The implications of memory-magic/A magic usable for an unthinkable weapon?

SaltyToplaneGoat··3 votes·625 views

There seems to be an element in the recent stories that strikes me as quite... unusual for a fantasy setting. Not exactly the matter THAT it occurs but the fact that we have had it so often. What I am talking about here is memory-magic, what we could see both in Garen's story and in Ahri's stories.

The tl,dr: memories can be stolen and/or absorbed, the person affected will often not notice anything missing by themselves, unless it would change their entire character over. Potentially it might even be possible to even IMPLANT FAKE MEMORIES. Seriously we're gonna go full sci-fi here at some point, and this would be too good of a story-idea to pass up for the writers, so we will see one like that in the future, probably in Zaun as that fits the "dark sci-fi vibes" of it.

But what worries me more is the existence of said magic in a world that was in a state of a constant magical world-war for most of its existence. Especially when you had world-runes clashing entire landscapes were changed overnight, even more so when people truly knowing what they were doing were using them. So using magic for war is the absolutely normal thing in this world.

However, what if you don't need to even fight the war? What if you could make all the enemy soldiers and civilians just FORGET THEIR OWN COUNTRY AND THE CLAIMS TO THEIR LAND? What if they would suddenly forget their entire ideology and culture? What if you could literally wipe out your own crimes from human history? What if you can plunder and pillage an entire nation, then use the mind wipe and no one will ever remember you were there or notice that something was even stolen, swear revenge or come after you? How could they ever prepare against a foe no one can remember to have ever fought against?

What I am talking about here is a powerful magical method to make the memory-drain into a crude-but-potent area-of-effect weapon.

And as we already know: people usually dont know when memories are stolen, especially when no one else remembers a single thing either. Entire kingdoms might have gotten "deleted" out of the Runeterran history at this point, and I am not sure if Bard would even intervene. He only comes when the fabric of reality is endangered, not when mankind screws itself over with "normal" magic once again.

Also: memories gotta go somewhere. Usually you have the drained and someone absorbing, either a person or the plants in Ahri's garden story. So is there in the world an entity or an artifact that holds the fragmented memories of potentially millions of people? What could you do with that? How powerful would that be if it was converted into raw magical power? Given that witches seem to draw them out for their own powers this convertion seems possible after all.

So somewhere in Runeterra there might be an artifact or being powerful enough to potentially blow up the entire world - or at least make a dent so massive everyone's gonna notice. And the worst part: there is no way to disprove this theory, because the point of the mind-drain is that no one remembers a darn thing.

I'm seriously curious how this story will go, also when looking at the whole "steal memories -> implant fakes" kinda thing.

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Epicurus3 votes

So that's what happened to the Meglings...

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Yepp. Could be possible.

Also, imagine you oppose a gigantic transnational magican organisation that managed to keep even superpowers in check with their powers... isnt this one of the only ways you could directly attack them with a chance of success? It's not just the Meglings... the Institute of War comes to mind as well...

Epicurus1 votes

All elements of the old lore are now canon again, but no one remembers them because of sorcerous amnesia. :P

In seriousness though, when Ahri, the Garden, and the Lady of the Stones were taking people's memories, it was a rather intimate procedure. Ahri gets up close and personal with her prey, and the plants need physical contact. Nothing exists that has the power to harvest memories from hundreds of people at once. And nothing has yet demonstrated the power to implant false memories.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

That is because in terms of magic Runeterra has devolved into stone age currently. Just compare Roman Empire Europe to Medival Europe. One was thousand years later, however there is no doubt which of the two had a higher level of technology and power.

Same thing applies to Runeterra, as the empires of old have long fallen and only small parts of the world, Piltover and Zaun, are showing some development. Just think of all the iceborn or shuriman artifacts (hello Ezreal) lying around! Now imagine if someone built such a thing powered by a world rune.

The very process of extrecting memories is possible. About the "how"... well, that's only a technicality from here.

And for the "input" thing... if there is a way out, there is a way in, just saying...

Krabohod1 votes

I have a theory that magic on Runterra differentiate between 4 kinds: Arcane magic, cosmic energies, spiritual magic (yordles, vastayans, spirit realm and etc.) and religious. I think only spiritual magic capable of changing memories. But it is very _intimate _ procedure as Epicurus said and i think no spiritual entity finds worldwide memory-change important.

But more on this theory later, I hope. I always wanted to make Loregasm like video about league

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Hmm I think arcane and cosmic are part of the same spectrum, just operating on very different power levels. Energy is energy, the form is relatively irrelevant. This is the power that flows from leylines and magical places for example, as it is different from my next category I'd like to call it "outside energy".

The other two can be seen as "soul energy", which can cover both the spiritual and the religious aspects, depending on where and how the energy ends up.

Obviously "Outside Energy" and "Soul Energy" are not exactly seperated, as one could be converted into the other: the witch using "soul energy" for her own gains. And taking in outside power and completly absorbing it would turn that into "soul energy" (see ascension-process)

And now the plot twist: what if the "outside energy" is just "soul energy", but radiated from higher beings? Like, cosmic energy coming from the sun would just be the "soul energy" of this celestial "being" - or the leylines of magic in Runeterra are just the "soul energy" of the planet, if we were to consider it a complex entity beyond our understanding.

Krabohod1 votes

First of all, i think religious magic and spiritual magic must be separated - there is a difference between Janna powers (which grows on peoples faith) and yordles magic (that based on the connection to spirit realm)

the point about similarity's between arcane magic and cosmic energy needs further investigation

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