someone help me out here, if his abilitys mean anything then he can create dark matter, a event horizon which leads on to mean he can create black holes, and if lazy research isnt wrong his ult (primodrial burst) can manipulate if not entirely controll the powers of creation itself (please correct me if im wrong)
dosent that mean the tiny master of evil has power compairible to a actual god of creation? (
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again please correct me if im wrong here
Warlord Dienekes3 votesVeigar is as strong as the writers say he is. Really analyzing anything is kind of a moot point until we get some tangible data.
I've heard arguments claiming that he is actually stronger than Sol, because he can corrupt what Sol can make. But honestly, I think that argument is a bit silly.
Yes creating dark matter and black holes sounds very, very impressive. But, I would use as a counter-example The Blob from Marvel comics. In (admittedly only one version) of the comics he actually can control gravity, which is an amazing fantastical ability. But he can only control the gravity of things within 10 feet of him, to make them mildly more likely to feel drawn to him, on the whole, not all that impressive. Veigar could be the same way, a power that sounds unbelievably impressive in broad strokes, but is really very limited in practice.
Or he may be strong enough to destroy all of Runeterra. We won't know until Riot says so.
Personally, since I prefer a lower power ceiling, since once you get to planet destroyers the setting just starts to get ridiculous, I'm hoping he's more limited. But, Riot has shown to quite like the type of characters I don't, especially recently. So, who knows, he may be Veigar, Destroy of Solar Systems come his lore re-write.
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Veigar is as strong as the writers say he is. Really analyzing anything is kind of a moot point until we get some tangible data.
I've heard arguments claiming that he is actually stronger than Sol, because he can corrupt what Sol can make. But honestly, I think that argument is a bit silly.
Yes creating dark matter and black holes sounds very, very impressive. But, I would use as a counter-example The Blob from Marvel comics. In (admittedly only one version) of the comics he actually can control gravity, which is an amazing fantastical ability. But he can only control the gravity of things within 10 feet of him, to make them mildly more likely to feel drawn to him, on the whole, not all that impressive. Veigar could be the same way, a power that sounds unbelievably impressive in broad strokes, but is really very limited in practice.
Or he may be strong enough to destroy all of Runeterra. We won't know until Riot says so.
Personally, since I prefer a lower power ceiling, since once you get to planet destroyers the setting just starts to get ridiculous, I'm hoping he's more limited. But, Riot has shown to quite like the type of characters I don't, especially recently. So, who knows, he may be Veigar, Destroy of Solar Systems come his lore re-write.
I agree.
Your magic type doesn't matter that much until you reach to max potential.
Let's compare water magic and reality warping magic.
While both are in their max potential, reality warping is one of the most powerful magic type (high chancely the most powerful) in all of fantasy universe. You become literally god. Other then, even while water magic is pretty powerful, it is not that oppressive compare to reality warping magic.
But a water mage who can lift entire oceans with only a basic hand move is probably more impressive than someone who can manipulate only a small part of reality (like changing water to blood, turning low entities to stone etc.)
It is all about your control and potential on your magic type.
Look at Xerath, he is most probably much better than any human mage on any magic type.
Look at Brand, an entity who survived from attack of 2 Ascendants. Brand uses the same magic type with Annie, but which one is clearly stronger even though Annie is young? Everyone knows the answer.
Clearly, it is all about control and potential, your limits.
But when I come to Veigar, I would say his powers grows more and more with days. Currently he is probably an equal to Syndra.
JayHog19921 votesMy theory is that he has nearly unlimited power, nearly to outmatch Sol, but doesn't know how to use it. And the power he uses in the Rift are like an extent of his powers overall.
Narasimha1 votesChances are much more likely that he can corrupt a very very very small amount of cosmic energy, and then embellishes the hell out of it. I mean, if he could actually create Dark Matter or Event Horizons, Runeterra would long be nonexistant.
Decrit1 votesI think he is the most powerful mage of all Valoran.
I mean, his passive tooltip says so!
About what his magic is base don, i won't count too much into that - the spell event orizon does not resemble a black hole and probably is just a badass name, while the nature of his spells can' t say much about him either. He just kinda corrupts here and there, but we don' t know actually how much. He is able to create a corrupted Sol out of thin air? Maybe. Or maybe not but he goes close!
rubberduckie6661 votesI think he is the most powerful mage of all Valoran.
I mean, his passive tooltip says so!
About what his magic is base don, i won't count too much into that - the spell event orizon does not resemble a black hole and probably is just a badass name, while the nature of his spells can' t say much about him either. He just kinda corrupts here and there, but we don' t know actually how much. He is able to create a corrupted Sol out of thin air? Maybe. Or maybe not but he goes close!
well the event horizon would be nearly impossible for ritos spagetti code if it was animated the way it would actually look so thats really just a limit of the game. i mean mass effect makes it work, granted its a compleatly diffrent game
Decrit1 votesspaghetti code has no meaning here :) maybe because the champion is old, but in the case i doubt a black hole would only stun an enemy, don' t you think?
rubberduckie6661 votesspaghetti code has no meaning here :) maybe because the champion is old, but in the case i doubt a black hole would only stun an enemy, don' t you think?
i dont think a star (or even all small galaxy ofr that matter) would do just a bit of damage dont you think? not to mention i cant immagen that for a super powerful mage like veigar creating a event horizon without a blackhole wouldnt be impossible (and i mean suddenly going into a event horizon would fuck with your senses so much it think a flat instant stun like that would make sense)
but what i ment was making the effect for a actual event horizon in game would be incredibly hard for rito and their spagetti code not to mention it would mess with clarity in game
Decrit1 votesyou missed my point: even if the meteor does not instakill the enemy, it deals damage. because it' s a meteor that slams on your face, it' s not dangerous as if the champions were hit by a meteor but by game standards it deals heavy damage. That is more than enough to convey the message "Veigar summons meteors that wreck your face".
rubberduckie6661 votesyou missed my point: even if the meteor does not instakill the enemy, it deals damage. because it' s a meteor that slams on your face, it' s not dangerous as if the champions were hit by a meteor but by game standards it deals heavy damage. That is more than enough to convey the message "Veigar summons meteors that wreck your face".
you also missed my point... in game it would be impossible for rito and their spaggeti code to animate a event horizon hence the reason it looks like a box insted of a actual event horizon. a cage that you cant leave is easier for clarity and development wise, not to mention that would start to melt some peoples old as hell potatos they run leauge on if it was animated to look like the real thing
Decrit1 votes...but i just said that it is not the case. really, even with the 2008 client they could be able to animate an intrusive black hole. Even a crappy version of Viktor' s ult would be fine.
Dude, stop talking about stuff that you don' t know and that you refer to constantly just because it' s the only thing you know.
GreenLore2 votesWell at least the star looks like a star.
But veigars event horizon doesn't look like anything black hole related,thus it is likely that it is just a cool name(and it would be totally in character for veigar to give his attacks cool sounding names that have barely anything to do with the attack itself)
Decrit1 votesI also think that would be in character for Veigar to have an iperbombastic passive that does not really reflect reality ;) But the tooltip says "really is" so...
GreenLore1 votesOverall I think veigars story will pretty much go similar to how he is presented ingame: At first his power won't be that strong,but over time he'll actually become really powerful and a credible threat.
Bøneless Pizza1 votesBelieve me 
is super strong if y know to play!
Ebonmaw Dragon1 votesI will let Veigar answer this question:
Sona Ping1 votesHe doesn't actually do those things.
Take Event Horizon, it's clearly a cage. One that is sometimes made of Christmas Trees. Veigar just has a love of astronomy.
LordHippoman1 votesVeigar is legitimately an incredibly powerful mage. I wouldn't take the names of his abilities quite so literally ("Cataclysm" doesn't end any worlds, the Sun doesn't actually move everytime Leona casts "Eclipse"), but he's definitely up there in strength.
The problem is that he's too much of a bumbling dork to really like...use it. He instead prefers these incredibly complicated plans, (See the JoJ), like stealing a factory load of balloons and strapping them to something so he can fly away with it. Veigar is a bumbling cartoon villain, and it's wonderful.
TBakes1 votesIt has already been expressed here, but I figured I would chime in and say that we only know how powerful a champion is by what they have actually done. Just because Nasus is a large jackal-man has no bearing on how powerful he is. We only know his powers of wisdom, withering, extended life, etc. from reading what he has actually done it the lore.
For Veigar, what has he actually done. Sure, he might have the potential to manipulate gravitational/cosmic/astral energy and matter and space, but unless he actually does it it is kind of insignificant what he may or may not be able to do at some point in time. When comparing him to Aurlelion Sol, I think the important part to consider is that you can tell from Sol's demeanor and story that he actually travels throughout the universe and actually builds stars at will and actually has an immense amount of power. I can't say the same for Veigar.
Good question though! I feel like people as these types of questions all the time, and it generates nice LoL discussions 