Yasuo and Riven romance thread

Sujiren·Jul 4, 2017·3 votes·2,765 views

I know they are supposed to be rivals, but the ending of their battle comic made me think perhaps there is more?

56 Comments

FasmodeyJul 5, 20174 votes

I'm searching for ''we don't need sexuality in LoL'' people.

TyrekGoldenspearJul 5, 20171 votes

Why so?

FasmodeyJul 5, 20174 votes

Because It's main argument for gay champion threads.

Though I never have seen this argument on straight pairings.

I love it.

TyrekGoldenspearJul 5, 20171 votes

Probably becuase "sexuality" wasn't even a concept/widely used word until the whole lbgt thing became a thing.

FasmodeyJul 5, 20174 votes

You confuse sexuality and sexual orientation.

Sexuality is not LGBT thing.

And we both are pretty sure It is not the reason.

NylisaJul 5, 20172 votes

i've always wanted to see things happen between Irelia and riven as what they have in common and reason they would end up together is no less than what riven and Yasuo have.in fact if riven actually did kill Yasuo's master and ruined his life its more reason for them not to get together at all. she basically ruined his entire existence he would just close his eyes on all of it? that would make me question his character!

when i read your comment it reminded me of how i was shut down badly when i brought up Irelia x riven thing. and when i tried to argue it , it was pointed out to me that the board is no place for having such discussions ^

FasmodeyJul 5, 20173 votes

It is not just boards, but community as whole. People try their best to have argues that will not backfire against them without notice of how hypocrite they are.

Be consistent and bring your retarded argue on every sexually related thread. Otherwise you become hypocrite, homophobic and coward due to not having enough courage for advocating your actual thoughts (being against LGBTQ+).

You may not believe me but there are people that I have seen only on gay issues related threads lmao. It may sound '' why not? '', problem is, I'm a really active member of Story, Art & Sound. This board is actually the only board I care. But even for a person like me, It is shocking to see new people in those threads.

People think I care about these threads a lot. I don't think give a damn for 99.9% of shippings. My problem is these people. I enter this threads to only see these people. Not surprised.

TyrekGoldenspearJul 5, 20172 votes

Case you haven't noticed, there is backlash against every ship on the LoL fandom, even the ones supported by Riot.

You only choose to focus on the gay ships.

NylisaJul 5, 20171 votes

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Case you haven't noticed, there is backlash against every ship on the LoL fandom, even the ones supported by Riot.

precisely! and the way i see it riot doesn't want to disappoint its fans.

FasmodeyJul 5, 20173 votes

There are ways to be against them though?

Like having actual argues against a ship is different than saying ''We don't need sexuality, okeh?''

If you ship Garen x Darius, I'm gonna be against it. Do you really think I ship them even though both are attractive? You may think I'm all about gay shipping (you're so wrong there if you are), but my problem is not shipping.

Most of community doesn't like Zac x Riven because It has no sense. We're good there.

But when people ship Diana x Leona, ''we don't need sexuality'' is a argue high likely will be pointed, and that shit gives me Ebola.

It doesn't happen on Yasuo x Riven, people just make good argues against them that are not ''we don't sexuality '' level argues.

TyrekGoldenspearJul 5, 20171 votes

And you still did not get mine.

There will be backlash against very ship. Deal with the fact that there will be backlash against gay ships too. Just like every other ship.

And i really don't care what you think is a legit argument.

FasmodeyJul 5, 20171 votes

No It is not. It is not even argument.

My problem is not even backlash you think. Just being against a ship for sake of It is gay pairing. And those people being hypocrite. That's it.

TyrekGoldenspearJul 5, 20172 votes

You say hypocrite because you make the mistake of thinking that all romantic pairings, regardless of alignment, are the same.

They aren't.

FasmodeyJul 5, 20172 votes

No I say hypocrite because these people never bring this argument in straight shipping threads and always bring in gay issues related threads.

People are usually afraid of to create gay pairing threads and these threads are far rarer than straight pairings because they know they will be downvoted to oblivion.

For that reason that retarded argument usually comes on ''Why don't we have gay champion?'' threads, not gay shipping.

Whatever, this conversation has started to be pointless, as we are not going to have any result. You have your opinion, I have mine.

TyrekGoldenspearJul 5, 20171 votes

Hmm. Fair point.

Have a good afternoon mate.

Hope you become a vet like you wanted.

FasmodeyJul 5, 20171 votes

Thanks a lot! Here it is evening btw. :p Have the best afternoon.

I hope I become, what is your future job, or current? (surprised that you remember)

TyrekGoldenspearJul 5, 20171 votes

In college for Software Engineering. Gonna be a certfied computer whiz lel.

And I remember cuz I make it my business to remember humanizing details of peeps I meet online. ^^

Civil convos are waaay easier when you know the person on the other end is human like you.

FasmodeyJul 5, 20171 votes

Oh, I always have found Software complicated af. It is beyond me. Have respect.

But can't deny It was one of my dreams when I was kid, because I loved computers at this time, due to games. I thought It would easy and fun as games. Never been that wrong haha.

Genetic is match of software in biology IMO. An organism has its rules, like a computer does. And sometimes those rules get broken, corrupted. We study them, you and I.

Opposite jobs with significant similarities.

Btw, I remember many players I argue in this boards.

You, Sharjo, GreenLore, Stars Shaper, Ebonmaw Dragon, Ralanr are people I argue the most in this board. There are extremely likely people I forgot though but yeah, they are at least on the top of list.

NylisaJul 5, 20171 votes

riot has been pointing out since 2013 that they want a diverse universe that everyone can relate to , regardless of gender , orientation and other things and its in their agenda to put that into motion,** while **they trying their best to keep all the fans happy without stomping some other people's ideas/fictions and wishes. hence why half the time sexuality and romance is just pointed out but not confirmed. they want us to know that its there and its a possibility but some others might not like it so we gotta respect those fans too.

but i guess that some people missing the point that a diverse universe means they are going to see things that are not to their taste.its like they are on full defensive mode and ready to bring an argument in a subject they feel sensitive to and the results would be what you just mentioned about seen some people only in certain topics.

TyrekGoldenspearJul 5, 20171 votes

See that is why I don't ship Yas and Riven.

But I have yet to see a real reason for Irelia to even be interested in Riven. Gay ship aside, what is the chemistry between them? Why should they be shipped? Irelia doesn't even have much of a personality becuase she has no real lore yet. And "having things in common" makes for friends, not necessarily romantic pairings.

NylisaJul 5, 20171 votes

exactly, when i see a ship like Riven and Yas i ask myself exactly the same questions and when i come to absolutely no solid reason for them i put it on fans imaginations and desires and things they like to see. because i see no original point to state that riot was the one who gave people the idea of riven and yas , and this idea was originally created by fans themselves. but the reason my idea was shut down was because of the "gay" part that much im almost sure according to the discussions that happened after it.

i again asked myself why that ship is more accepted and desired by fans than the ones i had in my mind. to me they sit on same position of "making sense" maybe its because of the "gay" part? maybe because people see no connection between the two? if not then how come same group of people pointed out that riv x yas would work?

but back to your question , i always wanted such a thing to happen but i know its very unlikely unless riot decides that riven become the "anchor" in irelia's story that give shapes to her and her personality so i saw it as a possibility.it was the reason i pick irelia specifically and not any other champion , cause due to her story , her convictions , little things we know about her.

i actually had no reason to support "why they would make sense" because i created that reason as fiction based d the things i knew about her.since irelia had the most... fertile ground to work on, she is unshaped and not fully known so the different possibilities of her being close to riven are there. but a character like yasuo we deeply know , there are things we seen about him things he done and say , agendas he has that is in conflict with most "romantic" ideas i see around fandom.

NylisaJul 5, 20171 votes

also if i might add , in my fiction , Irelia was the one who thought Riven how to control and use her Ki :D

RalanrJul 5, 20171 votes

That's only because it's used against people asking for gay champions for the sake of having gay champions.

Imo if Riot wanted to say a champion was gay, they should do it similar to what Blizzard did with Tracer.

FasmodeyJul 5, 20171 votes

Imo if Riot wanted to say a champion was gay, they should do it similar to what Blizzard did with Tracer.

That should be actual argument to people who want gay champions for sake. Not ''we don't need sexuality in LoL''.

RalanrJul 5, 20171 votes

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That should be actual argument to people who want gay champions for sake. Not ''we don't need sexuality in LoL''.

That is the argument. At least that's what it is whenever this topic comes up (and I'm in those topics often).

No offense, but it feels like you're oversimplifying it.

FasmodeyJul 5, 20171 votes

Ah, maybe. Maybe I'm way oversimplifying it but I don't know how can I shorten an argument that is without defined word. It is the shortest way to descript an idea by me.

Like ''We don't need sexuality in LoL'' is ofc not that short argument for many (but trust me, there are people use this argument exactly like this, reddit has good examples). Still though, point is same. Some people really say sexuality is not needed. And I never have seen it in straight themed threads.

RalanrJul 5, 20171 votes

Well frankly they are both correct and incorrect. We don't need sexuality if it is the only thing that defines their character. Characters can get away with being characters without revealing their sexuality or just not having one. Darius's sexuality isn't important to his character, rather his motivations for a better Noxus and what he's willing to do is.

Though this brings up the elephant in the room: Lucian whose driving force is to free his wife from eternal suffering at Thresh. Sexuality and romance are big points to his character, but they are not the only things that make him as he would have gone after Thresh eventually at some point after better repairing and proper mourning over Senna. Lucian's character is not just the man who lost a wife, but a man who seeks to purge the wicked and has been hardened by the loss of his wife. Sexuality is important there, but it isn't his sole trait.

Then we have the other elephant: Rakan who's entire motivation is connected to Xayah. Though despite his love for her, she does not define him. She's not why he's quirky and loud, that's him on his own.

When people argue "We don't need sexuality in league" against gay characters, they want to actively avoid a character who is saying, "Have I reminded you that I am gay today?" because they feel it's just a cheap way to "diversify" the cast. And some countries are not a fan of homosexuality still.

Which again is why I think Blizzard did Tracer's sexuality reveal perfectly.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7679135/Screen_Shot_2016_12_20_at_1.35.00_PM.png

Tracer was already a well known character by this point, but we got at least some look into her personal life in this comic. The comic details her trying to find a present for someone, but we aren't even told the gender as the comic goes along. Then we get treated to those last two pages, and casually it's revealed that Tracer is gay/bi.

I like this because it's not making a big deal out of this information that so many other people still think is the way to go for this stuff. It's showing that homosexuality is something normal now, which is something that a lot of people in the LGBT community have been fighting for. They don't want to be seen as special, they want to be seen as normal.

If we had a gay champion, I don't want them being gay to be their main defining trait. That just cheapens their character.

FasmodeyJul 5, 20171 votes

First, that's what most of LGBT people want. When people open a discussion about future gay character, they don't mean, ''whatever you do Riot, end up next champion lore update or release with homosexuality''.

Second, I don't like sexuality requirement to define a character. Why wouldn't Darius have sexual interest? Isn't he human? Isn't he an organism even before being a soldier?

Darius extremely likely have sexual interest if we exclude his possibility to be asexual. And clarifying it wouldn't be significantly different than knowing Illaoi's mangos or Gangplank's oranges.

I agree Blizzard has made a good job. And yes, that's what most of LGBT people want. A worthy storytelling, rather than making gay for fuck sake.

But even if they don't, ''Sexuality is not needed in LoL'' is not a legit argument to that action. Many things are not needed, including lore. But somethings are not needed to be make world a better, more interesting and fun place. You can say ''Why the fuck did you make a champion gay for being gay? Riot, you suck'' though.

RalanrJul 5, 20171 votes

Well Darius's sexuality isn't important to his character goal or arc. For all we know, Darius is gay. It doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme of his goal though so it wouldn't be said often.

FasmodeyJul 5, 20171 votes

Darius is gay

You mean he isn't?

And yes, I know. It is not important. You actually don't have to say that trillion times. :D

But stories don't require for things to be important. I mean, many descriptions in novels are not important. Do they make stories better? Absolutely. But are they needed? No.

Darius' sexuality is not important but makes champion much more alive and realistic. He can exist without it, be interesting, relevant and worthy. But if Riot ever decided to make Darius sexually clarified, It would add meaning.

Not saying It should be descripted, he is fine without that anyway. I hope you get the point.

RalanrJul 5, 20171 votes

That's what I've been trying to get across...

FasmodeyJul 5, 20171 votes

Sorry for the misunderstood then.

NylisaJul 5, 20171 votes

you make great deal of sense,in general a justification of a pairing should be beyond simple reasons such as

they look cute together they have alot in common they both use same techniques they are both blondes they live in same area

"we need gay couples" is no different from that and it has nothing to do with supporting different sexual orientations which i think was what Fasmodey trying to talk about here , he got the sense that some people just go against it simply because they dont like the "gay" part which i cant say if he is right about or wrong i just know those kind of people do exist (as a gay who lives in Russia i know this for sure) so he might be right i wasn't there.

back to the topic at hand one of rioters who fueled the idea of Riv x Yas was RiotRansom im not sure if he is still in the team but he made some unprofessional mistakes that a writer should not make. he said that "it would be a great fanservice"or "because they have a lot in common" regarding Riv x yas and when someone replied to that topic and pointed out taking up this strategy is a mistake and it can make the story cheap , they edited their post into something else! ( it was 2013 i still remember that day and i can screenshot it if you like to)

the other mistake they made was that they openly stated they read but then ignore angry criticism regarding their work. regardless of how angry or calm the criticism is , ignoring a fan isnt the way!

but those days are passed and it seems like riot do not make these sort of mistakes anymore. and i said this many times on different topics , they stated: we wont pair champions just for the sake of pairing and it has to play a great role in their story and development. if those reasons exist or will be created , that remains to be seen but if it means it will change who the characters are then that wont sit well with fans.

Stars ShaperJul 4, 20173 votes

The fact that they might end up lovey dovey has been hinted a lot by Riot but never made clear.

NylisaJul 4, 20171 votes

characters specifically or these skins? cause i've never found any indications by riot that they are connected in that way in any way other than these skins. all of it is been fan fiction. if you google it too the first few pages of result will be wattpad links xD

Stars ShaperJul 5, 20171 votes

Both. The skins have some sort of romantic tragedy in them if you check the dialogues. For the basic characters, the guy who wrote Yasuo and Zac characters commissioned this: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Riven-Yasuo-Ramen-Daaaaaaaaaaaate-447891180

NylisaJul 5, 20171 votes

yes but thats not an official artwork nor part of lore its just another fan art. its not acknowledged by riot . in fact this is the first time i see this and i use to dig a lot around Riven's lore before.

sorry but its no official statement or proof he just stated :

"Would love to see a sketch of Riven and Yasuo on a ramen date, with Riven leaning in close to light the cigarette in Yasuo's mouth. Obviously, there is some unspoken tension in this moment."

if you check the artist deviant art page it's full of artworks like this, that artist is been doing riven x yasuo fanarts regardless (there is also riven x talon in there)

also reading up on RiotRansom statements in the past i came across this :

" As Ive said earlier, if it were up to me, we would pair off all the champions into couples, and then there would be no reason for all this fighting! A prosperous (and romantic!) peace would descend over Runeterra, and League of Legends would become a game about making babies, not about killing people to obtain gold, and then buying items with that gold to kill even more people! Madness!"

that kinda explains why this would happen!

Stars ShaperJul 5, 20172 votes

That's why I always said "hinted and not made clear (if there is indeed or not)".

What Riot officially said as Riot is that Yasuo won't just jump attacking her but would rather try to talk/have a conversation with her. I guess that Riot generally won't trigger ships at all unless it's a thing ala Ashe and Tryndamere or Rakan and Xayah. The art just shows that some of the Rioters like the chance of them get close enough.

NylisaJul 5, 20171 votes

thats a fair point that i clearly missed ,thanks for clarifying it. and yes it would make sense that they keep all options open. as i said in another post , there are fans who want this to happen and people who doesn't so make sense to do something that doesn't make either side disappointed.

according to RiotRansom even Riven x Irelia is a possibility. all the possibilities and options are there just not confirmed and decided.

NylisaJul 5, 20171 votes

but also what i forgot to mention is , this wasn't hinted in the actual lore like it was with kat x garen , or some other characters thats why i said this thing was never part of the original lore. because things like , talon x riven , irelia x riven , quinn x jarvan , jarvan x shyvanna etc is also been hinted at by riot outside their lores but not in it. so the possibilities of them actually being a thing is less than the ones that was part of the game/lore.

Stars ShaperJul 5, 20172 votes

We'll know more when they actually meet ^^

Camille FerrøsJul 4, 20172 votes

I got the same impression.

LimrickJul 4, 20172 votes

I think it's implied that the skins at least were lovers at some point, they talk to each other like they've been intimate in the past, even when they say that they want to murder the other.

TyrekGoldenspearJul 5, 20172 votes

Even if there was, Riven kinda got impaled in the end anyway. Any romance would quickly die under those conditions of the relationship.