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Diana's updated lore

Camille Ferrøs··6 votes·1,022 views

So for a year or two I main Diana because of her (old)lore.Her old lore made her feel so special she the one chosen by the moon.How she begged the moon,and the moon responding back.The way her old lore ended with her killing the elders and going after the chosen of the sun felt so satisfying and cool.Diana felt like the one chosen from the moon the one and only.And now the new lore with Targon.So Diana climbed the mountain and on her way back she found a lunari cave with the armor and when she touched it she got the power and knowledge..of all other aspects of the moon...then she got back to the solari and talked to the elders about what she discovered and killed them also Leona was there the whole time the chosen of the sun.And nothing big happened between the sun and moon in a one place at the same time(im not saying that something needed to happen but it kinda felt meh)and she runs away.I kinda liked her old lore waaaay more the lore made Diana special the one chosen of the moon now she is one of many aspects of the moon....I think Diana's old lore was better then this new one..

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Warlord Dienekes6 votes

Yeah, when the Targon retcon happened there were quite a few unhappy people. Hell, I’m one of them. They’re the reason I joined the board because I thought the lore managed to completely miss the point in every way with the three original Targon champs. Which is in a way almost impressive.

Diana who’s main characteristics were her unhappy life and drive for knowledge had all her agency stripped from her. So that even her murders come across as an unhappy accident rather than lashing out against a lifelong abuser.

Leona’s entire personality arc is backwards. She gets picked to be Solari because she was noble and trusting. Which somehow changed her into a murder zealot, and then after the Elder’s die. She gets possessed and decides she no longer wants to be a murder zealot. Despite her flavor lore showing the Aspect of the Sun inside her is kind of a violent one.

Wouldn’t it have made more sense to have her be pure and noble and all that. Have her hesitate from the Elder’s order to kill Diana which allowed Diana to kill the elders. Leona would then blame herself for the Elder’s death so she starts taking murder zealot qualities. That makes way more sense as an arc.

Then there’s Pantheon. Who’s whole shtick was he was the true soldier the one from Targon that represents the normal people. He was also a Spartan. People played him because Spartans were awesome. So... they make him a body hoping space parasite that gets blown up by the star dragon like a bitch. At least Taric’s insult is completely accurate.

It all comes back to the space empire that got shoved into a setting that had no need for it. All the changes that were made were done to set up the characters to where they needed to be for the space empire story with Sol and all the rest, rather than as an expression and expansion of the original characters.

Dreamspitter4 votes

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It all comes back to the space empire that got shoved into a setting that had no need for it. All the changes that were made were done to set up the characters to where they needed to be for the space empire story with Sol and all the rest, rather than as an expression and expansion of the original characters.

Well....it feels kinda Halo like for some reason. Forerunners and stuff.

I've heard some folks say old characters only get lore updates, to support brand new characters.

Gave us some crazy cool art though

https://i.imgur.com/GfaEnOW.png

Johnny El Rojo5 votes

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Leona’s entire personality arc is backwards. She gets picked to be Solari because she was noble and trusting. Which somehow changed her into a murder zealot, and then after the Elder’s die. She gets possessed and decides she no longer wants to be a murder zealot. Despite her flavor lore showing the Aspect of the Sun inside her is kind of a violent one.

Wouldn’t it have made more sense to have her be pure and noble and all that. Have her hesitate from the Elder’s order to kill Diana which allowed Diana to kill the elders. Leona would then blame herself for the Elder’s death so she starts taking murder zealot qualities. That makes way more sense as an arc.

I'm gonna repost a comment I wrote in a similar discussion to expose how much I agree about you about Leona that, for me, was the one that had it the worst.

"I agree with you about Leona . In the old lore, she was a kind of character like Captain America or Superman. A beacon of hope for her society, while she inspired her people to better themselves, and value their worth as warriors not for whom they can kill, but for whom they can protect. Many believe the paragon type characters to be kind of flat, but... in the new lore? In the new lore, and also in some degree in the old one, the fact that the supossed "good guys" have some kind of dark side to them has become the norm and the typical. And because of that, the new Leona has become very typical and boring, and I think thas what they were trying to avoid when they changed her past and personality. But instead of making her more interesting, they made her more like the others.

Do you think Superman is boring? Do you think Captain America is boring? No. And for me, Leona felt like these kind of characters. Right now, still not knowing what they intend for Soraka , Braum is the only honest to god good person in the lore. And to be honest, but expected when having a writer from the grim dark Warhammer worlds, that's too few.

Paragons don't have to be boring. For me, it was what made the old Leona unique in the world of Runeterra. Her personality. The one she still shows in her character interactions. Not every character needs to pass through the grim dark filter. Leona worked just fine. And you can still have a lot to drama to her with her old lore. Maybe she is losing hope in her own people? Especially after seeing her old friend Pantheon becoming a monster. Maybe she only chased Diana to the top of the mountain out off duty, and instead of rage, with sadness in her heart from what had happened, and feeling guilty for not being able to stop it. There are a lot of directions you can go with the old her, Riot."

Talos of Altmora4 votes

Yeah, I have to agree with you on that. Although i won't call what old Diana did cool, it gave her a bit of depth, I've often said that new Diana was basicy handed everything, while old Diana suffered for her power.

Camille Ferrøs4 votes

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Yeah, I have to agree with you on that. Although i won't call what old Diana did cool, it gave her a bit of depth, I've often said that new Diana was basicy handed everything, while old Diana suffered for her power.

Yes though everything she went , at the end she got chosen by the moon.In the new one is kinda eh..

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO2 votes

She’s still special. She’s an aspect of the moon, they don’t just hand that shit out to anybody.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

That's circular reasoning though. Being an Aspect makes her special therefore she's special because she's an Aspect.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO2 votes

Bro what? If someone showed up with fucking moon powers and shit and Ì was some mountain peasant trying to scrape a living on one of the most depressing environments in Runeterra, I’d probably shit my pants. Diana’s lore is still virtually the same, it hits the same beats, but provides direction and an arc instead of zealotry and bloodlust.

If you’re referring to my reasoning, well we can infer that it takes a certain caliber of person to become a host for an aspect. The aspect likely searches for specific traits and characteristics. Therefor Diana can be concluded to have whatever traits the aspect of the moon decided to focus on.

Warlord Dienekes4 votes

We can infer whatever we want, from the page Diana is not a particularly special person except that she was given powers.

Take, Frodo and the One Ring. Frodo is special, not because he has the One Ring, but because he continuously put himself in harms way and volunteered to probably sacrifice his life and his sanity to destroy the Ring. That purity is why he became the Ring Bearer. Frodo is special, because of his personality and drive. The One Ring is just the powers and plot.

Diana was given her "One Ring" in the form of the Moon Aspect powers. Only her retold lore, she never really feels like she earns them. Old Diana took it upon herself to study, to search out lost cities and find what information she could. She was an active protagonist in her own story.

New Diana just sort of has stuff happen to her, until she gets her powers, and even then it's sort of implied the Moon powers have more than a hand on the wheel in what she does.

The Aspects themselves are so vague and utterly nonsensical that it makes their stories feel hollow. Why was Diana chosen? What qualities did she have that really set her apart? She had whatever vague traits that the Aspect thought was important. Maybe it was because she was double jointed in both her arms and knees? Who knows. All that matters is now she's chosen.

That's not fulfilling at all. Especially since it was easy to point out the admirable qualities that Diana had to make her the pick of the litter before.

As to her arc. Zealotry and bloodlust can be as fine an arc as any. Hell, starting the character low could be one hell of a way to build her back up. There's plenty to be mined there in watching how these chosen folk develop from hatred to learning to live together with two equal religions. That's a great story in and of itself.

As of now, she has direction: get more moon worshipers. But why? What does any of that matter? The Space Parasites aren't gods. Why would they need worshipers? What does that have to do with Sol or the Void? A bunch of people praying at a false god isn't going to do shit. It's direction, but the direction they're headed isn't actually going anywhere.

HonestJohnTheCon3 votes

The Targon update, honestly, half of it just doesn't seem complete. We don't know where Diana's going and we have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE what Pantheon or any of the Aspects want to do (other than stop the Void, but that doesn't explain much, everyone who knows about the Void bar Malz wants to stop it). Leona's goal is just "find Diana". Really? Pretty sure the Aspect of the Sun had bigger plans for you than that.

The Shadows Isles was a good example of a mysterious lore update done well. It's spooky, it's dark, and it's unclear, but we're at least given clear motives for everyone involved.

I'm hoping Zoe fills out the second half of the Targon lore so it isn't nonsensical. I'm not sure how accurate this will be, though, because she didn't interact with any Targonians AT ALL (unless you count Sol).

Warlord Dienekes3 votes

The problem is, I don't think there's a way to explain all these mysteries and inconsistencies without making the space parasites, and by extension their hosts look like pants on head morons.

HonestJohnTheCon2 votes

...can we just blame it on the Idiot Ball?

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

The decisions of an entire species?

And even if we could, that's usually seen as bad writing anyway.

Camille Ferrøs2 votes

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That's circular reasoning though. Being an Aspect makes her special therefore she's special because she's an Aspect.

With the new lore there isn't just one aspect of something there are so many across the universe Diana is just one on Runeterra...

GreenLore1 votes

Actually in the new lore Leona wasn't the chosen of the sun when Diana killed the elders,hence why there wasn't much interaction between them,she only became the chosen of the sun after Diana had killed the elders.

And there is only one aspect of the moon at a time,just like there was just one chosen of the moon in the old lore at a time(the old lore already confirmed that there was a previous person who was chosen by the sun,which likely means that there were other chosen of the moon before Diana)

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