No matter how much I try to shake it, I can't get rid of this "Frienemy" feel from Kayn and Rhaast.

Blade of Justic··37 votes·2,315 views

Even though they are trying to get rid of one another, I wouldn't be so surprised if canonically, they start to like each other and work to help one another instead of hurt them to become a single death-bringing assassin-zerker.

Am I alone in this feeling?

43 Comments

Fasmodey25 votes

Nah, It is not always bunnies, flowers and rainbows among paradise that shine at their purest form. Rhaast is undeniably evil, he sees nothing but ''crush and burn''. Rhaast having tsundere style relationship with Kayn would just make him less evil. ''Baka! It is not like I like you or something...''.

Kayn doesn't give a fuck about Rhaast, he just wants to have power. He would prefer Rhaast dead than having a potential murderer of him.

Also, Riot already has confirmed that one of them is going to die in the future.

Big Lincoln4 votes

hope it's kayn

kayn sucks

Jet Sett6 votes

I can see Rhaast winning. Kayn is certainly impressive with his mental fortitude and martial prowess, but Rhaast is an immortal being that's existed far longer than most Runeterrans, so it wouldn't surprise me if he's met other people of Kayn's caliber before.

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

Do you want Ashe to die?!

Big Lincoln3 votes

well i want kayn to die, rhaast is cooler

but yeah ashe dying would be pretty choice

Chromatic Eagle1 votes

You son of a bitch.

GGLineaR1 votes

Kayn is trash tier boy.

Rhaast is a good boy.

KnifeCat3 votes

Why? we already have a champion where the Darkin won (Aatrox).. So Kayn should win. Besides, Rhaast is hardly cooler.

Big Lincoln10 votes

rhaast is way cooler

Mhihnj1 votes

i would say rhaast is hotter

GGLineaR1 votes

Rhaast is less annoying. Kayn is too edgy. He's like a hot topic teen.

Rhaast is at least a little doofy.

some degenerate2 votes

Rhaast is definitely cooler but I feel that Kayn has so much more going for him, lore -wise.

If Rhaast wins - he'll try to team up with Aatrox and the other remaining darkin so that they can continue to from where they left off on their genocidal apocalypse event. And it'll take place/start in Noxus. Not really something that we need in the lore IMO, especially when apocalyptic invasions are the Void's gig. And chances are he and the other Darkin will be stopped or imprisoned again, eventually.

If Kayn wins - we get more information about his past as a Noxian child soldier, more information about the Order of Shadows and how they function, some more information and development on his relationship with Zed, the possibilities of him becoming the next clan leader, explanations for him hunting down Ashe or why he's venturing into the Freljord to begin with and etc etc.

Big Lincoln2 votes

yeah but if we get more Darkin we could get them as like, the Pillar Men of league

and that's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kayn tbh

ShadowParker7 votes

Where did riot confirm that one will die in the future?

Azteryz2 votes

exactly

pre transformation they might seem indifferent to eachother but post transformation they just talk bare shit about the other

shadow assassin: i have destroyed the darkin

Rhaast: that fool kayn is no more, idiot!

Stars Shaper10 votes

Kayn "I'll let you go and you will die!" https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/2/2e/RhaastSquare.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/48?cb=20170628102344 "And you... will lose."

This is probably the best expression of their relationship.

Blade of Justic3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=L2431bul,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-07-24T20:39:07.723+0000)

Kayn "I'll let you go and you will die!" https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/2/2e/RhaastSquare.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/48?cb=20170628102344 "And you... will lose."

This is probably the best expression of their relationship.

But that's what I'm saying.

They both want so much to best the other, but they also seem so much alike that if (impossibly) they combined their strengths, they would both be a force to be reckoned with.

I'm not saying that they'd ever get along, but I'm hard pressed to believe that neither of them is benefiting from the other.

Stars Shaper11 votes

It's a lot less about being pals than what you think and it's actually pretty dark.

What Kayn gets from Rhaast is relentless power, what Rhaast gains from Kayn is a body to feed him. Each time Kayn gets a bit more of power, Rhaast fuels his bloodlust so that he can break his chains.

In the end (it doesn't even matter), one will consume the other and achieve their objective. It's a twisted symbiotic relationship where one knows that cannot abandon the other and thus they focus on gaining as much power as possible.

GGLineaR1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=L2431bul,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T21:18:33.747+0000)

It's a lot less about being pals than what you think

We know that, just let us have our stupid anime trope, dammit. lol

JuhnChan10 votes

I always thought that each of them was confident that they would overpower the other. The banter they have with each other in the meantime is a testament to that confidence.

Chembaron Yamada9 votes

They definitely feel like buddies if you listen to them in the game. Accepting that just one of them will be able to exist in the end and they have to kill each other to survive, but in a different world without that rule, they would definitely be friends.

Gives the whole theme a bittersweet taste. They seem to enjoy themselves so much when they are together. I would have liked if they had introduced some small hints that the surviving one is missing the other who used to be at his side, feeling lonely.

Ralanr1 votes

They don't talk much at all when I play them. Disappointing.

GGLineaR1 votes

{quoted} I would have liked if they had introduced some small hints that the surviving one is missing the other who used to be at his side, feeling lonely.

Not gonna lie, I was super bummed out when I learned that there's no mention of the other after you morph.

Also, missed opportunity in the lore to have Rhaast trap Kayn in the scythe. That woulda been kinda funny, even if it makes no sense.

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

I would have liked something like when Rhaast killed someone he says "Hahahaha, did you see that Kayn? That was so eas-..... oh, right....."

Just to show that he didn't even notice how he enjoyed having someone at his side while murdering people. ^^

Kloqdq4 votes

It's the feel where you just kind of don't want either to die because both are empty shells without the other. Kayn wants power, Rhaast wants destruction. They just don't feel complete alone.

Narasimha3 votes

They're most certainly not going down that path. Kayn is using Rhaast, and Rhaast wants to devour Kayn. And they both know it. Give either of them half a chance, and they'd tear away the other if they could. Necessity is all that binds them together.

GrReaper963 votes

'Cause we're Frenemies We like disliking one another Yes we're frenemies He's like my least favorite brother You and I, we're not enemies or friends We're just Frenemies until the end

Samura Yukisuna2 votes

They have very similar personalities. I experienced once during play that they both shouted "Yes!" Right after each other, clearly aligned in their actions.

As such, i cant picture them coexisting. Too much alike.

Horidas2 votes

I really get that feeling from Khazix and Rengar . They're both the only fitting opponents to one another. I really have a feeling that they'll keep being unable to kill one another partially due to the fact they might not have anything to do once they become victorious.

SolarisCorvus4 votes

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I really get that feeling from Khazix and Rengar . They're both the only fitting opponents to one another. I really have a feeling that they'll keep being unable to kill one another partially due to the fact they might not have anything to do once they become victorious.

I doubt they would not eventually kill each other. Kha is a void being which means he is driven by a singke minded goal. Kha would most definitely try and consume rengar. Rengar on the other hand would still kill kha but at the most would feel that no other hunt would be quite as good.

SolarisCorvus2 votes

The thing is that they are basically the same person personality wise. Both want to surpass their superior, both extremely good at what they do and they embrace that fact and both of them thinks the other Is just a bump in their path actualizing their goal. The issue is that because they are so very similar but have different plans they cannot coexist, they both seek to dominate eachother and bend the other to their will. Rhaast absolutely hates kayn and sees him as nothing more tham a frail mortal who worries too much about who he is killing and wastes his skill on using them to further his plans. Kayn sees rhaast as an extremely arrogant tool that Kayn knows he can master for at the end of the day rhasst is just a weapon like everyother weapon kayn has mastered. Neither of them will be able to coexist because they desire such different plans so strongly and believe themselves to be the true master while viewing the other as something in their way.

Fefnil2 votes

Actually, of the three Darkin, we have Aatrox who already took possession of his host, Rhaast that's fighting with/against Kayn, and the Darkin Bow that's still the only one sleeping (until a likely Varus VU where we get to know who the Darkin now). So, as far as we now, the Bow is the one who's "happy" to share his power and maybe decided to live together within Varus, instead of controlling him. Or maybe the Bow was actually already defeated by Varus, and his Darkin pants are actually a manifestation of his "final form".

Or maybe it's just because Riot decided last month that the Bow would be a Darkin.

Sraeg20131 votes

So, as far as we now, the Bow is the one who's "happy" to share his power and maybe decided to live together within Varus, instead of controlling him. Or maybe the Bow was actually already defeated by Varus, and his Darkin pants are actually a manifestation of his "final form".

If Varus won he wouldn't have those pants as he'd be the one controlling the Darkin. My theory (and one that I'm sure was around for a long time) is that his necklace is stopping or heavily impeding Darkin's influence on Varus and possibly also blocking or diminishing any form of communication which gives the false sense of Darkin being dormant.

Or maybe it's just because Riot decided last month that the Bow would be a Darkin.

I'm sure they haven't decided that before Varus' release.

Fefnil1 votes

Well, we still don't know exactly what defeating the Darkin gives. Sure, it gives the host all of the Darkin's power, but in what form? Kayn becomes a Shadow Assassin, but it's because he fuses the power of Rhaast with the power of the Shadows that he owns. But Varus? In his current lore, he was just an archer. The best archer in Runeterra, but still just an archer. That's why I think, if the theory is right, he could just have taken some Darkin features, since he didn't have a base power to enhance. Now, after the retcon Varus's appearance could be completely different, so it's all fluff. On the other hand, the necklace theory is actually a good, since it looks like an important item for him. Of course, it could just be a plain memento from his home, but still. But anyway, until a VU happens, there's no reason to indulge too much. There's so little now, old lore didn't include the Darkin twist (as far as we know), so we pretty much have nothing about him.

Sraeg20132 votes

Well, the Corruption (or however it was called, excuse my lack of remembrance) was contained in whatever vessel was used at the temple. His necklace could be made out of the same material.

Now, all of that is basically meaningless anyway because the Narrative has no qualms about, for example, making Leona a nazi and Diana an angsty teenager.

Sraeg20132 votes
KoKoboto1 votes

SOUL EATER VIBEEEEEEEEEES

Dataless1 votes

No, I do not get that vibe.

They are both murderers and want nothing more than to be rid of the other.

Placentas1 votes

I think it's them admiring one another's strengths.

Bouncemaster Zac1 votes

They have banter, as any two people who are stuck together would. It helps they have a similarly dark sense of humor. That said, they pretty definitively don't like each other.

Darius Strada1 votes

damn. no i gotta find rule34 KaynxRhaast

MasqureMan1 votes

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Even though they are trying to get rid of one another, I wouldn't be so surprised if canonically, they start to like each other and work to help one another instead of hurt them to become a single death-bringing assassin-zerker.

Am I alone in this feeling?

I think the tvtropes analysis is pretty accurate: they're both so confident that they'll succeed that they don't really hate each other so much as view the other as a temporary nuisance.

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