"Ever wonder how you became an orphan?" (Camille VO)

SaltyToplaneGoat··34 votes·8,855 views

Oooohkay someone in our current cast might have some SERIOUS issues with our new champ...

My money is on Vi, the only Piltover/Zaun orphan I am aware of right now...

In the skin spotlight video it's after ~13:36

77 Comments

RiotAD Yuumi28 votes

juicy :3

Sharjo7 votes

I need a kitten, preferably a thermal one, to inquire about the finer details of Camille.

Also tell her she did a bang up job on Camille. Can't wait to see the full lore!

Zedex2 votes

You know something! We demand answers!

(Wait are you gypsylord with a new name)

The Blue Rajah2 votes

Yeah, he changed his name not too long ago to be less offensive.

Zedex1 votes

makes sense..But were gypsys actually offended?

The Lexer5 votes

No, but the groovies are now

rtbf22561824118 votes

Janna Isn't she an orphan aswell?

Fondling Gems2 votes

Sona* too IIRC

*spelling

rtbf2256182411 votes

What?

Fondling Gems1 votes

Sona*

rtbf2256182411 votes

Sona is from Ionia.

Fondling Gems1 votes

"Sona has no memories of her true parents. As an infant, she was found abandoned on the doorstep of an Ionian adoption house, nestled atop an ancient instrument in an exquisite case of unknown origins."

~Quoted from the first paragraph of her backstory on the Wiki


So Sona was an orphan. True it is unlikely she is related but I felt that it was appropriate to bring her up as she WAS adopted, so the quote could very well refer to her.

rtbf2256182411 votes

Yes but we're talking about orphans from Piltover or Zaun. Sona's outfit and her whole theme is Ionian plus Etwahl is definetly an Ionian weapon. Piltover and Zaun never cared about harmony. Everything is industrialized there.

If Etwahl had Hextech in it or some mechanical special properties then it would be appropriate to assume her parents could be from either of those regions.

If you are talking about orphans in general then you could just say Annie fits here aswell.

Fondling Gems1 votes

Then I would include Annie*. Since we don't know what champion she is referring to in that line every champion that is an orphan is a possibility. That is why I mentioned Sona. Is it likely? No. Does that mean you can dismiss the possibility? No.

*Edit: As Trylobyte mentioned Annie is not an orphan. My reply was simply to the case of light saying she was one, in which situation I would then mention her too.

rtbf2256182411 votes

Yeah but you're just trying to win the argument with something irrelevant given how the post itself is directed towards someone from Piltover/Zaun. For all we know, this could be directed at Mundo given we know nothing about his parents either regardless of how out of context it sounds.

Fondling Gems2 votes

Actually it is about Camille's voiceover line of "Ever wonder how you became an orphan?"

Does A-Sol only have lines relating to people from Targon? No. Does Ekko only talk to other Zaunites? No. Do you think Camille is only going to talk to people from where she is from? IDK, IDK how you think. You know what I think? No.

For the 3rd time, I do not think it is likely that she is talking to Sona. It wouldn't make sense from what we know about their lore as of now. That being said Riot has used champ lines in the past to hint at connections they have yet to make. A-Sol was calling Taric an aspect even before Taric got reworked, when he had absolutely nothing to do with either Targon or the Aspects.

However that does show that Riot has, in the recent past, used champion lines to hint of lore/changes that are yet to be revealed. We also know champions interact with other champions that are from different places. Therefore it is plausible though unlikely that she could be referring to Sona. As Sona is an orphan and we know nothing about the line other than that it is relating to an orphan.


You say I am trying to win an argument about something irrelevant. I am trying to make a perfectly reasonable point, not "win" an argument. If you don't know something for sure, but it is perfectly possible, then it can't be dismissed in a discussion about it. Technically it could be doctor mundo. It is incredibly unlikely but hey, there isn't any reason it couldn't be. Maybe it is a voiceline Riot added in for shits and giggles that never actually plays.

The thing is that you can't say, with 100% assurance, that it isn't one of those things. However they are unlikely enough, and out of line with Riot's normal actions enough, that we can safely say that it probably isn't directed at Mundo since it doesn't make sense. Is it a possibility? Sure. In a discussion is it progressive to bring it up? No.

Sona on the other hand is related. She is an official orphan, and we don't know what happened to her parents. It is still unlikely, but unlike Mundo it would make sense in the context of the line.


You are arguing that I shouldn't bring something up because it is unlikely. That isn't how discussions work. In proper discussion about a topic you bring up all the reasonable possibilities and discuss why they would, or wouldn't, work. If there was something like "We know Sona is an orphan but we already know who killed her parents" then it would be off the table as a reasonable possibility. However as we don't know that it is still perfectly plausible, though unlikely.

Yelling at a person for bringing up something just because it isn't as likely as other options, than calling it "irrelevant" with your only evidence being something that is only possible, not plausible, is honestly one of the rudest things I have seen. Discussions aren't about shutting peoples ideas down without considering them. They are about having a reasonable discussion of why they would, or wouldn't, work. Then comparing that to other possibilities to determine what seems most likely while keeping in mind that it is completely possible it has nothing to do with these. That is how you have a discussion. If you aren't willing to follow proper etiquette when having a discussion then I would rather not have a discussion with you. That being said if you are willing to put aside your attitude, be polite, and discuss in a reasonable way I would love to continue talking. Up to you my friend.

rtbf2256182411 votes

They do hint lore changes but i feel like lore is mostly stuck in time. The Freljord still hasn't done anything despite there being literal announcements of world domination from Lissandra and numerous hints at an "oncoming war" so i don't really get my hopes up for hype anymore. There's not delivery. I feel like they're just making more and more ground to build up conclusions from but that literally means they can't make conclusions at the same time.

Also i'm not yelling. You're making shit up now.

You're using the definition of a discussion as your shield? Really? I wasn't having a discussion with you, i told you off because you were running into my comment with something i was not talking about or not referring to at all. I don't care about Sona or Annie or whoever the hell, i was specifically talking about Piltovian/Zaunite characters. Special interactions don't normally appear out of someone's League.

In other words, you could say Rek'Sai is from Shurima too. Is she the key to defeat Xerath now?

Fondling Gems1 votes

Considering you were posting in a thread discussing the VO I was under the assumption you were willing to have a discussion. I was simply adding to your comment as it was the most relevant one I saw at the time. If you are offended by people adding to your comments I recommend not posting, as that is the purpose of the LoL boards.

Your original comment was simply listing Janna as a possible correlation due to Janna being an orphan. Saying my comment was out of place because Sona isn't from Zaun, despite not ever mentioning Zaun in your original comment, is not much different from saying your own comment is out of place as I did no differently from you.

W/E, you stated you have no interest in having a reasonable discussion so I guess ima just fuck off an find someone willing to discuss on what is that? Oh, right, the boards meant for discussion.

Anyways, have a nice day. Just because you aren't polite or very reasonable doesn't mean I won't wish you a nice day, just that your nice day is nowhere near mine. Good Bye.

rtbf2256182411 votes

Your comment seemed out of place to me because it seemed irrelevant. Simple as that.

I stated i wasn't discussing that because i wasn't interested in other characters outside Piltover or Zaun.

your nice day is nowhere near mine.

Nice insult. The very idea that you're wasting time here already shows your standards. Could just simplify it to a shorter reply if you actually didn't care.

Fondling Gems1 votes

Perhaps I do care. I just don't feel like having a discussion with someone who says they don't want to have a discussion. It wasn't much of an insult because I didn't mean it in a very insulting way. I DO hope you have had a nice day. I was simply mentioning that I don't want it to have anything to do with my day for the reason mentioned above.

You also didn't mention you weren't interested in characters outside of Piltover or Zaun until after my original comment, which was all I had to go off of when posting.

rtbf2256182411 votes

Good, so don't.


Uhm..okay?


I also didn't mention what my days are like. Regardless, bye and have a nice day then i guess.

Trylobyte1 votes

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Then I would include Annie. Since we don't know what champion she is referring to in that line every champion that is an orphan is a possibility. That is why I mentioned Sona. Is it likely? No. Does that mean you can dismiss the possibility? No.

Annie isn't an orphan. Her parents are warlocks who live outside Noxus after getting exiled.

Fondling Gems1 votes

I honestly know nothing about Annie's lore. Never even read it. My reply was in the context of Light saying "Blah blah Annie is an orphan too blah blah" to which I replied "Then I would include Annie." with the Then being of note as it hinges my statement on the truth of theirs.

That being said if you were just being nice and pointing it out thank you for the clarification. I will edit my post to make a note of it.

Trylobyte1 votes

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I honestly know nothing about Annie's lore. Never even read it. My reply was in the context of Light saying "Blah blah Annie is an orphan too blah blah" to which I replied "Then I would include Annie." with the Then being of note as it hinges my statement on the truth of theirs.

That being said if you were just being nice and pointing it out thank you for the clarification. I will edit my post to make a note of it.

Cheers, I was just pointing it out. She's one of the few champions whose parents are mentioned as being alive rather than dead.

GreenLore10 votes

Vi seems most likely with her mysterious past and no one who seems to remember her(I mean she has a tatoo on her face,so it shouldn't be hard for past family members to actually recognize her) It would actually explain how Vi ended up in Piltover in the first place(her parents likely trying to move from Zaun to Piltover,got killed by Camille,leaving Vi traumatized and alone on the streets)

SaltyToplaneGoat3 votes

I have a more different theory... see the other post I made down here. ^^

Vi was originally from Zaun, and part of a band of thugs who moved through both parts of the city mostly. Only when Cait took her in she actually started working there was when she became a "Piltie".

EndlessSorcerer6 votes

Vayne I just wanted to be Batman...

Kyubi Aedan1 votes

I know this is a joke but it's not possible. We clearly are told that Camille operates in Piltover and Zaun. Vayne is a Demacian.

Spice POWAH2 votes

"Because." "I'm." "BATMAN."

Mogarl5 votes

Zaun/Piltover champions who we know are orphaned Janna Non-Zaun/Piltover Champions who we know are orphaned Darius Draven MissFortune Sona Zed Vayne Champions with no family History Talon Vi

any other champions being an orphan would be an entirely new element to their story.

Edit to include Sona, Vi, Zed and to create a new section.

GreenLore5 votes

Vi grew up on the streets without any parents or memories of her past.

Considering that she has a tatoo right on her face it is very likely that her parents are dead,otherwise they would have recognized Vi.

Mogarl1 votes

The reason why I didn't include Vi is that Camille taunts with "Ever wonder how you became an orphan?" Vi wouldn't wonder because she has no knowledge of her parents ever being dead.

admittedly though if the quotes are alphabetized we know that the champions name is between Ryze and Viktor and of all champions listed this leaves Sona, Talon, Vayne, and Vi

so it looks like I may have to concede defeat. as the chances of her killing Talon's or Vayne's parents is slim. There is a small chance that she killed Sona's parents. Perhaps her parents were in some kind of Piltover scandal or Piltover runaway that couldn't be allowed to live outside the city, but again that seems unlikely.

GreenLore1 votes

Well Camille might not know about Vis memory loss and I guess that by now Vi figured out herself that she is most likely an orphan.

Umbra Ionia6 votes

Vayne and MF actually knows who killed their parents.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Isn't Zed an orphan as well?

DragonShea1 votes

{quoted}

Isn't Zed an orphan as well?

He is, He was taken in by Shen's dad.

Ralanr4 votes

I was thinking that as well! Can't be Ekko since he has parents.

But what if it's Jayce or Caitlyn (having her mom die)? It's likely Vi and Jinx, but still we have other possibilities.

SaltyToplaneGoat8 votes

Let me copy what I just put on my blog:

There is a line very late in her VO that goes like this: “Ever wonder how you became an orphan?”

Out of the entire champion cast of Piltover and Zaun, there is only ONE orphaned champion who grew up in the streets while at the same time having absolutely no memory prior the age of ~six: Vi.

Holy shit this might enforce my entire “super-soldier-project” headcanon. Very simple: some people in Zaun get into bio-modifications, probably with money from some Pilties who want more power in the secret rivaleries of the clans. Of course the establishment is not happy about someone trying to get that power and they send Camille to kill literally EVERY SINGLE PERSON CONNECTED TO THE EXPERIMENTS.

However, at least one subject could escape (or was potentially spared as Camille might have issues with killing a child): a natural born saboteur and mechanic with unnatural hair colors and a serial-number-like-tattoo, who also posesses more than average strenght and now suddenly sits on the streets with no clue what to do, and probably traumatized to the point that it has just forgotten everything before that point.

Oh and there is the possibility that there was another test subject, like a certain girl with blue her, equally over-average strenght and insane talents for weapons of all kinds, who might even be related to a certain pink haired subject…

I don't think it's about Jayce (was there even a mention of his parents?) or Caitlyn (who is no full orphan as her equippment was originally bought by her wealthy parents). The only one who has being orphaned as a relevant plot-aspect is Vi...

Supreme Senpai6913 votes

She has no memory prior to the age of 6? Vi in roman numerals is 6

Half life 3 confirmed?

Spice POWAH3 votes

If your theory is correct, then jinx could be a failed attempt at a super soldier and went crazy.

SaltyToplaneGoat3 votes

Why "failed"? She seems very efficient and effective if you ask me...

Spice POWAH1 votes

If she's part of an experiment, I think they'd want to control her, and she doesn't seem like she's having any of that.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Dunno, she's only wrecking havoc in Piltover from what it looks like.

As long as she is not attacking Zaun-areas that's enough control by the science-standards of the undercity ^^

HalfTangible2 votes

{quoted}

I was thinking that as well! Can't be Ekko since he has parents.

But what if it's Jayce or Caitlyn (having her mom die)? It's likely Vi and Jinx, but still we have other possibilities.

... Wait. Caitlyn. The person she's chasing is called 'C'. As in... Camille?

Unstoppable Monk4 votes

I really wish rito would put champion icons for the new releases out ahead of time, during their reveal phase.

FOR NOW, YOU LOOK AT A TREE PERSON ICON AND IMAGINE A BIGOT AGAINST ZAUN WITH SCISSORS AS FEET. <Ivern>

Scoroct2 votes

this made me laugh quite a bit, thank you

Oglaf2 votes

It is clearly DrMundo

Hrd2H1t1 votes

Maybe its Annie? Shes an orphan, I think.

Placentas6 votes

No she has 2 mage parents

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