Riot, since you're changing the lore, let's look at Taliyah (and Azir and Sivir).

LunSeiSleidee··2 votes·1,336 views

The idea that Yasuo was Taliyah's mentor isn't bad. The idea that Taliyah is now on a quest, a journey of discovery and growth, is great.

But here's the thing: Taliyah's rock-based powers are unexplained. They're just..... there.

Now let's look at Taliyah:

  • has an evident bird theme
  • controls rocks
  • is from Shurima

Then let's look at Azir:

  • has an evident bird theme
  • controls sand (broken rocks)
  • is from Shurima

It seems so logical to conclude that the explanation for Taliyah's unexplained stoneweaver powers is that she is actually a descendant of Azir. It also fits perfectly with how they both share the bird theme. And imagine the antagonism that could develop between Taliyah and her ancestor Azir.

Let's look at Sivir, now. No bird theme, no stone/sand powers, no particular relationship of antagonism or friendship towards Azir.

Since we're altering all the lore now, to the point of making big changes (see Warwick for example).... I think it's time to make Taliyah the descendant of Azir, therefore catching............. two birds with one stone.

As for Sivir, focus with her antagonism with Cassiopeia instead.

Sivir is already a badass, she's pretty much Xena. Taliyah is an everyday girl.... with the heritage of an ascended emperor.

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Ebonmaw Dragon4 votes

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It seems so logical to conclude that the explanation for Taliyahs unexplained stoneweaver powers is that she is actually a descendant of Azir.

The powers of Azir were gained AFER his death (when he resurrected, and Taliyah had already her powers before that), it would be REALLY illogical.

Ralanr2 votes

Taliyah isn't related to Azir by lineage. She's also just magically gifted, like Syndra and Lux.

LunSeiSleidee2 votes

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Taliyah isn't related to Azir by lineage. She's also just magically gifted, like Syndra and Lux.

I know, which is exactly why I proposed this lore change. How many random magically gifted girls who have powers just because they do, can the lore have?

Ralanr3 votes

Not many, but magic is rare for a reason.

Being born with magic is like being a mutant in x-men. It kinda just happens and it's rare. At least from what we know because we know very little about magic in Runeterra.

LunSeiSleidee1 votes

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Not many, but magic is rare for a reason.

Being born with magic is like being a mutant in x-men. It kinda just happens and it's rare. At least from what we know because we know very little about magic in Runeterra.

Fine.

Then let's make sure every character with unexplained supernatural magic powers got them because "it just happened". Solid writing right here.

Ralanr3 votes

Trust me man, I would love if Riot did an article on how magic works instead of it being another allegory for puberty.

LunSeiSleidee2 votes

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Trust me man, I would love if Riot did an article on how magic works instead of it being another allegory for puberty.

You're giving them too much credit on this. It may work in Taliyah's case, but Lux and Syndra? It's not even an allegory for puberty, it's just.... there. :/

Ralanr1 votes

Really? Because as until their lores are updated, they all gained magical powers in their younger years. For Lux it was at least a bit before going to military school.

Skelenth2 votes

Azir got those powers by ascension, which happened after Taliyahs birth.

LunSeiSleidee1 votes

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Azir got those powers by ascension, which happened after Taliyahs birth.

BEFORE Taliyah's birth, however.

Skelenth5 votes

No. Azir was resurrected, then ascended. That happened when Cassiopeia and Sivir went into the tomb of the emperors. Talyiah found out about his resurrection when she was send to Ionia with the Noxian troops, so it can not have happened before her birth.

LunSeiSleidee1 votes

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No. Azir was resurrected, then ascended. That happened when Cassiopeia and Sivir went into the tomb of the emperors. Talyiah found out about his resurrection when she was send to Ionia with the Noxian troops, so it can not have happened before her birth.

Azir was resurrected AFTER he was ascended, otherwise he couldn't have been resurrected since he'd have been a normal human.

I really don't understand why people are so much against this obvious lore change. Is it an hardon for Sivir?

Ralanr1 votes

Technically his ascension failed which lead to his death. Sivir's blood ended up resurrecting him and he in turned out her dying body in the healing pools. Then he got his ascension powers.

You can tell the difference because when he was resurrected he was just gold skinned (weird, but no apparent showcase of power) but after healing Sivir he transformed into the Birdman with all those bugs.

So technically Azir's ascension was after his resurrection. Plus Sivir is the only one who is said to be a descendent of Azir. In fact she is the last descendant of the ancient shuriman royal bloodline.

Taliyah's magic ability does seemingly have a strange origin. But she's not the only one who was born with magical powers (hers were a little late I guess). Syndra and Lux also qualify as naturally born mages, though they also improved their skills with practice. Taliyah is basically at the beginning of that path.

LunSeiSleidee1 votes

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Technically his ascension failed which lead to his death. Sivir's blood ended up resurrecting him and he in turned out her dying body in the healing pools. Then he got his ascension powers.

You can tell the difference because when he was resurrected he was just gold skinned (weird, but no apparent showcase of power) but after healing Sivir he transformed into the Birdman with all those bugs.

So technically Azir's ascension was after his resurrection. Plus Sivir is the only one who is said to be a descendent of Azir. In fact she is the last descendant of the ancient shuriman royal bloodline.

Taliyah's magic ability does seemingly have a strange origin. But she's not the only one who was born with magical powers (hers were a little late I guess). Syndra and Lux also qualify as naturally born mages, though they also improved their skills with practice. Taliyah is basically at the beginning of that path.

All I'm saying is, Sivir would be_ exactly the same character_ if she had no relation whatsoever to Azir.

Instead, making Taliyah the descendant of Azir would explain her design and her powers.

GreenLore1 votes

The thing is that Azir was pretty much the first champion of the new lore. Changing the story of the shurima event would basically start to retcon the new canon again,before they even finished the retcon and that would likely completely destroy any faith in the new lore.(not to mention that we got even more new lore for Shurima that builds upon this).

Janna mìd1 votes

[{quoted}] Since we're altering all the lore now, to the point of making big changes (see Warwick for example).... I think it's time to make Taliyah the descendant of Azir, therefore catching............. two birds with one stone.

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