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@Riot, why do Riven and Yasuo get a special event?

CaptainAntiHeroz··7 votes·1,599 views

If you're not sure what I mean I'm referring to Dawnbringer vs Nightbringer order vs chaos event, and I ask because a few reasons. The primary reason being 1 I thought the event was nice and gave them both much needed legendary skins, and 2 because there are so many rivals in the league that still don't even have interactions (and I'm looking at Leona and Diana, and Kayle and Morgana in particular). So I'm curious as to whether Riot will continue with more Nightbringer vs Dawnbringer skins that give life to these rivalries that exist, or if they're just gonna ignore them. Shen and Zed both say stuff to each other and it feels kinda like Leona and Diana and Morgana and Kayle are just background and don't fit anywhere. So Rito pls if you're gonna go hard with the battlecast stuff, (nice job on that illaoi skin btw) then why not give some nice ultimate skins for those champions. Even Vayne vs Eve or Jayce vs Jinx or Shen vs Zed (although I think Leona and Diana not only fit the criteria for the theme but also need ultimate skins...) Would all be nice to see.

36 Comments

Wrathof3009 votes

There is potential to see more Nightbringer and Dawnbringer skins in the future, but not in the sense which you are referring to them. The event was officially called the 'Versus Event' iirc, meaning future events involving rival champs receiving 1820 skins, do not also have to be Dawnbringer and Nightbringer skins.

I would love to see more Versus Events though, it is a nice way for Riot to make champion rivalries known to the larger community, and boost those champions' popularity.

GreenLore4 votes

They are 2 very popular champions with rather dedicated playerbases so giving these 2 legendary skins was a nobrainer,which is most likely why they were chosen to get dual-legendaries.

Kayle for example has already a legendary in the shop and nowadays they avoid giving champs a second legendary skin if they already have one thats still avaliable(currently the only champ with 2 legendaries that are both not legacy/limited is cho'gath and his legendaries are rather old).

Also I'm pretty sure that if they make another dual-legendary-release they'll use different themes that time around.

Ebonmaw Dragon2 votes

Its not like its canon in the main lore, Riot could make a Dawnbringer Tristana Skin vs a Nightbringer Fiora event if they wanted to, even if they are not rivals.

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

Yasuos elder was killed by a wind blade, Riven is a wind blade and happened to be part of noxus' invasion of Ionia.

Ebonmaw Dragon2 votes

{quoted}

Yasuos elder was killed by a wind blade, Riven is a wind blade and happened to be part of noxus' invasion of Ionia.

Yeah, but the skins are not canon. That is the point.

GenoXx1 votes

Riven was also in an entire different place during the war

Valor Bot2 votes

Because Riot believes in creating content that has the most player value. Out of all the potential VS. events, Riven and Yasuo had the most player value because of how popular they are in the community. It's sad for those of us who are fans of the more obscure champs (I'd love a Quinn vs. Talon event), but it's part of their mission statement as a company and what gives them the most profit to keep League afloat.

Jerry SeinfeId2 votes

Jayce vs Jinx

?????????? [sg-lux-2]

have we been playing the same game? If anyone Jinx' rival is Vi...

edit: on a side note i'd rather not have dawnbringer leona vs nightbringer Diana. Didn't like the dawnbringer theme that much and i'd much rather have a bruiser/berserker/warrior style skin for leona instead of what will probably be some defender style skin.

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

It's called brainstorming, and vi doesn't really fit Dawnbringer themematically, and also THEY ALREADY HAVE A DEFENDER LEONA SKIN she needs a legendary skin [sg-lulu]

GreenLore2 votes

Well then what about Jayce vs Viktor?

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

I like that*[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]*

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

And neither does jinx. Nice brainstorm btw, naming a number of established rivalries and then bring up your new idea in the middel of it.

"[sg-lulu]"

Yes they have a defender skin for leona, pretty much every skin she has. As a bruiser Leona player i'm kinda done with those.

Ifneth2 votes

Yes! Explore every rivalry, including duo rivalries like Caitlyn and Vi vs Jinx and Ziggs, or triangle rivalries like Ashe/Sejuani/Lissandra. If company ambitions and player expectations were well-managed, then another rivalry could run quarterly. Here's a schedule

Month 1 Week One: Brainstorm alternative universes, to keep the rivalry's outcome from affecting the main universe, and choose a top few. Week Two: Develop the top alternative universes, adding initial character sketches and plotlines. Week Three: Choose one alternate universe, draw its new skins, and write its starting and two ending plotlines. Week Four: Review the alternate universe, plotlines, and skins for quality and consistency.

Month 2 Week One: Brainstorm the missions for each faction and choose a top few mission trees like you did for alternate universes. Week Two: Playtest all the missions from all the trees in soloqueue and pick the best tree and missions. Week Three: Put every great mission possible from other trees into the chosen tree and create its icons, rewards, and lore. Week Four: Review the new content and playtest the missions.

Month 3 Week One: Combine the lore content from Month 1 with the gameplay content from Month 2 into a playable product Week Two: Hire gamebreakers and a focus group to expose bugs, pain points, and disappointments; and correct the game accordingly. Week Three: Add minor features, quality of life improvements, and lore details to the product to polish the product. Week Four: A second round of gamebreaking and focus grouping, with only tiny and safe corrections allowed. Then release!

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

Also before anyone gets the wrong idea, I'm not against the yasuo vs Riven, I'm just wondering why them in particular. When their rivalry is kind of implied more than outright said. I'd be totally fine seeing Garen vs Darius or whatever but preferably someone who doesn't have a awesome skin (Dunk master Darius kind of the best Darius skin)

GenoXx1 votes

Money

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

So you think no one would go for something like Dawnbringer Leona or you saying that yasuo and Riven super popular?

GenoXx1 votes

Both. Riot realyl just made those skins because of popularity. But now since the skin line is a thing now, leona would be bought.

ahferroin71 votes

FWIW, Kayle and Morgana used to be a much bigger thing, and Leona and Diana are in a kind of uncertain spot right now (the individuals obviously have something against each other, but the aspects are kind of in limbo).

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

Tbh I think Morgana needs a vgu, not a rework but if I say walking animation and Morgana I think the point is made.

ahferroin71 votes

I would say it's mostly a visual issue, not really a gameplay update that she needs. Her kit does a good job of fitting into a niche that most others can't really fill, and the generality of it gives her a lot of flexibility (you can be a glass cannon mage, you can be a support, and you can also be a tank). Other than her passive that is, I wish it was a bit more quantifiably useful without just tacking on stats.

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

{quoted}

I would say it's mostly a visual issue, not really a gameplay update that she needs. Her kit does a good job of fitting into a niche that most others can't really fill, and the generality of it gives her a lot of flexibility (you can be a glass cannon mage, you can be a support, and you can also be a tank). Other than her passive that is, I wish it was a bit more quantifiably useful without just tacking on stats.

. Unless you factor in Karma who has a shield with a lower CD, cc, damage, Annie should and her shield actually blocks damage from the enemy adc, a spell shield is nice but why does it only block magic damage. And why does she play nothing like her lore describes? I like having a morg on the team, but aside from cc her kit isn't the best at keeping an adc alive, they won't be cc- o it's like an 18 second CD? And Leona's q is 6 seconds? Nvm

ahferroin71 votes

Karma's also not viable as a tank, and her shield is significantly less useful against enemies with hard CC. Morg is insane against Leona, Blitzcrank, Nautilus, and Thresh because her shield functionally negates their entire kit (If you're ADC is sticking around where a Leona can engage on them again immediately, then they're probably screwed anyway (because they're either an idiot, or there's more of the enemy team involved, so the comparison there has minimal relevance). As far Morg's E only blocking magic damage, it is a spell shield (I'd argue the lack of consistency isn't that it only blocks magic damage, but that it prevents obviously non-magical abilities from working).

As far as consistency with lore, very few champs are all that consistent with their lore (Ashe doesn't play much like a leader, Tryndamere usually does the exact opposite of what his lore implies, Ezreal's play doesn't really fit the Indiana Jones theme, Gragas doesn't really feel like a drunkard, Nasus' kit makes about as much sense as Morgana's in terms of lore, and the only things in TF's kit that fit his lore are his passive and his ult).

OFC, this is all irrelevant, as apparently Kayle and Morgana are both getting updates at some point Soon (TM).

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

{quoted}

Karma's also not viable as a tank, and her shield is significantly less useful against enemies with hard CC. Morg is insane against Leona, Blitzcrank, Nautilus, and Thresh because her shield functionally negates their entire kit (If you're ADC is sticking around where a Leona can engage on them again immediately, then they're probably screwed anyway (because they're either an idiot, or there's more of the enemy team involved, so the comparison there has minimal relevance). As far Morg's E only blocking magic damage, it is a spell shield (I'd argue the lack of consistency isn't that it only blocks magic damage, but that it prevents obviously non-magical abilities from working).

As far as consistency with lore, very few champs are all that consistent with their lore (Ashe doesn't play much like a leader, Tryndamere usually does the exact opposite of what his lore implies, Ezreal's play doesn't really fit the Indiana Jones theme, Gragas doesn't really feel like a drunkard, Nasus' kit makes about as much sense as Morgana's in terms of lore, and the only things in TF's kit that fit his lore are his passive and his ult).

OFC, this is all irrelevant, as apparently Kayle and Morgana are both getting updates at some point Soon (TM).

True but I feel like if the adc wanted a spell shield they'd take sivir, because her blocks and spells which makes black shield less of a spell shield and more of a magic damage+unstoppable effect, plus Lulu is cc shield and can build tanky but yeah can't wait for those reworks that will happen in like... A year or something, cuz first irelia, aatrox, akali...... #FOCUS RIOT

Infernape1 votes

$$$

Blaiz Fenix1 votes

Perfect. This is the answer.

CaptainAntiHeroz2 votes

I'm beginning to believe people are only reading the title... [slayer-jinx-unamused] Obviously money, but 99.9% sure that there are people who would buy a legendary skin for Morgana or Shen....

Infernape2 votes

And those people are nowhere near as numerous as Riven/Yasuo players. Riot tends to make high quality skins for popular champions.

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

You saying Shen hasn't come to popularity with the rise of Aftershock? [sg-lux-2] Or that Morgana isn't popular? Literally I see more Morgana picks than Zoe picks and everyone knows Zoe is busted. So I feel I'm missing the point or maybe there was miscommunication, so let me clarify. Yes the title is a question but it is rhetorical, more so the actual subject matter being why Riven and Yasuo are the only characters to get a huge versus event. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of Azir or xerath players, and a lot of Zed players, so why not make some sort of versus series of skins in general? Regardless of if it maintains the same skin theme (although I do like the Nightbringer and Dawnbringer skins) it would be nice to see.

Geneman2 votes

Im a xerath player, but i dont think many play xerath. He's always on the bottom on the popularity lists:( I'm waiting for a nice skin for him tho:D

Blaiz Fenix2 votes

But more people would buy one for Yasuo and Riven which is why they did it first.

Placentas2 votes

Morg needs VGU before she gets a legendary skin.

Linna Excel1 votes

I'd like to see a rematch, just so long as Riven wins this time.

Infernape3 votes

I just want my damn Order icon. I refuse to enchant that Chaos icon.

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

I'd play Riven more but for some reason I can't 3rd q over walls ever... [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Linna Excel1 votes

Yeah, I couldn't stand the chaos icon either.

TerraRising1 votes

It's all about money.

Both champs received Legendary-level skins with that event and Riot wanted to promote the hell out of them. What better way to advertise those skins (and allow Riot to make money on them) than a two-week special event through the client?

Yes, there are other rivalries that probably deserve something special. However, they probably won't unless there's some money to be made. This is especially important given the recent changes to Orange Essence drops.

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