead in a ditch somewhere. He's really not the sort of guy who would forgive.

CasterGilgamesh6 votes

where did you hear that quin killed Du Couteau?

Audiomancy1 votes

I kinda feel like Demacia is pretty bad as far as factions go. I mean sure, they have the whole 'honor and justice' thing but nobody has any kind of freedom. At least in Noxus even a nobody like Swain can achieve greatness, while Demacia puts a lot of focus on rank and nobility.

Having said that, Bandle City is still the best faction. Yourdles for life bro. Veigar Lulu Tristana Ziggs Heimerdinger Rumble Poppy Kennen

GreenLore2 votes

Well they both have their pros and cons. In Demacia you might not be able to rise in rank that much unless you are of noble blood. But at least demacia somewhat cares for the weak,while noxus just lets them die.

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