What's The Difference Between Shurima and Mt. Targon Ascension? (Power wise)

Virgin Ray··5 votes·1,529 views

The main difference is that you turn into an animal of some sort in Shurima, and you keep your body in Mt. Targon. But in terms of power, which ascention would give you more power?

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Sharjo3 votes

Well it depends, one is magical transformation, the other is having a presence inside you from which you can draw powers. I'd wager that the Ascended of Shurima are more powerful because their human bodies are modified to suit the powers they were granted, where as the Aspects are effectively borrowing the powers from something within them that exists within the bounds of a mostly unmodified human body.

Overall because being an Aspect and Ascended are fundamentally different comparing them is flawed in and of itself.

Rito Staff1 votes

It's not flawed as you're not comparing two different foods, which answer as to which one is better would be a matter of taste (I hope that's well phrased).

But you can very well compare Aspects to Ascended power wise, because they're both in the same universe (and planet, and continent) so it's a matter seeing it happen.

Abyssphere2 votes

They're not at all related to one another. Taric's "ascension" isn't a magical thing, it's literally just his ascent up a mountain. You go to the top of Mount Targon and then a magical thing happens to you if you're chosen but it's not "ascension" at all.

The Deckowner2 votes

ascension of shurima is definitely more powerful, because it changes the life form of the ascendents. mt.targon's ascension simply allows the person to draw power from a powerdul being like hoe leona draw power from the sun.

GigglesO1 votes

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Which ascention would give you more power?

Well, just to take a stab at it, Mt. Targon tricked AurelionSol...

AurelionSol ~ "That whole practice of Ascension is adorably amusing, like a kitten trying to walk upright."

I'd say Targon is stronger.

Darnath2 votes

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Well, just to take a stab at it, Mt. Targon tricked AurelionSol...

AurelionSol ~ "That whole practice of Ascension is adorably amusing, like a kitten trying to walk upright."

I'd say Targon is stronger.

You dont count Aurelion Sol as Targon, he hates Targon and he could easily destroy all of them if he was free. He looks down to Targon much more.

A simple trick doesn't mean Targon is stronger.

Tesla Effect1 votes

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You dont count Aurelion Sol as Targon, he hates Targon and he could easily destroy all of them if he was free. He looks down to Targon much more.

A simple trick doesn't mean Targon is stronger.

He is allied with Mount Targon, though it was done without his consent.

Tesla Effect1 votes

Shuriman Ascension only tries to use the power of One Star. Mount Targon Ascension tries to use the power of countless stars, constellations, and probably even galaxies.

Sharjo5 votes

But where as one is effectively a being inhabiting a mortal body, the other is magical transformation of a human.

I would say the levels are similar but also kinda difficult to compare because the origin of the powers is different.

Ralanr1 votes

One is limited in form where the other is limited in power (I guess). Now if an ascended would become an aspect, they could potentially be the most powerful.

Sharjo1 votes

I suppose that depends on whether the Targonians would actually want to send one of their own to make an Ascended an Aspect. Doesn't help that there's a small, finite number of Ascended, so the chances of one of them becoming an Aspect are slim, since they'll be spending their days in Shurima, not Mount Targon. Course one of them might decide pilgrimage to Mount Targon is a good idea, but then there's also the possibility that an Ascended's body isn't compatible with the energies of the Targonians, so a merger like that isn't actually physically possible. Who knows how much the Ascended were altered by the Ascension ritual?

So many questions, and likely few answers, as this specific case has probably never occurred in the lore and might never occur.

Overlord Forte1 votes

Targon is the stronger power of the two. Shuriman Ascension is only using the power of one star (our sun), compared to the vast cosmos Targon itself has access to.

In time, it could be said Shuriman Ascension would be just as strong, but Shurima itself was undone. The Ascension ritual(s) will most likely never develop to a comparable point now.

Darnath2 votes

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Targon is the stronger power of the two. Shuriman Ascension is only using the power of one star (our sun), compared to the vast cosmos Targon itself has access to.

In time, it could be said Shuriman Ascension would be just as strong, but Shurima itself was undone. The Ascension ritual(s) will most likely never develop to a comparable point now.

Too strong, that's why Diana got bleed by voidborns and Leona was nearly beaten by simple human bandits. I'm not even saying Pantheon's death with accidently.

Plain logic is not useful. Targon uses power of cosmos, Shuriman Ascendeds use their magics with combine of sun power. You dont exactly get ascended just because of '' sun ''. It's just a tool, like how you need '' frog leg or goat skull '' for a black magic. You use it but you dont get the power of black spell by those things.

Overlord Forte1 votes

The real curiosity is why these aspects of Targon need human vessels, if at all. In a strict power scale, a human shell is a downgrade, so there is some limiter at work here we can't see. Azir being comparable to a full aspect of Targon seems comical to me, particularly as the Targonians managed to ensnare Aurelion Sol.

Darnath1 votes

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The real curiosity is why these aspects of Targon need human vessels, if at all. In a strict power scale, a human shell is a downgrade, so there is some limiter at work here we can't see. Azir being comparable to a full aspect of Targon seems comical to me, particularly as the Targonians managed to ensnare Aurelion Sol.

Mordekaiser got shattered by humans a lot times but it doesn't mean a single human is more powerful than Mordekaiser. Targorians made a trick and imprisoned him. Imprisoning an vast entity means your spell is strong, not much.

Kodyack1 votes

Aureilion states that Targon's magic is crude but potent

he makes fun of ascension, not even giving it the benifit of being potent

by the logic of Aurelion being the most powerful being (so far that we know of, perhaps competing with bard and kidred as they are also, aparently, cosmic powers) and the best view on this, the Aspects are stronger than the Ascended.

interestingly enough though, what IS an aspect? apparently pantheon is the aspect of war, but he's also no longer himself as he lost his body to that power as it took him over, but Taric and Leona are still themselves most likely? it's complicated.

there's not really a way to answer it without a direct statement, though I'm in support of Targon.

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